Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
I still want the complete Rouges team since they work best together.
I am not at all opposed to teaming up the Rogues on an Intrigue action in general.

My point is that Marie makes a good addition to the Rogues, in that she has good co-op with a number of them (and, like many of the Rogues, not with many people outside that group)... Without being 'a Rogue' in the sense of being literally a Flash villain.

Thus, 'honorary Rogue.'
 
Ehhh.

The big problem there is that within a short time of Superman's debut, it will become clear that Superman doesn't eliminate criminals. He just smacks them around a little and hands them over to the police.

Getting smacked around and handed over to the police is highly unlikely to stop Lex Luthor, or in Whale's experience and estimation to prevent Lex from coordinating attempts on Whale's life. He's a crime boss; he knows how much Bad Shit a man with a lot of resources and dangerous contacts can accomplish while in prison, to take revenge on his enemies.
That's true but Whale is a vindictive man and while he's smart enough to realise that in the current situation there's no way he can beat Lex with everything that's happened, the incident at Lexpo, the resulting PR hit, him having repaid the debt he owed the Falcones, him becoming a semi-trusted informant for Batman and soon the debut of a superpowered crime fighter that can't be bribed and is somewhat suspicious of Lexcorp thanks to a certain reporter he might decide that the tides have changed enough for ratting us out for revenge being worth pissing Lex off, especially since he'd have Batman and Supermans protection

Even without all that I don't think taking care of the one guy not a member of our company that can irrefutably link us to criminal activity will ever be a bad idea
 
That's true but Whale is a vindictive man and while he's smart enough to realise that in the current situation there's no way he can beat Lex with everything that's happened, the incident at Lexpo, the resulting PR hit, him having repaid the debt he owed the Falcones, him becoming a semi-trusted informant for Batman and soon the debut of a superpowered crime fighter that can't be bribed and is somewhat suspicious of Lexcorp thanks to a certain reporter he might decide that the tides have changed enough for ratting us out for revenge being worth pissing Lex off, especially since he'd have Batman and Supermans protection

Even without all that I don't think taking care of the one guy not a member of our company that can irrefutably link us to criminal activity will ever be a bad idea
I mean, maybe, but when we do it I want to do it with an Intrigue team that is almost sure of success no matter how high the DC on the check is. Depending on how careful Whale was, we could be looking at DC 200+, with the consequence for failure being "the dossier gets released on a dead-man switch automatically."

Because my read on Whale is that he wasn't vindictive at all- at least, not towards people stronger than him.

And, uh... Batman informant???
 
Whale strikes me as a survivor, certainly he could screw us by releasing his blackmail material, but he is afraid of our power. He knows his days would be numbered if he screws us, even if we were having superman all up in our face.
 
I mean, maybe, but when we do it I want to do it with an Intrigue team that is almost sure of success no matter how high the DC on the check is. Depending on how careful Whale was, we could be looking at DC 200+, with the consequence for failure being "the dossier gets released on a dead-man switch automatically."

Because my read on Whale is that he wasn't vindictive at all- at least, not towards people stronger than him.

And, uh... Batman informant???
I highly doubt that Whale has the connections necessary to hide the evidence that well

And short of including Lex himself the Rogues + Marie are our best intrigue team, unless maybe we assigned the Supercomputer to it with them helping but I'm not sure if that would work
 
I highly doubt that Whale has the connections necessary to hide the evidence that well
It wouldn't necessarily be that difficult for him to do so, especially since he can take repeated []Bury the blackmail deeper actions. It would take relatively little effort to hide the information somewhere remote, somewhere only he and a very small number of other people knew about, and somewhere that wouldn't leave a sizeable electronic information trail we could easily track down.

We're looking for documents and a few tapes, materials that could easily fit in a random safe deposit box or be hidden in a safe house or cached out in the woods where only a couple of meth runners know where to find it or God knows where. He could even have multiple copies, precisely so that if one of them gets raided he can release the other.

Given that he was depending on this blackmail information to save his life, and it worked, Whale has probably hidden it as if his life literally depends on keeping it hidden. Which means that while it might have been handled sloppily, it might have been handled very well indeed.

