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    • Magoose said:
    Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

    So we have some bad news.

    The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

    I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
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    TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

    To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

    I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

    I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

    I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

    I'll see you all around.

    With so many regards, Duke William Of.
     
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    • Schehera Zade said:
    There's also plenty of European influences as well throughout Star Wars and Makashi is even based off of Fencing. Frankly, this Kendo action is pretty pointless to take unless we nail it in one. Otherwise, we're just wasting an action.
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    Makashi came up in Star Wars because Count Dooku's actor Christopher Lee was a master fencer, no other reason.
     
    @MysteryCPU I want to support your plan, but before I do I would like to request that Distributing Deals be replaced with a Social, preferably the Scientology one. We don't really have anything to offer them and as such we might get a debuff or a weak deal, and to me it would be better business sense to come at them with a deal and The Way of the Dragon, rather than approach from nothing. Not to mention from a meta standpoint, the Arab Oil Embargo is ending in March so if we distribute the film in April or later, we'll have a lot more tickets thanks to lowered gas prices.
     
    Good point about the Oil Embargo. However, that would mean that distributing this turn is best as turns go through 2 months time. So, this is the March-April turn.

    A sudden influx of money or precipitous drop in gas prices feel like free spending money before people adapt to the new gas prices.

    As to why Kendo, others have pointed out the Eastern Martial Arts influence of Star Wars combat. And, honestly, I would not be opposed to learning fencing as well and, perhaps, compete in the Olympics as a fencer and boxer (kidding…for now :) ). Did not go for Kenjutsu given the rarity of actual Kenjutsu dojos even today.
     
    HanShot1st said:
    With the 15 million that Lucas has for the movie, can't he just hire an actual sword choreographer?
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    The original Star Wars movies (all three of them) had Bob Anderson as fight choreographer, who represented Great Britain in fencing at the 1952 Summer Olympics, before becoming President of the British Academy of Fencing and national coach for the British fencing team. From the 1950s to 1970s he combined his professional duties with work as a fight choreographer and sword master in the TV and film industry. He was known as 'the man who stabbed Errol Flynn' after slashing Flynn across the thigh with a 'live' sabre during filming of The Master of Ballantrae in 1953, and while the official story is that it was an accident there were rumours that Anderson did it deliberately to get Flynn to take the fight seriously and stop stuffing around. I OTL he really became known in Hollywood after working with Stanley Kubrick on Barry Lyndon in 1974 - one of the reasons I wanted to get Bruce into that movie, but according to Magoose it wasn't made in this timeline.

    Anderson wore the Vader costume and played Vader in the lightsabre fight scenes of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi - David Prowse played Vader during the lightsabre fight between Vader and Obi-wan in the first movie, which might be one of the reasons it looks so naff. Also, for those who are debating eastern vs Western sword styles in the movies, the fight scene in Cloud City in The Empire Strikes Back where Vader cuts Luke's hand off is a fencing technique known as 'a beat and a double' - and it's considered one of the best on film.
     
    CoreBrute said:
    Jedi/Sith are clearly inspired by Kurosawa Samurai movies, so it makes sense the sword fighting would be a Japanese style as opposed to European.
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    Schehera Zade said:
    There's also plenty of European influences as well throughout Star Wars and Makashi is even based off of Fencing. Frankly, this Kendo action is pretty pointless to take unless we nail it in one. Otherwise, we're just wasting an action.
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    MysteryCPU said:
    Did not go for Kenjutsu given the rarity of actual Kenjutsu dojos even today.
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    I think that, for our purposes, rather than trying to figure out Kendo by ourselves, one of the things we can do in the next few years before Star Wars' release is that, after we better establish ourselves as an Action Cinematographer, we should establish a Stunt School that not only reestablishes a HEMA School [assuming that A Truly Bizzare Adventure doesn't allow for timeline shenanigans and there isn't already one established in the ever distant past by Claudia Nerva] but also has a Kendo and Fencing curriculum to ease the burden of actually having to look for masters (and lower the DC), when we ourselves can take part of the curriculum.

