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Seems to be a mix up where the formula is credited to doctor moon rather than Karl.
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Thanks for pointing this out, that was a mistake from an older draft that I messed up on. I should have fixed it now.
A Brief Rundown of the Two Main Candidates for the Current Election
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So here's a brief informational post on the two leading candidates for the upcoming election. I'm going to mostly be handling this in bullet points in order to keep it brief and to tackle a whole bunch of platforms and ideals very quickly. I will not be mentioning IRL political party affiliation for either candidate.
If you want to know something that's not listed, feel free to ask and I'll answer if I don't feel like it's a spoiler.
A Brief Rundown of the Two Main Candidates for the Current Election
Walter Reilly
Thomas Boon
If you want to know something that's not listed, feel free to ask and I'll answer if I don't feel like it's a spoiler.
A Brief Rundown of the Two Main Candidates for the Current Election
Walter Reilly
- Walter Reilly has been a New York senator for several years and is generally regarded as having a positive reputation. There are no outstanding scandals or clear imputations to his career
- Walter has a family but generally tries to keep this side of his life private whenever possible
- Walter Reilly openly talks about his love for history and regularly makes use of rhetoric calling back to the past
- Walter is generally pro-Superman but is also very much in favor of being hands-off with him.
- Walter is in favor the DOMA and wants to massively expand it. He also wants to make it easier for literal aliens to apply for US citizenship provided they register their capabilities and agree to provide the government with a DNA sample
- Walter is opposed to giving big businesses tax breaks and generally wants to do more to regulate large corporations
- Walter wants to shift all of the US into running on Kryptonite power, but he also will absolutely refuse to do so until he can deny LexCorp a monopoly over the US's power supply, whether that be by breaking up the company or by creating and subsidizing new ones
- Walter wants Wade Eiling out of politics and is generally not happy with the involvement of the military.
- Walter was a fan of Pamela Isley's environmental policies and generally wants to expand them
- Walter wants more international relations and is interested in diplomacy whenever possible, believing that starting a new cold war with super powered individuals will lead to destruction and that only through cooperation will something like Brainiac's attempted invasion be prevented.
- Walter Reilly generally thinks the VAA is fine as is
- Walter Reilly's running mate is Joan Dale, a congresswoman from California. Their alliance is primarily one of political convenience.
Thomas Boon
- Thomas Boon is a bit on the older side and is unmarried without a family. He is a congressman from Connecticut and has prior military service. He has been accused of taking kickbacks but nothing was ever proven and otherwise he's largely clean
- Thomas Boon makes use of rhetoric involving being tough on crime and making sure that the United States is safe from having anything like what happened with Brainiac from occurring again
- Thomas Boon wants even stricter regulation of vigilantes and metahumans and would want to ensure that the government has a far greater amount of control over them.
- Thomas Boon is immensely pro-Superman but also wants to force Superman into representing the United States's military interests on the world stage
- Thomas Boon is pro-big business and would actively support both Wayne Enterprises and LexCorp
- Thomas Boon doesn't care about environmental initiatives and would actively slash those organizations budget
- Thomas Boon is in favor of cutting the DOMA's budget by a significant amount and then redistributing that back into weapons development
- Thomas Boon's international policies are basically a call to return to isolationism and dominance
- Thomas Boon would keep Eiling around as a cabinet member
- Thomas Boon wants aliens to either be removed from the United States or to subject themselves to government study until they are cleared
- Thomas Boon wants to take a hardline stance against supervillains and has advocated for forcibly drafting them to do either hard labor or fight the US's battles
- His running mate is Nathan Domini, a wealthy businessman who works primarily in the state of Washington and has occasionally dabbled in politics, though he's never held a position higher than a mayor. He and Thomas are friends.
Of these two options I'm tentatively in favor of Walter Reilly. The only real problem I have with the guy is wanting Eling out of politics. The rest we can handle. Even his wish to make sure Lexcorp isn't a energy monopoly is reasonable if done with our input (none of that breaking up the company bullshit). I'd like to be a major player in the Electric grid but as long as kryptonite proliferates I'm fine not getting to the level of a monopoly. We may be able to change his mind on the Eling issue. After all it's not the first time a politicians flipflopped on an issue in face of realpolitik.
Boon on the other hand is going After Doma and is going to piss Ivy off with the anti environment issues. Heavily regulating heroes and the whole draft supervillains thing is going to backfire HARD. Being Pro Superman is going to suck right until he realizes Superman never going to be the USA's hatchetman. The focus on weapons and super soldiers would workout for us though as long as he buys from us.