And short of including Lex himself the Rogues + Marie are our best intrigue team, unless maybe we assigned the Supercomputer to it with them helping but I'm not sure if that would work
We can only put one hero unit on a supercomputer action; it's one of the annoying limitations of supercomputer actions. I'm hoping we can do some more supercomputer upgrading and build a second one soon.

Anyway, I'll think about it. The point is, I strongly suspect Whale will NOT reveal the information just to 'get' us; he's depending on it to protect him from us, he's afraid of us, and he knows from experience that being sent to prison does not keep a resourceful "boss" figure from being able to exercise power and cause harm to his enemies.

As such, i don't want to upset the status quo by going after Whale until I'm sure we can succeed. Remember that the last time we tried to "tie up a loose end" with Whale, our agent narrowly failed, Whale survived, and that's how we got into this mess in the first place!
 
Jimmy Steiner
Staff Notice: Rule 4: Don't Be Disruptive: This is not the way to talk about someone's concerns.

Here's a third photoshop pic @King crimson Another knowledge omake, but I remember this one with Jimmy acting as Scott Steiner causing some minor confusion, so if you never got the full explanation and want to see here's a link


Also I fixed up the Tyr omake from before, and my deepest apologies for making you have to read through that mess. I'm not the best writer, but even by my standards that was bad. I hope it's actually legible this time around. Next time someone tells me to write up a short story at 2am, I'll think twice, my bad man.
Also so you don't need to go digging, the here's a quote:
The Grand Tour, Corrupted TakeOver


It was not often Lorelei found herself dumbfounded by an opponent, and certainly not when she was on the hunt. Nonetheless, Lorelei Luthor was certainly being backed against a wall, the only respite being that her adversary had once more stopped his use of the gun in his hand. This was different from the ordinary guns, or even the unordinary ones, and not even her magic armaments could protect her from the initial volley.

Once more Lorelei peaked her head out, a small glimpse of her and her adversary's mutual target coming to light. The Holy Grail an item imbued with enough holy magic to- oh crap! Once more Lorelei was forced back, not a moment too soon as where her head was previously found itself welcomed with another round. More curses ran under her breath. Perhaps this wouldn't have been so bad if she had assistance, but Mildred had been taken care of upon arriving, somehow a young assistant to her foe, wielding a spear of familiar look, with intense grace had managed to outdo and overwhelm her. And Circe had gone completely silent, not the slightest bit of a connection was able to connect to her, meaning she was completely isolated.

Her first few attempts at closing the distance had proven less than effective, as they graze wounds and singed flesh decorating her armor could attest to.

Alright so can't use magic, can't fight, and can't call on allies. She supposed she could pull out that maneuver, but there was no guarantee it would work. Still, there was little else she could do as her enemy peppered her location with his seemingly infinite ammunition. A deep breath filled Lorelei's mouth, and she tensed her body preparing for her next move.

"Parley!" She shouted out raising her arms in surrender.

Luckily by some, though the man she faced hadn't lowered his gun he had not fired. A smirk quickly spread across the mysterious man's face, and the Luthor's anger reached its peak. Regardless, she had already chosen her course of action and the opposition-held all the cards.

"My name is Lorelei Luthor, ally and member of the house of Circe. I came here seeking the artifact on that pedestal, and would request you leave me and my cohort alone." She felt sweat on her brow but made no movements to remove it. Every action here was life or death, and despite facing Circe herself on the daily, Lorelei couldn't help but feel danger radiating from the man before her.

Silence reigned a moment longer before he lowered his gun, the small smirk extending to a smile as he circled Lorelei, just enough to reach the Chalice.
"Name's Tyr Kent, a bounty hunter for hire, and a....connoisseur of ancient relics. Now I won't pretend I'm not curious why a fragile thing like you are out here doing work outside your no doubt lovely mansion," Tyr said, looking her up and down in obvious disregard, " but I can't say I care enough to ask. So here's what's going to happen. Me and my associate over there who's got your tag along hogtied, are going to take this here relic, and do with it as I wish. I am in need of a fancy mug after all. And who knows, maybe I can give it to the church and me and my friend," At this, the man's eyes lapsed in concentration, and he tightened his hold on his gun, "Right, right, my bad. Me, my friend and Mephy can earn ourselves some good gambling money." At the mention of this Mephy character, the bounty hunter shook his revolver.

