Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know

[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you, Mercy, or Oswald. Let Jinx attend with an adult minder, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have one hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) mind and escort Jinx at any time that she is present.
 
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@King crimson we should at least know what these kids did to win the competition, right? What information does Oswald have to work with?
They wrote good essays.

Tomas "Tommy" Lee is a high school student whose family emigrated from Korea and he is now studying to be an engineer.

David Grahm is a smart middle schooler who comes from a poorer neighborhood where crime is rampant.

William Kramer is a college student who skipped ahead a few grades (he's high school age) and is currently learning at a university in Kansas.

I hope that's enough information.
 
They wrote good essays.

Tomas "Tommy" Lee is a high school student whose family emigrated from Korea and he is now studying to be an engineer.

David Grahm is a smart middle schooler who comes from a poorer neighborhood where crime is rampant.

William Kramer is a college student who skipped ahead a few grades (he's high school age) and is currently learning at a university in Kansas.

I hope that's enough information.
Which schools are they at? Gotham, Metropolis, others?
 
@Negation what is the reasoning behind the picks?
[ ] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon

If we manage to get her on an internship and pair her with Smoak, I still want to try to have a search engine to give Ted Kord the finger

[ ] [Ticket] Natasha Irons

She is a genius, multi-talented in many fields, a "must have" for any of our projects.

[ ] [Ticket] Clifford Carmichael

On the other hand...I'll remove him.

[ ] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan

A team player, we do need more Stewardship heroes.

[ ] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett

His dad's a Judge + H'san Natal storyline.

[ ] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti

Dad is ex-Senator, useful + H'san Natal storyline.

[ ] [Ticket] Karen Beecher

Also multi-talented in various sciences.

[ ] [Ticket] Frances Kane

Magnetic powers, wants a normal life. Ideal as our corporate researcher.
 
The First Lexpo Part 1
Oswald Loomis

Oswald was not a nervous man by nature. He'd certainly feel intimidated by certain things but for all of his tendency to fret over some stuff Oswald preferred to be proactive in response to problems and push past any sentiments that would prevent him from moving forward.
In another life, this guy has the balls to be a Superman antagonist despite having no powers and no assets besides practical joke themed mechanical gizmos. I think this is a fair description. :D

Oswald looked over the arrangement of the various displays and platforms being set up in Centennial Park as well as he security arrangements he had swung with the Metropolis police. The expo would be large and spacious with almost all of the presentation areas and booths being spacious and well lit but it also meant that nearly all of the Metropolis Police Department would have to be in attendance to ensure that nothing wrong would happen. There were stations for metal detectors and bags would be checked upon entry. It was necessary though to prevent any tragedies from occurring.
I do hope LexCorp security forces are on scene as well, @King crimson ?

Realizing that the preparations on that end were most likely good on that end, Oswald looked over the list of students that had gotten into the final round for free tickets from his little scholarship program. There were a few good candidates although he ultimately had to make the final cut on who could get in. Oswald prepared to mull it over. He wondered if he could convince Luthor to let Jinx and Cassandra attend this event.
Hmmm. Jinx, yes. Cassandra not yet- if we'd done socialization actions for her, but not right now.

People liked to be entertained. They didn't want to think hard or deep or anything like that. People just wanted to see something cool. They'd worry about the ramifications, specifications and other 'cations later. Roxy was just less pretentious about it then most people on the street. And so Roxy had set it up to be impressive and exciting. Big screens, pyrotechnics, displays and all of the hype people could muster. The focus wasn't on selling the technicalities or the in depth nuances, no it was on selling to the public how impressive it all was. Once the emotions were hooked then people would interpret the data in a way that favored LexCorp and the endless pile of jargon the tech guys liked to throw around would mean something other than a large sludge of boring words.
Roxy has a surprisingly good grasp of PR and people.

Bruce Wayne
Bruce had heard news of Luthor's latest publicity stunt the so called "Lexpo". He still didn't trust the man but he had no time to gather anymore information as to the man's dealings. Nygma had disappeared off the grid after heading to Metropolis and that was concerning in and of itself. It was especially pressing with the reappearance of the Riddler. Bruce believed that this Riddler was not Nygma but rather someone else hijacking the persona to rapidly gain infamy but he wasn't able to rule out a surprise return by Nygma just yet.