Boon on the other hand is going After Doma and is going to piss Ivy off with the anti environment issues. Heavily regulating heroes and the whole draft supervillains thing is going to backfire HARD. Being Pro Superman is going to suck right until he realizes Superman never going to be the USA's hatchetman. The focus on weapons and super soldiers would workout for us though as long as he buys from us.
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Are there any candidates with the potential to over take these two?
Lexcorp is more popular than ever, and we have the second most popular hero in the United States ready to give endorsements and popular team. I'm not above using a nygma, Carl, meld team to dig up info on these two'w past, or arrange a political career destroying frame job.
Lexcorp is more popular than ever, and we have the second most popular hero in the United States ready to give endorsements and popular team. I'm not above using a nygma, Carl, meld team to dig up info on these two'w past, or arrange a political career destroying frame job.
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Okay, finally had a chance to sit down and catch up and while I have a lot of general thoughts I'll start with my opinion of the two top Presidential candidates.
Plus we could theoretically use such a program to paint Starfire as the "good" alien as opposed to Superman who would almost certainly refuse to hand the government his DNA.
At best he'd force us to license out the patent for Kryptonite reactors to the government so they can build federal power plants, at worst he'd engage in a campaign to break up LexCorp and somewhere in the middle would be him forcing us to license the patent to other energy companies.
How bad those various options are is up for debate.
Ultimately I would definitely say that Reilly is the better choice of the two, though he has no shortage of his own problems, but ideally I'd rather search out a third option as soon as possible.
On top of some of the stuff mentioned here it's worth noting that Reilly is also Firehawk's father and a recurring ally of Firestorm.
This is probably the best sort of rhetoric we're going to get Superman wise from a President right now. Things are too tense for the government to disavow Superman but just kinda ignoring him is the second best thing.
This is good, the DOMA are some of our most useful allies and being able to access aliens legitimately could be useful.
Plus we could theoretically use such a program to paint Starfire as the "good" alien as opposed to Superman who would almost certainly refuse to hand the government his DNA.
Ehh, this could be bad for us depending on how much actual anti-big business legislation he manages to push through but we don't really care that much about stuff like taxes.
This is a mixed bag, the entire country running on Kryptonite would be amazing for us but his refusal to allow us a monopoly is a significant problem.
At best he'd force us to license out the patent for Kryptonite reactors to the government so they can build federal power plants, at worst he'd engage in a campaign to break up LexCorp and somewhere in the middle would be him forcing us to license the patent to other energy companies.
How bad those various options are is up for debate.
This is the biggest problem, for all of Eiling's issues he's arguably our most important ally, and only arguably because of how damn useful Diana is, as well as pretty much the only reason we have any idea what Waller is up to. Him being kicked out of the White House would be a big problem for us.
These are generally all pretty good for us.
Some maybe pertinent information, Joan Dale was the President in the Death of Superman movie and while it's questionable if they're the same character a woman with that same name was the hero Miss America during WW2 who had the power to transmute matter.
All I can find on Boon is that he was the President in Injustice.
This is tentatively good for us because it would mean an increase on military spending whic at his point basically goes directly into our pocket.
This… could be a problem. We specifically pushed for lenient regulation of metahumans because we wanted them to have a positive view of the government and, more importantly, LexCorp. If Boon instated stricter regulation we would either need to defy them or try to enforce those regulations on our own people.
This is a mixed bag. Boon being pro-Superman would risk him shutting down stuff like Damocles or Last Line but him trying to force Supes to toe the line would only push him further away and turn others against him.
Pretty good for us though the fact that he'd almost certainly let Wayne Enterprises get away with their bullshit is a pain.
Not an enormous problem for us but definitely still a negative.
Now this is a major problem. Our ties with DOMA are our key to keeping an eye on and manipulating both superheroes and metahumans in general.
This is good for aforementioned reasons.
This is a tricky one. On the one hand it actively contradicts his stance on Superman, a politician being hypocritical who could've guessed?, and would put Starfire at risk but on the other hand if we get the contract to study those aliens it could be useful.
This is another problem, a hardline anti-supervillain stance makes us making use of them, be it as a distraction or potential hero units down the line, much harder.
A very corrupt individual, most notable to his ties to the Ninth Circle which is basically a bank of villains, terrorists and other criminals.
Ultimately I would definitely say that Reilly is the better choice of the two, though he has no shortage of his own problems, but ideally I'd rather search out a third option as soon as possible.
It still might be prudent to see if we we can't hash out the issues with Riley but yeah we might need to look for third options.