    If we do that, I'd like to suggest that the Stunt School should be open to the general public outside of just LucasFilm employees and actors, so that A) we can have access to a larger talent pool of actors and martial artists, and B) as a way to keep underprivileged kids from getting in too much trouble with law enforcement or, if need be, their own family.

    Plus, can you imagine the number of Star Wars fans who'd flock to us in the hopes of learning how to fight with a lightsaber like in the movies?
    Chaeronea said:
    The original Star Wars movies (all three of them) had Bob Anderson as fight choreographer, who represented Great Britain in fencing at the 1952 Summer Olympics, before becoming President of the British Academy of Fencing and national coach for the British fencing team.
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    This too!
     
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    [X] Plan Purge the Scientologist
    -[X] Release Date: Star Wars OTL May 25, 1977
    -[X]The Best of Times, and the Swift of Times: Loretta has been really good to you, and frankly, you think she's your best friend on set besides Alan. See what she thinks about what is going on. DC: 20
    -[X]Preproduction (The Locations): Time to scout out locations you can use. Since George has several ideas that would require shooting on Location) DC:10
    -[X]Preproduction (Mikes's Mad Scheme): So Mike has basically come to you and said this "I think we can cause a little chaos at Universal, and get Steve something he desperately needs. His Big Break, and a way out of his contract early." DC: 40
    -[X]Importing Foreign Films: So… you may have a way to get some films showing in American Theaters. Maybe you can go to other foreign film industries and… well, ask to distribute their films. Sure many of those foreign film companies never expected an American company to distribute their films in the US… but maybe you can get money without producing them. (Linetail where you try to get films from, and if there are any specific films, line tail them below) DC: ???
    --[X] Hong Kong: The Way of the Dragon
    -[X]Hire an Accountant: You are not doing your taxes, let a professional do it DC: 0
    -[X]The Beauty of Health: Carrie came to you and asked you if she looked beautiful. You were… very surprised when she said that. DC: 20
    -[X]Fuck off Scientologists!: So… a couple of your neighbors and John, have been harassed by the Church of Scientology… And they are also trespassing on your property. DC:???
    -[X]Action Directing: It seems the town has been talking about how much of a beast you are at just being a stunt person. In fact, they knew you were a student of Bruce Lee. And they think that means you know how to stage and block a fight? Maybe you can DC? ???

    There are a couple of gripes I have with the two established plans so I just thought I'd present my own alternative. I would have posted a plan earlier but I never got a response back on how casting works so I figure I should probably just hold off for now. In terms of the plan, Loretta for some nice fluff to seal up Season 3. Locations to strengthen the Foundations and lock down the setting. Help out Steve and follow Mike since he's been super helpful. Get Way of the Dragon with the import bonus. Get as many tax breaks as we can to fund more movies and charity. Help Carrie with self-esteem. Flip off scientology to save John. Do some action directing to prep for Star Wars.

    I don't think we need to do kendo or fencing just yet until we cast our Vader and Obi-wan and lock down just what type of sword fights we are gonna have, not to mention Bob Anderson seemed pretty competent on his own. I would also like to make sure ILM is in top shape before we focus on swordplay so we can add as much Force powers into the fight as we can.
     
    Kaiser Chris said:
    I don't think we need to do kendo or fencing just yet until we cast our Vader and Obi-wan and lock down just what type of sword fights we are gonna have
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    Why choose? It's a big galaxy, there are different saber styles. We could have Obi Wan use a Kendo based style, where he uses speed and skill to compensate for age when older, and when he's younger uses his speed to overwhelm his enemies quickly but non-fatally. Vader uses a fencing style mixed with raw power, using his size and strength in combination with surprising technical skill to take control and dominate his opponents. Luke could use a more German European style based on blocking, using two hands, but capable of going to one hand for surprise counter attacks when he sees an opening.

    Essentially each character in the original trilogy has a sword style which reflects their personality. Hamil has a year or more to train in German longsword styles and we will have a British fencer for Vader and a kendo trained samurai descendant for Obi Wan.
     