Bruce though over this latest event. Lexpo could let him gather more information on Lex Luthor. However he'd have to abandon Gotham to do that and while the city was cleaner than the days of Falcone's heyday, there was still plenty of corruption and crime that would happily take advantage of his absence. On top of that he was still training Dick and didn't want to abandon him halfway through training. He could head out with Dick on his own but that left Gotham wide open to any attacks. He could send Alfred there but then he'd be depriving Dick of one of the greatest pillars of support and strength who was always there for him even when Bruce couldn't be. As such that path wasn't viable either. Fries was preoccupied with saving his wife and while he'd listen to Bruce's request there was no guarantee he wouldn't cause a scene later or abandon the task halfway through. Most concerningly there was always the small possibility that Lex could turn him. The man had already shown no hesitation at poaching Wayne Enterprises employees he thought were useful.

In the end Bruce's mind settled on who to send. Lucius Fox was the ideal candidate. He was loyal above reproach to Bruce and at the same time his contributions to Gotham's recovery did not require him to remain within it. Lex and Lucius had already met in the past and Lex had gone out of his way to try and give Lucius a good impression of himself. He was the right choice to send. Lexpo would reveal more than just what Luthor wanted to show
Oooh. Yeah, Lucius is going to be a tough corporate espionage threat. He bears watching. I also like the process of Wayne thinking his way through which of his hero units he can send- the list of heroes who are really his is probably rather short.

Diana Prince
Director Prince knew that if she wanted to be ready for the future she had to keep her eyes out on Lex Luthor. Her nominal ally while useful and predictable to an extent was also one of the most dangerous men on the planet and was a harbinger of great chaos and change. He was someone who you couldn't afford to underestimate or ignore unless you wished to find yourself stuck in the past.
Well, it's... nice to be respected? Heh.

Diana was working with this man and to some extent she trusted him but she wouldn't take her eyes off of him. To do so would be folly. Lexpo was a chance for him to court more allies and thrust himself into the limelight even more. Diana would observe his endeavors with her own eyes and see which path he took. They were allies yes and while Diana had no intention of letting him subvert the DOMA she also knew that Lex Luthor was necessary for the future she wanted to bring about. Besides Diana would much rather have Lex be working with her than someone more willing to make use of more morally questionable tactics like Amanda. Lexpo was not just an opportunity to stay ahead of the game when gaining knowledge of the billionaires plans and breakthroughs but it was also a chance to see what sort of people were interested in turning the wonders of LexCorp into terrors.
Ok, Assistant Undersecretary Wonder Woman is going to be here in person. Not surprising; she's about an hour's car ride away.

Good news is, if Intergang interrupts the festivities by having giant robots attacks us or something, we've got backup. Bad news is, we're high profile.

Oswald's Scholastic Competition subvote
Oswald has run a competition in which students who passed were eligible to receive tickets for themselves and a chaperone. As such please select as many options as you would like from the list below to win the contest. Note that this is not a guarantee that they will show up but provides them with the opportunity to do so. Please keep your vote in plan format. There is a 1 hour moratorium on voting.
[ ] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon
[ ] [Ticket] Natasha Irons
[ ] [Ticket] Clifford Carmichael
[ ] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan
[ ] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett
[ ] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti
[ ] [Ticket] Karen Beecher
[ ] [Ticket] Frances Kane
[ ] [Ticket] David Grahm
[ ] [Ticket] William Kramer
[ ] [Ticket] Tomas "Tommy" Lee
Ooooh. Good options. I definitely want to invite Barbara and Natasha; the rest are names I don't recognize but will research.

Child Attendance subvote
With Lexpo being such a large event you now have to decide if you want to let Cassandra and Jinx attend it. Plenty could go wrong if they are present but on the other hand it would give people ammunition to use against you if you do not let the children under your care ever leave the building. The choice is yours. Please pick your favorite option from the list below. Please separate your vote on this subvote from any other vote by at least two lines so that it isn't counted as part of the plan vote. Write-ins are available for this subvote although all write-ins are subject to QM approval. There is a 1 hour moratorium on voting
[ ] [Child] Let both Jinx and Cassandra attend with no restrictions
[ ] [Child] Let just Jinx attend with nothing more than a minder
[ ] [Child] Let just Cassandra attend with nothing more than a minder
[ ] [Child] Let both Jinx and Cassandra attend so long as they agree to be escorted by LexCorp security forces at all times
[ ] [Child] Let Jinx attend so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations
[ ] [Child] Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you
[ ] [Child] Write-in
HmmmMM. I'll want to see what other people think about this.
 