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I don't like Hashing things out with Riley because he's anti cold war and cold war was good lexcorp business, especially as Eilings ally. We have Eiling and Diana in our corner, and we can absolutely cause a scandal. Plus, we are meeting Ra. A false assassination attempt might be just the empowerment a new contender needs.
Don't get me wrong I'd absolutely prefer a third candidate but if there's one I absolutely don't want winning it's Boon. Reilly's issues could largely be worked around if we absolutely must (We could accept sharing Kryptonite reactor tech as the trade off for propagating them across the US, we could hopefully pull some strings to keep Eiling in power despite Reilly's dislike of him and just because he wants to avoid another Cold War doesn't mean it'll actually happen) but Boon risks gutting one of our most important allies, undoing the strengthened ties with the G7 and fundamentally changing how the country deals with metahumans and aliens.
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If there are, I'm not listing them/giving you information on them. I said early on that I'm not listing every possible candidate.
Yeah this is more or less an OC with a semi-familiar name. There aren't a ton of politicians (especially ones who don't win an election) in DC comics so I had to get a bit creative and do a fair bit to start fleshing things out.
I'd like to note that an option on the table for you guys (that wasn't there previously because I hadn't gotten it included until recently) is to kill (or severely injure badly enough that they can't actively lead) the president and through that get a vice president you like more in power.
Technically speaking you don't even need to back a new contender, you can find a vice president you like more and then get rid of the problem to get the person you actually want in office.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not going to give you the information for free, but I will say that looking into Joan Dale and Nathan Domini might be worth it if you don't mind getting a candidate into office via dirty means.
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I just wanted a yes or no.
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We can licence the technology but I absolutely want head starts into all Kryptonite R&D.
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Which one? Or a fusion of both?
Antonia Monetti was one of the Scholarship students in Ozzy's contest and was at the LexPo.
Her dad may be a viable presidential candidate.
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Yes a candidate who is not one of those two could win.
To further clarify, my original statement was less an invitation to do research on who these characters are, and more a statement of an action you could take next turn that might prove beneficial
If you're asking me, I'm not answering. I'll make it even more confusing and bring up that I might be mixing in some of "President Dole" from a one-off elseworld's comic called "Son of Superman". I won't confirm this third option being mixed in, but I'll bring it up as a possibility to deliberately make it harder to make assumptions one way or another.
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All the problems we have with them can easily change with Pamela pheromones.
In order:
We can probably push against any regulations that would harm our heroes while promoting ones that can help us
If DOMA receives less funding I wonder if we could pick up the slack and possibly get more control over the organization
We can also keep our aliens under wraps
Ultimately I think Boon is the better candidate because he doesn't want to harm us and we can paint ourselves as either a moderating force for other's rights or as the resistance against some of his more extreme policies while working with him.
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Not as easily as you might think. In addition to the problem of just pulling it off, and the chance of getting caught either in the process or after, there's the issue where they'd be dramatically changing their stance on something without adequate explanation.
Honestly, in some ways I like Boon. We'd have to fight against many of his policies, but fighting against those policies would make us look good. Thing is, even if we did decide we wanted him to win, we couldn't afford to admit it. Too much of our good PR is wrapped up in stuff he's opposed to. Let's break it down.
Eiling as a cabinet member is generally useful. Drafting supervillains is generally useful as far as having various parts of the government employing supervillains in morally dubious ways (more friction with Superman). Alien removal is another one of those things that we'd have to fight against, but I'm pretty sure that we can get exceptions for individuals hammered out pretty quickly, and, again, being the shelter from the storm is A Good Thing.
So... I feel like a Boon presidency could be useful to us... but we cannot afford to be seen as supporting him in general.
Good thing that we don't need to decide on Raven's action right now. We would never agree what to do otherwise. More importantly I don't think that we need to fire anyone right now, since it would be better if we agreed to send them to one of our allies. I think that Vlatava peace meeting would be this turn and we also agreeing to League of Shadows meeting. We just need to gift two of our hero units to them right away. Maybe we can even suggest for LoS to kidnap Louise and frame Atlantians for it or something. Or offer Elaine her own castle in Vlatava.
Another thing that I noticed is that literally any stewardship hero can take music action alongside Siobhan, while Oswald would be better at TV action.
As for training Carol I'd rather spend actions on improving exosuit and then make a custom one for her with all Kryptonite blasters we can get inside. Maybe it even would transform into jet.
Also yes, we can put Talia and Moon on mundane stewardship action, but I think both are viable to bail on them. Expanding LexCorp suits Talia ambitions better.
Dr.Match is our key to animal splicing tech. Dr. Brawn have some very good traits that activate on animal biology, so if we get it we can better merge his and Karl research together.