"Tyr-" "Kent. Only my friends and people of importance address me as Tyr." "....Kent, I'm sure that we can come to an arrangement. Surely there are trades we can make. One which will make both of us happy?"

The gun-toting maniac tapped his weapon against his cheek thoughtfully. "I could trade a bullet for your brain matter?"

Lorelei's felt her eye begin twitching, and had she not been in such a precarious position she'd be rubbing her temples to deal with the oncoming migraine from this buffon. Still, she must persist, as many lives stood in the balance for this exchange. Alright, perhaps magical items. Yes, yes, that could work. Or offer a meeting with Circe herself, and when he arrives she'd work with Circe to kill the damn imbecile. Sure Circe may be annoyed that she used her as a defense, but she'd understand. Alright then, just need to convince him.

"What if-" "Nope." A bullet entered her left thigh before she had even registered him shifting the gun. A cry of pain left her mouth and she fell to the ground quickly. In her moment of weakness, the Bounty Hunter put the artifact, her artifact inside a bag and quickly began to make his exit. A deep-seated hatred for this gnat that had dared to cross her, Lorelei Luthor, settled in, as she made sure to memorize his facial features and characteristics. He sent back a wink as he began to leave, his apprentice rising to follow from his seated position near the still unconscious Mildred.

Lorelei felt herself curse the house of Kent, and though her magic might not function as it once could've, her wrath would soak deeply into her blood, bones, and soul. No one disgraced a Luthor and got away with it.


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@Simon_Jester sorry dude, but I had to. It was too easy and the set up was too similar, hope you don't mind I blended Lexquest with Lokiquest.
 
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...I feel like this still doesn't address the reasons why I had problems with the story and felt like it was mocking my characters, @DreamCWeaver .
Dude, seriously, not gonna lie, you're reasons were not my top priority, and while I understand you have the right to feel how you will, I have the right to be unsympathetic at how you had felt the need to be offended from what was originally meant to be a minor joke omake, because I had noticed several shared players between Lokiquest and Lexquest. The goal was to be funny, and the people who found it funny showed it meaning I accomplished the task. If it was to be a serious crossover, I wouldn't have made the fight so one sided, but I did. It was to have a back and forth glorified pissing match had I decided to continue this past the primary omake. I stated before that I'm not, and I would rather just let the matter lie. I got laughs, I fixed the atrocity, it's over and done with.
 
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@King crimson I bring more art. Back to the photoshoping variety

Not 100% sure as to what the background is but the Bane image I believe is from the Arkham Asylum video game. This piece earns 400 exp.

@King crimson feels like forever ago since I made that omake. I still remember trying to type it out, while writing something else.

This image is nice. I actually appreciate the increased pixilation on the mask to get it to match up with Lex's appearance. This earns 400 exp.

Here's a third photoshop pic @King crimson Another knowledge omake, but I remember this one with Jimmy acting as Scott Steiner causing some minor confusion, so if you never got the full explanation and want to see here's a link

So I'm willing to give this image 400 exp as well. The additional context is appreciated for the joke as well.
Dude, seriously, not gonna lie, you're reasons were not my top priority, and while I understand you have the right to feel how you will, I have the right to be unsympathetic at the how you had felt the need to be offended from what was originally meant to be a minor joke omake, because I had noticed several shared players between Lokiquest and Lexquest. The goal was to be funny, and the people who found it funny showed it meaning I accomplished the task. If it was to be a serious crossover, I wouldn't have made the fight so one sided, but I did. It was to have a back and forth glorified pissing match had I decided to continue this past the primary omake. I stated before that I'm not, and I would rather just let the matter lie. I got laughs, I fixed the atrocity, it's over and done with.
Now onto the Tyr omake. I'm not canonizing it. Humor on the internet is hard and frankly I personally don't think it succeeds well at being humorous (it reads too much like a serious omake to work at being funny for me. There are elements that could have been comedic but are delivered too flatly. For a joke to really work you need to know that it's meant to be a joke and this reads too seriously. Nothing in this piece is exaggerated nor are any subversions present which does not make it read as a joke at all). Furthermore several continuity issues exist that are odd and the characters break a fair bit. Even with jokes characters should remain consistent to themselves in order for a joke to work. If you wrote an omake about Ares choosing not to fight anymore without a damn good reason, no matter how well written it is I wouldn't accept it as an omake since you are just slapping on a name to unrelated characters and calling it a day while not actually making it relevant to the quest. Not every non-canon omake written has to be funny to me but I should at least be able to tell that a joke is happening (the wrestling omake is a great example of that where none of the jokes landed for me and I didn't get it at all but I still understood that it was meant to be humorous at certain points).