I do hope LexCorp security forces are on scene as well, @King crimson ?
Yes but Oswald is not in charge of them (Mercy is coordinating that end of things). Oswald was responsible for getting in contact with the Metropolis police hence why he comments on the arrangements he made.
Roxy has a surprisingly good grasp of PR and people.
I was trying to highlight that Roxy while reckless and foolhardy, is by no means stupid. She understands people (part of why she has a good diplomacy score) and has the capability to be really good at manipulation. She just doesn't care about that stuff and doesn't bother engaging her critical thinking skills all that often. After all that stuffs little more than a vehicle to get what she really wants (adrenaline and thrills). I've learned heavily into the reckless and foolhardy parts of her character and I wanted to take the opportunity to show that Roxy is also really shrewd when she puts in the effort.
I also like the process of Wayne thinking his way through which of his hero units he can send- the list of heroes who are really his is probably rather short.
Thank you for the compliment on Bruce's thinking (I try to give him this very methodical detective-like mindset where he does a sort of Sherlock Holmes deal where he slowly eliminates the impossible before getting to what's possible and then selecting the option he thinks would be optimal from that. Bruce is really tricky to write so I'm glad to see his thought process can off well.

You can count the number of people Bruce fully trusts right now on one hand and two of those individuals will strive to do things their way rather than his making it possible for someone to potentially subvert or mislead them.
 
[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know



[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you, Mercy, or Oswald. Let Jinx attend with an adult minder, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have one hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) mind and escort Jinx at any time that she is present.
 
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As for an interlude I can't give you one on them just yet as the group doesn't quite exist this turn in quest (it certainly could exist in the future and Germany certainly has reason to want its own power armor brigade and they've got enough leftover supertech that they could assemble some relatively quickly)
Hmm. Surely the Nazi-vintage supertech was mostly either looted by the Allies or approaching obsolescence in the present day, mostly? What supertech do you mean?

[ ] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon - Want?
[ ] [Ticket] Natasha Irons - Want
[ ] [Ticket] Clifford Carmichael - pass. We have enough egomaniacs on payroll
[ ] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan - Want.
[ ] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett - Want. His dad's a Judge + H'san Natal storyline.
[ ] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti - Want. Dad is ex-Senator, useful + H'san Natal storyline.
[ ] [Ticket] Karen Beecher - Want.
[ ] [Ticket] Frances Kane - Want.
[ ] [Ticket] David Grahm -????
[ ] [Ticket] William Kramer - ???
[ ] [Ticket] Tomas "Tommy" Lee - ??? Hush?
Hmm. Not sure I agree on Malcolm Duncan... though hiring him on as an intern may reduce the risk of him successfully becoming coordinator for young superhero teams. :p

Crockett's got some promising brains (ready for college at sixteen isn't supergenius-tier by DCU standards but it's good), and Monetti's powerset is interesting if her background as an alien hybrid likely to develop metahuman powers holds true. This is me agreeing with you by the way.

Karen Beecher, uh, not sure what promise she shows- note that her powers are derived from a suit, and basically make her a knockoff of Marvel's Wasp.

Frances Kane, as "Magenta," has magnetism powers... and a history of mental instability. Not sure we want her around, especially since we're having trouble finding a reliably psychiatrist.

I'm not having any luck with those last three either. Might be OCs (though that is rare with @King crimson ), or they might just be characters so obscure that they don't turn up well in a search with Google or on the big DC wiki.

So I'd drop Malcolm, Karen, and Frances, as likely to be unhelpful or outright liabilities, and take the rest of the list you suggest.

[ ] [Child] Let both Jinx and Cassandra attend so long as they agree to be escorted by LexCorp security forces at all times
[ ] [Child] Write-in: Let both attend with nothing more than a minder so long as they stay well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Note to their Minder: If Cassandra reports someone as suspicious/dangerous, take their picture and report them to Security.
Hmmmmm. Cassandra being out in public could get weird. She's not well socialized yet, remember?