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    McLuvin said:
    Why choose? It's a big galaxy, there are different saber styles. We could have Obi Wan use a Kendo based style, where he uses speed and skill to compensate for age when older, and when he's younger uses his speed to overwhelm his enemies quickly but non-fatally. Vader uses a fencing style mixed with raw power, using his size and strength in combination with surprising technical skill to take control and dominate his opponents.
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    Nah, Obi Wan using Soresu is perfect as is. It perfectly matches his philosophy and temperament, not to mention his old age at this time. Vader already uses a more aggressive form of Djem So, which is already an aggressive form, so nothing needs to change there either.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    Nah, Obi Wan using Soresu is perfect as is. It perfectly matches his philosophy and temperament, not to mention his old age at this time. Vader already uses a more aggressive form of Djem So, which is already an aggressive form, so nothing needs to change there either.
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    I mean…Vader would literally use his OTL style since his fight actor would be the same, it's just we'd get the guy who played him while he fought in the second and third movie to do the first too (where he was the coordinator but didn't do the fight himself). That guy was an Olympic fencer BTW and based Vader's style off of that.

    If we do get Toshiro Mifune he will 100% want to bring in his Kendo style. And OTL we didn't really see Obi Wan do anything really fight wise in the first movie.

    Here's an example of Kendo Vs European German Longsword style. The first being what Mifune would want to use, the second being what I'm advocating we base Luke's style off of, a style based off of blocking a counter thrusts with fluid stances.

    View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2vbUVz9POQQ
     
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    Kaiser Chris said:
    @Magoose Can you please explain how the mechanics of this casting mini-turn are in terms of what happens if we choose and succeed, what happens if we don't hit the DC, and what happens if we do not select it this turn? Does this mean that the casting can be done by George and Gary?
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    It's rather simple:

    We choose three or four actors that either tried for the part of you write into the part: and then we roll.

    Now I am going to say this, if you don't choose casting it would be very… much like canon for the cast of Star Wars.

    Basically in three turns, if you do not choose to cast them, the cast will be primarily the people who got their roles OTL.
    Chaeronea said:
    he really became known in Hollywood after working with Stanley Kubrick on Barry Lyndon in 1974 - one of the reasons I wanted to get Bruce into that movie, but according to Magoose it wasn't made in this timeline
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    Don't worry…

    Stanley Kubrick is actually making that Napoleon film he never had the chance to make.

    So… there is that.

    And it's one of the few films that we're not working on… that will receive its own update.

    Well Some Nights will to, but that is different seeing as we're extremely close to Carrie.
    Orion Ultor said:
    we should establish a Stunt School that not only reestablishes a HEMA School [assuming that A Truly Bizzare Adventure doesn't allow for timeline shenanigans and there isn't already one established in the ever distant past by Claudia Nerva] but also has a Kendo and Fencing curriculum to ease the burden of actually having to look for masters (and lower the DC), when we ourselves can take part of the curriculum.
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    Have to invest in that.

    And No, there is no HEMA notes that were left behind by the Roman's.
     
    McLuvin said:
    Here's an example of Kendo Vs European German Longsword style. The first being what Mifune would want to use, the second being what I'm advocating we base Luke's style off of, a style based off of blocking a counter thrusts with fluid stances.
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    I mean...I hear you, I really do, I just don't know if I'm really all for changing up the lightsaber style of Obi-Wan. I meant what I said in regards to Soresu being literally perfect for Obi-Wan given it's slower movements, requiring greater patience, and being an almost purely defensive form. It perfectly matches the personality of Obi-Wan, his diplomatic approach, and his whole "perfect example of a Jedi"-thing that he's got going. From what I see, the Kendo practitioner is generally matching the ideas behind Soresu, at least in terms of the patience and not being very aggressive, but I think we should aim to maintain this, even if Mifune(if he gets chosen, I'm still not sold on him)is cast as Obi-Wan. He can still bring in his specific sword techniques and forms, but I would like him to still try and match the ideas and general approach of Soresu.
     
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