Also between Leonard team , Nygma team and potential Helena-Jinx team we have some very strong intrigue teams to potentially tackle one of the higher DC intrigue targets. My prefered options are to investigate Supergirl DC 53? , create a worldwide spy network DC 64 , or sabotage Wayne Corp DC 125. Would be nice to know what people would prefer.
In general while I'll make my own plan I would also be fine with your version too if not for direct firing of people. As I said why fire them when we can arrange some favorable trades this very turn.
And here is my plan.
[ ] (Martial) Continue preparing for Trigon's arrival (DC 32 - Mina+Carol =+92)
[ ] (Martial) Crush all criminals DC??? (Mari+Roxanne+Rebecca=+98)
[ ] (Martial) Engage in superpowered crimefighting abroad DC??? (Fire+Ice = +76)
[ ] (Martial) Improve exo-suit user interface (DC 50, Rose + Nathan =+82)
[ ] (Martial) Improve exo-suit mobility (DC 57, Marcus+Eve+Kate=+72)
[ ] (Stewardship) Continue to repair Metropolis DC 27 Frost+Felicity(with Nanites)+Paige=+68
[ ] (Stewardship) Acquire blue Kryptonite Mine (DC ???,Nathan, +18)
[ ] (Stewardship) Begin producing music (DC 10, Starfire + Siobhan+Johnny=+24+Johnny stat+25 at the end )
[ ] (Stewardship) Give Leslie Willis her own TV show (DC 33 (DC 7 with Livewire), Livewire+Sam+Oswald =+51/+51/+79 (Sam and Oswald traits))
[ ] (Stewardship) Expand Lexcorp DC 39 Vivian+Constance+Talia
[ ] (Stewardship) Contribute resources to the analysis of superhuman powers DC 0 Lana +17
[ ] (Stewardship) Begin producing handheld consoles DC 7
[ ](Diplomacy) Begin a hard propaganda push across all of your news sources DC 15 Rene+Lucy+Lance =+68
[ ] (Diplomacy) Meet with the League of Shadows DC 14 Marie Luis Dahl = +19
[ ] (Diplomacy) Meet with General Hardcastle DC 9
[ ] (Diplomacy) Give a gift DC 0
[ ] (Diplomacy) Meet with Dinah Drake Lance in Star City DC 12
[ ] (Diplomacy)Throw a company party DC 0
[ ] (Diplomacy) Promote the SCU DC 0
[ ] (Diplomacy) Meet with a member of the staff besides Charles McNider at the School for Metahuman youth DC 0
[ ] (Intrigue) Sabotage a rival company DC 3 for S.T.A.R. Leonard+Mick+Lisa=+57
[ ] (Intrigue) Continue investigation into Church of Blood DC ??? Nygma+Carl+Meld= +94
[ ] (Intrigue) Investigate Supergirl DC 54? Helena+Jinx+Villain=+93
(alternatively Create a worldwide spy network DC 64 , or sabotage Wayne Corp DC 125)
[ ] (Intrigue) Investigate Dr. March DC 26 Dr Moon+Vic= +38
[] (Learning) Develop a new standard laser rifle for General Wells DC 7 Louise
[] (Learning) Improve necessary tech for the O.D.I.N. System DC 24 Pamela+Caitlin+Catherine=+73
[] (Learning) Attempt to reverse engineer Brainiac's cloaking system DC 57 - Fixit
[] Improve Enoch Brown's animal growth formula
DC 88 (48 if Enoch Brown is assigned to this action) Brown+Karl =+61
[] (Learning) Use your particle collider to observe subatomic interactions DC 22 Meena
[ ] (Learning)Test the limitations of Merlino's mind control devices
DC 0
[ ] (Learning) Improve Kryptonite bombs DC 10
[ ] [Raven] Teach Raven LexCorp propaganda DC 7 (Raven must be assigned to this action for it to be taken) (Intrigue) Lex+Cass+Mercy=+97-???+41
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Like, I'm gonna vote on "secretly supporting" Thomas Boon, just for high probability of this causing Lex Luthor to become "Aliens Rights Activist"
This would be literally "Irony-O-Meter went out of scale, then exploded" situation
This would be literally "Irony-O-Meter went out of scale, then exploded" situation
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I definitely prefer creating the spine network. We should have done it a long time ago, and we haven't for some reason?
In regard to presidential candidates I don't have strong preference, but I don't think that Reilly's issue with LexCorp Kryptonite monopoly is big problem. We have Cold Engine, Kryptonite reactors are now outdated tech for us. In fact allowing others to build it is probably fine?