[ ] [Ticket] Karen Beecher

Also multi-talented in various sciences.
Wait she is? The Young Justice site doesn't really provide easily accessible information on that.

[ ] [Ticket] Frances Kane
Magnetic powers, wants a normal life. Ideal as our corporate researcher.
But does she have the intellectual/scientific talent for that?

I was trying to highlight that Roxy while reckless and foolhardy, is by no means stupid. She understands people (part of why she has a good diplomacy score) and has the capability to be really good at manipulation. She just doesn't care about that stuff and doesn't bother engaging her critical thinking skills all that often. After all that stuffs little more than a vehicle to get what she really wants (adrenaline and thrills). I've learned heavily into the reckless and foolhardy parts of her character and I wanted to take the opportunity to show that Roxy is also really shrewd when she puts in the effort.
You've done pretty well at that. It's tricky to write characters who are shrewd and intelligent while also being (as Roxy is) frankly... uncurious and not well educated. Especially for utter nerds such as, well, frankly, most of the demographic this thread's viewerbase comes from. :D

And I think your take on the character is well supported by her canon first DCAU appearance. Roxy is cunning and tricky enough to get the better of Batman at least once, and to recognize when she's overplayed her hand and avoid betrayal by the Penguin. When she wants to think, or is thinking on her feet, she's very effective and resourceful.
 
[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know
- [X] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon
- [X] [Ticket] Natasha Irons
- [X] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan
- [X] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett
- [X] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti
- [X] [Ticket] Karen Beecher
- [X] [Ticket] Frances Kane
- [X] [Ticket] David Grahm
- [X] [Ticket] William Kramer
- [X] [Ticket] Tomas "Tommy" Lee

[X] [Child] Let both Jinx and Cassandra attend so long as they agree to be escorted by LexCorp security forces at all times
[X] [Child] Write-in: Let both attend with nothing more than a minder so long as they stay well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Note to their Minder: If Cassandra reports someone as suspicious/dangerous, take their picture and report them to Security.
 
@King crimson , how about this write-in?

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[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you. Let Jinx attend with an adult escort, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have a hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) to escort Jinx while she is present.

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[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know
- [X] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon
- [X] [Ticket] Natasha Irons
- [X] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan
- [X] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett
- [X] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti
- [X] [Ticket] Karen Beecher
- [X] [Ticket] Frances Kane
- [X] [Ticket] David Grahm
- [X] [Ticket] William Kramer
- [X] [Ticket] Tomas "Tommy" Lee
 
Hmm. Surely the Nazi-vintage supertech was mostly either looted by the Allies or approaching obsolescence in the present day, mostly? What supertech do you mean?
It was mostly looted but some of the knowledge was maintained and some caches were kept. They had 6+ years of experimental development of this stuff and so while they are behind on the US and Russia who have stayed at the top of the game, they are better off then most other countries. Plus the fact that east and west German was a hotbed of spies in the Cold War means that more secrets got lost in the area only to be recovered later.

Considering the Nazi's had War-Wheels and the Murder Machine they had some impressive tech (most notably all of the parts of the Murder Machine was not collected by the Allies meaning Germany has been sitting on the secrets of a giant robot for a while).
Might be OCs (though that is rare with @King crimson ),
They are not OC's although they are incredibly minor characters and I had to adapt them a fair bit. Kramer for example was Clark Kent's roommate in college who the other roommates didn't like and the other two are all equally obscure characters.
@King crimson , how about this write-in?

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[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you. Let Jinx attend with an adult escort, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have a hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) to escort Jinx while she is present.
The write in is fine
 
[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know

[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you, Mercy, or Oswald. Let Jinx attend with an adult minder, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have one hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) mind and escort Jinx at any time that she is present.
 
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Ahahaha, Fries is Wayne's Ivo, he threatens to abandon plans and act on his own if he's not put on the "Study how to heal McGregor's Syndrome" action.
 