I'm of the opinion that this piece should be dropped. It's been nothing but problematic and while I don't believe that you are being malicious with this it dances very near some violations of the things posted in the posting guidelines (Rule 6).

Just because something is a joke doesn't mean it cannot be offensive. Holocaust jokes for example can be in incredibly poor taste and quite offensive depending on who makes them and why. The internet lacks the ability to convey context in cases like this which is part of why humor is so hard on the internet. In this case when writing an omake on a character whom someone else has created ask them for permission to do so. I'll be adding this as a rule.
P.S: Do I smell potential passive bitch-fighting incoming? Please, by all means warn me first so I can get the popcorn.
Huh...happened earlier than I was expecting.
Sena Kumo I really did not want to have to step in but I'm doing so now. This is generally not okay. Sitting on the sidelines and antagonizing people isn't going to help at all. Both of these posts add nothing to the conversation besides insulting people who are arguing (on two separate unrelated issues at least six pages apart) and as such is a pretty clear violation of Rule 3 of the posting guidelines. It's especially egregious considering you are deliberately linking two distinctly different points (Simon Jester got mad over incorrect comments made by Kufufu about how it's disappointment that I'm not going to update the quest and only post side materials for a while and Simon Jester got annoyed that despite DreamCWeaver's edits to the omake he wrote involving Tyr none of Simon's problems with the omake in the first place) creating a narrative when there were none. I've been asked to step in so I'm stepping in and I'm saying you are in violation of one of the posting rules. Knock it off or things will escalate from here. I'll also be adding in a post that if you are contributing to a conversation then posts which address the participants of the conversation as part of the conversation or are a commentary of the conversation but do not add anything will be against the rule.

This is the final warning. Knock it off now, as a third occurance of this happening and actual punishment will occur and mods could potentially get involved.
 
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I really do not want to have to step in but I'm getting pushed to do it more and more. In the end the more I intervene, the less happy everyone will be.

This is getting real old real fast
 
Not 100% sure as to what the background is but the Bane image I believe is from the Arkham Asylum video game. This piece earns 400 exp.

This image is nice. I actually appreciate the increased pixilation on the mask to get it to match up with Lex's appearance. This earns 400 exp.

So I'm willing to give this image 400 exp as well. The additional context is appreciated for the joke as well.

Now onto the Tyr omake. I'm not canonizing it. Humor on the internet is hard and frankly I personally don't think it succeeds well at being humorous (it reads too much like a serious omake to work at being funny for me. There are elements that could have been comedic but are delivered too flatly. For a joke to really work you need to know that it's meant to be a joke and this reads too seriously. Nothing in this piece is exaggerated nor are any subversions present which does not make it read as a joke at all). Furthermore several continuity issues exist that are odd and the characters break a fair bit. Even with jokes characters should remain consistent to themselves in order for a joke to work. If you wrote an omake about Ares choosing not to fight anymore without a damn good reason, no matter how well written it is I wouldn't accept it as an omake since you are just slapping on a name to unrelated characters and calling it a day while not actually making it relevant to the quest. Not every non-canon omake written has to be funny to me but I should at least be able to tell that a joke is happening (the wrestling omake is a great example of that where none of the jokes landed for me and I didn't get it at all but I still understood that it was meant to be humorous at certain points).

I'm of the opinion that this piece should be dropped. It's been nothing but problematic and while I don't believe that you are being malicious with this it dances very near some violations of the things posted in the posting guidelines (Rule 6).