What if we sell Kryptonite reactor tech to Wayne Enterprises? Maybe in exchange for their cooperation on pharma? I mean sure, people already prepared to fight with Wayne firm to the bitter end, but I am more interested in not giving Bruce his victory over Board of Directors.
What if we sell Kryptonite reactor tech to Wayne Enterprises? Maybe in exchange for their cooperation on pharma? I mean sure, people already prepared to fight with Wayne firm to the bitter end, but I am more interested in not giving Bruce his victory over Board of Directors.
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I'm fine with it, we are trying to spread Kryptonite everywhere anyway, so Reilly's really just helping us spread it around more easily.
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Problem is, getting into a protracted fight with him ties up our diplomacy units. I mean, add it all together. Vigilante and metahuman regulations, Doma budget cuts, policies likely to lead to a split of the G7 since it's Eli's big project, and Alien removal. That's four potential policies to get into a potentially poliitical slugfest. Where lucky he's only indifferent to environmental stuff since he's at least just budget cutting.
I can agree that between the two he's the less problematic, but we should definitely look at the other candidates. So our goal should be to pull the rug out from under Reilly discretely hand anonymously while openly questioning the hero registration and Doma fund cutting aspects of his agenda. We could do the latter with a push propaganda action.
We don't, but generally, it works out better when the list of actions we are in favor of accounts for the child special action and the heroes we might assign to it. This is Ravens last special action, and it behoves us to make the most of it.
I have to agree that talia is likely to bail. I think adding her to the expand lexcorp team and shifting it's double down to giving Karl bone serum is a good move, though an acceptable alternative might be letting her head a push propaganda action.
Moon doesn't bail on stewardship actions, we've had him on some tedius ones before. It's learning ones he may wander from.
Not particularly interested in his splicing. We have sharp, and venom, and gingko fruit, plus meena's particle accelerator. I feel at least one of these should be followed through on before we go on collecting another option we think is cool.
Depends on what else we are doing, but Nygma on supergirl seems worthwhile, except we may want him looking at candidate walter Reilly or election candidates in general so we can uncover enough about his past to undermine his campaign. We need to lightly oppose Boon's policies but not the man himself but Reilly needs to be discreetly undermined, and we need information for that. It's a tricky situation.
We need to oppose his policies publicly and work towards removing his opposition from the shadows for now but we should be open minded to propping up an alternative candidate if a good one is available.
I'd rather let bruce have his victory, weaken his company in terms of hero units, and encourage public outcry against Wayne Industries. If we poor oil on the fire, and then Bane comes in to knock wayne into said fire with his plans, we can create an opportunity for eiling to sweep in and seize company materials and data as "evidence for sanctions against Santa Pisca." This is the time to get wayne to dig it's own grave, not make peace. Plus, that would probably piss off the D'Amaris Twins.
Reilly problems are more than just kryptonite. He's anti big business and wants impose regulations. You think that doesn't extend to the DOMA and other areas. Sure, we can just give him kryptonite, but thats just going to encourage him to come for other techs and such when we unveil them. You honestly think he won't want to take transit stations and proliferate them, also outside our control. He also wants eiling out. I dont like boon but I prefer being the champion against him than rolling over and letting Reilly be the man who did really good things instead while sticking it to big business.
Forget venom and ginko. Splicing could bridge Karl's and Brown's research together then we will have some real progress.
But the thing is that we don't need to wait for Reily to do it.
Just start LexExpo and state that we are willing to sell Kryptonite reactors patents with discount or give them for free because we now have better tech or something along those lines.
Or take collaborate with Wayne Enterprises action and give it to them in exchange for some other market share or collaboration on project that really matters. Better they spend their action on some Kryptonite projects than on pharma and computers. It is one market were the more competition the better it is for us since goal is not monopoly but market saturation.
And I feel like we have better intrigue options than involving ourself with presidential race
If Kryptonians attack Reily would never win with his pro-alien position. Or maybe president Ultrahumanite actions will affect things. Maybe next president too will be president Ultrahumanite just in different meat suit. There is too many mavericks in the waiting and I feel like we can work with any president one way or another.
We can even adapt to Reily anti big business position. We are in competition with Wayne and other companies so we just need to make sure that they look worse than us, then he would hammer them .
Huh, that's extremely unorthodox for a presidential candidate.
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We aren't going to pass a collaborate action under these circumstances, and given the twins feelings, I'm not sure why we would alienate them by making nice with wayne industries since our arrangement with the twins means we will inevitably end up at odds when we resume pharmaceutical work. For me personally it's entirely off the table.
He's planning to target big business with regulations which will apply to companies in general. He has some life matter he is keeping secret and if we put in the effort we can ruin his chances likely.