You can count the number of people Bruce fully trusts right now on one hand and two of those individuals will strive to do things their way rather than his making it possible for someone to potentially subvert or mislead them.
That sounds an awful lot like our relationship with the Riddler. Maybe we could bond over that when he finally makes time to look into it.
Hmmm. Jinx, yes. Cassandra not yet- if we'd done socialization actions for her, but not right now.
We haven't had any real problems with her since Mercy got her to stop breaking everyone's guns. It should be fine as long as she's just exploring the expo and not expected to make an impression on anyone, right?

I think she shouldn't have security, since that would draw unwanted attention to her, but a minder should be fine for that.

Keeping her with us would mean there's a lot of us doing business that she's just kind of there for. I think she'd be better off with us trusting Pamela with her, at least while we're occupied.
 
Found David Grahm.
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David Grahm (Earth-One)

While my gang executes the crimes I lay out for them... I establish an alibi for myself here on campus! A perfect system! David Grahm David Ghram was a young gang boss pretending to be a normal student making post-grad work in Criminal Sociology at Vandyre University. As part of a plan to...
Tommy Lee
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Tommy Lee (Earth-One)

Tommy Lee was a student at Metropolis University, and a friend of Clark Kent and Lana Lang during their college years. Tommy was roommates with Clark Kent, hippie Ducky Ginsberg,[2] Dave Hammond and Billy Cramer.[3] This version of Tommy Lee, including all history and corresponding appearances...
William Cramer
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William Cramer (Earth-One)

Billy Cramer was a friend of Clark Kent at Metropolis University. Billy is the son of Fred and Alice Cramer of Smallville. After graduating from Smallville High School, Billy was a freshman at Metropolis University. Back in Smallville he was told by Smallville High teacher Miss Hart to look up...
 
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It was mostly looted but some of the knowledge was maintained and some caches were kept. They had 6+ years of experimental development of this stuff and so while they are behind on the US and Russia who have stayed at the top of the game, they are better off then most other countries. Plus the fact that east and west German was a hotbed of spies in the Cold War means that more secrets got lost in the area only to be recovered later.
All true, all true.

Considering the Nazi's had War-Wheels and the Murder Machine they had some impressive tech (most notably all of the parts of the Murder Machine was not collected by the Allies meaning Germany has been sitting on the secrets of a giant robot for a while).
Eh, true. At the same time, the War Wheel and the Murder Machine were designed in a different age when military weaponry was less powerful and active metahumans, while certainly around, didn't seem to include Superman-tier threats. So their vaunted 'immunity' and armor resilience might have proven rather less impressive.

Sure the Blackhawks struggled to bring down a War Wheel in 1940 Belgium, but if they'd been flying in late-WWII planes and in a position to light the thing up with five-inch shaped charge rockets, things might have been very different there.

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So in general, a priori, I would be surprised if they'd hold up well against modern tech in the hands of people who'd had a little time to prepare for the threat. But then, I like shutting down the "Nazi superweapon" trope, or at least restricting it to "those things were a threat in the WWII era but were matched or superseded by future developments."

Sort of like how the dreaded "Nazi superweapon" jet aircraft, even the ones that never made it off the drawing board, weren't really superior to aircraft like the F-86 Sabre and MiG-15 that the Allies were pretty much already working on in the timeframe of 1945-46. Or how the "Nazi superweapon" tanks were at best competitive with designs the Americans and Soviets were working on. None of their real life stuff would have been superior if it had been deployed during or after, say, the Korean War.

You're free to rule otherwise, and there is a long tradition in DC of revived Nazi equipment being a threat even when it logically shouldn't, so I don't blame you for it. But that's my take.

They are not OC's although they are incredibly minor characters and I had to adapt them a fair bit. Kramer for example was Clark Kent's roommate in college who the other roommates didn't like and the other two are all equally obscure characters.
Ahhh. As I thought (about them being incredibly minor characters in need of adaptation).

Hm. Hiring Kramer may then one day give us a bonus to annoying the piss out of Superman? :p

[No wait, because it's implied that he's still in school, while Clark Kent must be graduating college and getting his job at the Daily Planet about now]
 
Found David Grahm.
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David Grahm (Earth-One)

While my gang executes the crimes I lay out for them... I establish an alibi for myself here on campus! A perfect system! David Grahm David Ghram was a young gang boss pretending to be a normal student making post-grad work in Criminal Sociology at Vandyre University. As part of a plan to...
Ah. Nice. If we ever decide to do Project Kr, we can use his D.N.A. instead of Lex's.
 