Just because something is a joke doesn't mean it cannot be offensive. Holocaust jokes for example can be in incredibly poor taste and quite offensive depending on who makes them and why. The internet lacks the ability to convey context in cases like this which is part of why humor is so hard on the internet. In this case when writing an omake on a character whom someone else has created ask them for permission to do so. I'll be adding this as a rule.


Sena Kumo I really did not want to have to step in but I'm doing so now. This is generally not okay. Sitting on the sidelines and antagonizing people isn't going to help at all. Both of these posts add nothing to the conversation besides insulting people who are arguing (on two separate unrelated issues at least six pages apart) and as such is a pretty clear violation of Rule 3 of the posting guidelines. It's especially egregious considering you are deliberately linking two distinctly different points (Simon Jester got mad over incorrect comments made by Kufufu about how it's disappointment that I'm not going to update the quest and only post side materials for a while and Simon Jester got annoyed that despite DreamCWeaver's edits to the omake he wrote involving Tyr none of Simon's problems with the omake in the first place) creating a narrative when there were none. I've been asked to step in so I'm stepping in and I'm saying you are in violation of one of the posting rules. Knock it off or things will escalate from here. I'll also be adding in a post that if you are contributing to a conversation then posts which address the participants of the conversation as part of the conversation or are a commentary of the conversation but do not add anything will be against the rule.

This is the final warning. Knock it off now, as a third occurance of this happening and actual punishment will occur and mods could potentially get involved.
Thank you for the kind words correlating to the art.
As for the Tyr omake, yeah sure, I didn't want it to be canon, just felt the random urge to do it cause I saw the connections. It was just too many coincidences for me to not notice, even tired, and then I had the others pushing for me to do it as well. It also was maybe a bit cathartic and heavily bias, which I am willing to admit, that Tyr was the one to win first in the supposed pissing match with no small part being that Lorelei had been responsible for Tyr dying, who if I forgot to mention, happened to be the NPC I was responsible for in the quest. That was just one of many factors, and I should've waited and researched this Lorelei, rather then trying to go in blind.

That said I agree, this omake has brought me more grievances then I'd be willing to put up with so I suppose I'll just stop trying on that end.
 
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I'm not exactly acting like I'm causing discord. Dream and Simon are doing that amongs each other without me doing anything though, if that even counts...
 
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Okay then...sorry, if I can't even say it, then I won't say anything. Mostly at least. It's not difficult for Simon to ignore Dream.
By that same logic it's not hard for you to ignore Simon. Why should he have to ignore Dream but you don't have to ignore him? The "just ignore them" argument doesn't work when you contribute to the problem and display similar if not worse behaviors to the person you are attempting to chastise (Simon at least was somewhat directly involved in one case while you were not in either and in both cases you made a conflict worse without adding anything).

The reason I stepped in here was cause I got asked to get involved. Dream and Simon fight yes but rather than pointing out "here is what you are doing that's not okay" you instead chose to potentially anger both sides without adding anything to the conversation. It's not helpful and you are causing discord by angering Simon who then generally makes a sweeping statement out of anger as he believes that a group is now insulting and belittling him and this group includes the person he was arguing against in the first place. Simon then offends or angers Dream and the rancor gets worse. You are contributing to a problem and making it worse. If you see a fire you don't pour gasoline on it and expect not to be blamed in part for the ensuing damage.

If you absolutely need to tell Simon to ignore something, tell him to ignore something don't obliquely insult him by calling him a passive aggressive bitch. Any legitimacy your position had was poisoned due to your own poor decision making and backtracking now does not make things better. Telling Simon to ignore Dream is now less than worthless coming from you and is in fact now more likely to get him riled up and not ignore Dream than anything else. What you did, doesn't help.

I don't believe you are being malicious but if you want me to continue to dissect why exactly what you did was wrong I can do so and while I don't want to insult or offend you I am under no illusion that my analysis of your actions will be kind or make you look good and the more I am made to talk on this point the more extreme things will get.
 
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Less me ignoring Simon but more me ignoring the thread in general.
P.S: Seriously, just ignore me. Ask Dream why if I don't reply.
 
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