Ahahaha, Fries is Wayne's Ivo, he threatens to abandon plans and act on his own if he's not put on the "Study how to heal McGregor's Syndrome" action.
In fairness, Fries has a pretty understandable motive, probably more so than Ivo. Ivo was deliberately overlooking or breezing past options for preserving his own life for the sake of perfecting a super-powered robot body. By contrast, Fries isn't pointlessly hampering himself out of sheer pride so much.

Aaand, well. Wayne is right to free that Fries would jump ship if given the chance; we'd move Heaven and Earth to hire him, and we already have a strong cryonics division. Though we might want to hire a doctor hero specifically to work on McGregor's Syndrome, since that's not a condition Fries himself is actually that much of an expert on.

...

Side note:

I've heard an alternate take on Fries, a somewhat darker interpretation of the character. Namely, that the cryogenic freezing procedure he used on Nora killed her, ruptured her cells with freezer-burn, and that he simply refuses to admit that she is for all intents and purposes a frozen corpse, effectively irretrievable. This would explain why despite the enormous proliferation of mad and advanced science in the DCU, and the fact that there are people and entities who would offer him literal deals with the Devil if he's that desperate to bring his wife back... no one has. Because she's dead, not just sick.

That sounds an awful lot like our relationship with the Riddler. Maybe we could bond over that when he finally makes time to look into it.
:D

You know, that would be hilarious.

Alternatively, Lex Luthor villain monologues and brings up a few points, like his relationship with Ivo, and deduces Batman's secret identity just by watching him flinch at key moments that remind Batman of his own problems.

Lex: "Hmm, you know what it's really like, don't you? That... rather sharply limits the number of men you could be..."

Alternative-alternatively:

Lex: "I know, you're Oliver Queen!"

:D :p

We haven't had any real problems with her since Mercy got her to stop breaking everyone's guns. It should be fine as long as she's just exploring the expo and not expected to make an impression on anyone, right?
I mean, she's mostly surrounded by people who know to expect odd behavior from her (like climbing into vents), and she hasn't dealt with large groups of the random public before. Lex is in a good position to fire anyone who sets her off or rings her alarm bells, at LexCorp HQ. Not such a good position at a public exposition.

I think she shouldn't have security, since that would draw unwanted attention to her, but a minder should be fine for that.

Keeping her with us would mean there's a lot of us doing business that she's just kind of there for. I think she'd be better off with us trusting Pamela with her, at least while we're occupied.
Hmmm, that's a fair point except that there's a problem:

King crimson said:
(Cassandra and Pamela get along too well. Pamela has a soft spot for children and folds very easily to anything that Cassandra might want from her. Cassandra on the other hand will exploit this for all it's worth and will not focus on any tasks she is given choosing instead to indulge in Pamela's kindness. The two will have a lot of fun spending time with each other but they will not be productive at all when it comes to working as they'll drive each other to distraction)
Their co-op score is -0.2, for this reason. Basically, Pamela is too indulgent to make a good minder for Cassandra.

Still, you're not wrong as such.

@Silvereagle21
@Void Stalker

Amending my write-in to the version seen below (keeping Cassandra with Lex, Mercy, or Oswald. Mercy and Oswald are the only two 'inner circle' hero units who have high co-op with her and who are a good choice to mind a child)



[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you, Mercy, or Oswald. Let Jinx attend with an adult minder, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have one hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) mind and escort Jinx at any time that she is present.

[Clarification; I'm not saying it needs to be the same person escorting Jinx every time, or all the time- just one off that list]

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[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know
- [X] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon
- [X] [Ticket] Natasha Irons
- [X] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan
- [X] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett
- [X] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti
- [X] [Ticket] Karen Beecher
- [X] [Ticket] Frances Kane
- [X] [Ticket] David Grahm
- [X] [Ticket] William Kramer
- [X] [Ticket] Tomas "Tommy" Lee
 
Changing the vote about Jin and Cass.

[X] Plan: What you know & Who you know
- [X] [Ticket] Barbara Gordon
- [X] [Ticket] Natasha Irons
- [X] [Ticket] Malcom Duncan
- [X] [Ticket] Isaiah Crockett
- [X] [Ticket] Antonia Monetti
- [X] [Ticket] Karen Beecher
- [X] [Ticket] Frances Kane
- [X] [Ticket] David Grahm
- [X] [Ticket] William Kramer
- [X] [Ticket] Tomas "Tommy" Lee

[X] [Child] Write-in: Let Cassandra attend so long as she always stays with you, Mercy, or Oswald. Let Jinx attend with an adult minder, so long as she stays well away from the more volatile booths and stations. Have one hero unit with reasonably good Jinx co-op and Martial stats (Lisa, Roxanne, Pamela, or Mick) mind and escort Jinx at any time that she is present.
 
Eh, true. At the same time, the War Wheel and the Murder Machine were designed in a different age when military weaponry was less powerful and active metahumans, while certainly around, didn't seem to include Superman-tier threats. So their vaunted 'immunity' and armor resilience might have proven rather less impressive.

Sure the Blackhawks struggled to bring down a War Wheel in 1940 Belgium, but if they'd been flying in late-WWII planes and in a position to light the thing up with five-inch shaped charge rockets, things might have been very different there.

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So in general, a priori, I would be surprised if they'd hold up well against modern tech in the hands of people who'd had a little time to prepare for the threat. But then, I like shutting down the "Nazi superweapon" trope, or at least restricting it to "those things were a threat in the WWII era but were matched or superseded by future developments."

Sort of like how the dreaded "Nazi superweapon" jet aircraft, even the ones that never made it off the drawing board, weren't really superior to aircraft like the F-86 Sabre and MiG-15 that the Allies were pretty much already working on in the timeframe of 1945-46. Or how the "Nazi superweapon" tanks were at best competitive with designs the Americans and Soviets were working on. None of their real life stuff would have been superior if it had been deployed during or after, say, the Korean War.

You're free to rule otherwise, and there is a long tradition in DC of revived Nazi equipment being a threat even when it logically shouldn't, so I don't blame you for it. But that's my take.
So I'll briefly give my own take on this bit. War-Wheel's are not at all practical even during the Cold War they were rapidly outclassed by T.O. Morrow's work with the Russian's (War-Wheel's a lot less effective when you have forces that can more effectively tip it over and cause its whole system to fail).

The Murder Machine was a huge failure on multiple levels (one of the designers was coerced into aiding its construction for the Nazi's so he threw in a glitch that caused it to detect everyone as an enemy and thus try to murder everyone and everything) but it was a terror to deal with and forced both Allied and Axis powers to temporarily put aside their differences or they'd all die. The Murder Machine if it were recreated would still be a massive threat (as in it could go a few rounds with Ignition and the Rocket Reds) but it has glitchy programming that can be exploited and it is really big making it not maneuverable and it is slow. This effectively means that in the modern era its threat can be neutralized by simply evacuating the area and simply repeatedly hitting it with long ranged missiles (it doesn't attempt to hit things that are non organic). On top of that Superman or Flash or Wonder Woman utterly wrecks it since it just doesn't have the firepower to put them down. You also have to deal with the issue of the Murder Machine immediately turning on you making it impossible to incorporate in military strategy.

The main upside of these things is that the leftover remnants of it give Germany an accelerated tech boost to work off of. The Murder Machine and War-Wheels most effective contribution is that it lets Germany skip some steps in figuring out how to make their own power armor hence why they were able to catch up to the two superpowers of the time so rapidly. Both of these things even if they were transplanted into the modern day they would fail and fall to conventional weaponry.

None of the Nazi tech remained superior to what came later (England, Russia and the USA all vastly outstripped it in supertech) but because most of the rest of the world was utterly unaware of the existence of this technology Germany has a leg up on the rest of them as it can more rapidly catch up to the point the world leaders in technology are currently at.

In all honesty the thing that has held up the best out of all of the Nazi's various secret superweapons are their magical ones and that was almost always stuff they cribbed from long ago that someone else made (Lance of Longinus, Lords of Chaos, Werewolves, Zombie legions and Vandal Savage's stuff). Basically the only Nazi superweapons that held up the test of time in universe are things that stood the test of time before the Nazi's got them.

That clarify my position at all?
 
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