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Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%

  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%

  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%

  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%

  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%

  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%

  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%
  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
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Negentropy said:
I'm just not sure that would work out as since the full workings are open for everyone, certain actors would immediately try to replicate 'residual effects' which we would have to explain to be credible and very quickly they would test whatever we makeup and find it to be false. I mean if we sat on it until we developed such effects then maybe we could slip that factor in but then there would be a lot of questions as to why we wait to leak for so long and it would be even harder to cover up how long ago the journal was taken considering it would stop by a certain date and Woodrue himself could object and creating more false entries would open up a whole nother can of worms to cover up...

Plus to reveal such a powerful weapon (were we to develop 'residual effects') just to further discredit Lois seems wasteful, as it would have such great potential be a secret weapon.
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Oh that is easy. Have it be "verified" by bribable scientists outside the company and say it was destroyed. In fact, they could have it be semi public where all present can see it was destroyed and have full, open camera footage showing it's containment at all times for further proof we are not using it or duplicating it.





Seriously, this is a golden opportunity to make Louis end up unable to touch us.



If we cast it as willpower thing thing as suggested above where Pamela's was "Obey me" then the residual effects do not work as the one she was meant to obey will tragically die from a failed test of the pheromones a few hours after our release of the info.

Thus she is no longer a threat.... Others such a Louis would still be effected as hers was not contingent on the poor doctor's status.

If we offer a "support fund" for those effected we can even come out as trying to help these "poor effected individuals"


EDIT: Perhaps frame it as a test of seeing how much he could effect negative emotions such as rage or things such as impulse control. This lead to them killing him due to acting on their first thought (kill the annoying man) or because the small girl he thought was to weak to hurt him had a pocket knife or a gun in her purse.
 
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We could just censor certain ingredients or replace them or dilute them so that the pheromones doesn't work as effectively or needed to have a noticeable amount for it to be effective. The 1st impressions stick to the public mind much longer even when it is disproved later, just look at essential oils and antivaxx. So when scientists try to replicate it and failed and published their findings, just ask why do you want to experiment with it? Sure everyone will know we have the right formula but by the time a research paper is released, the public would have lost interest a long time ago and we can say that since Pamela is the original creator of the formula and she now worked for Lex Corp we could patent that chemical formula so that no one other than us can use it as we will not be selling that.
 
Ouch, That was a quite bad set of rolls...

[X] [Leak] Leak nothing but Woodrue's most obvious offenses
[X] [PR] Do it Yourself

I am not very happy to waste and action. But those candidates may be worse than no PR representative. Lets pretend that we just failed the roll. I think that exclusive knowledge about pheromone valuable and I still think that other players worry about getting good PR too much.
 
Ukrainian Ranger said:
Ouch, That was a quite bad set of rolls...

[X] [Leak] Leak nothing but Woodrue's most obvious offenses
[X] [PR] Do it Yourself

I am not very happy to waste and action. But those candidates may be worse than no PR representative. Lets pretend that we just failed the roll. I think that exclusive knowledge about pheromone valuable and I still think that other players worry about getting good PR too much.
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Revealing everything would massively boost Pamela's opinion of us too, I imagine.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
We could just censor certain ingredients or replace them or dilute them so that the pheromones doesn't work as effectively or needed to have a noticeable amount for it to be effective. The 1st impressions stick to the public mind much longer even when it is disproved later, just look at essential oils and antivaxx. So when scientists try to replicate it and failed and published their findings, just ask why do you want to experiment with it? Sure everyone will know we have the right formula but by the time a research paper is released, the public would have lost interest a long time ago and we can say that since Pamela is the original creator of the formula and she now worked for Lex Corp we could patent that chemical formula so that no one other than us can use it as we will not be selling that.
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Oh good idea! Censoring it to prevent people from copying the man would be perfectly reasonable thing to do especially if we play it off as us being concerned that someone would also try and use it to control others like woodrow did.
 
Pathetic King said:
...Why did we hire Ivo again? :eyebrow:

Whatever, I just hope the dude pays off when it comes to Learning.
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For the A.M.A.Z.O Project, full stop. This has the potential not only to beat the Justice League but also may possibly be able to confront the Guardians of the Universe (Green Lantern Corp's bosses) at full power. This could be our ticket to immortality, to Post-Humanism. And quite frankly the potential is so great that we can't afford someone else to create this tech first.
 
Nicholas Brooks said:
I wish I found this quest earlier so I could vote for Atom or the maker of the Metal Men.
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A lot of people, myself included, wanted Amazo to be our Ace. Having an Amazo squad? that can copy metahuman powers, Alien tech like Lantern Rings, Superman, and Magic? we would be unstoppable.

lockingbane said:
Oh good idea! Censoring it to prevent people from copying the man would be perfectly reasonable thing to do especially if we play it off as us being concerned that someone would also try and use it to control others like woodrow did.
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... are you being sarcastic? it feels like its sarcastic
 
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@King crimson can we reveal everything yet also censor or give a formula that doesn't work? And is Pamela leading an expedition to find a new product a Learning action?
 
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Pathetic King said:
Yeah those are the guys I voted for. I suspect w
that Magnus would have been a more cooperative and just as talented option. But what's done is done I guess.
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We could hire them anytime. The "Recruit Scientists" option is still there. But I do think that more of them will be replaced the longer we wait.
 
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Leaking nothing is a bad choice imo since it wastes Luthor's contribution on the entire roll when we could had used him on a more important action (like, say, the assassin investigation or convincing Lucy Lane to join or finding a PR representative) (why do I say this? Well, I'm saying this because I believe that while a 66 would not have been as good as an 89, it would had still been more than enough to ruin Woodrow's reputation, just that we might have not found out about the pheromones).
 
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lockingbane said:
Oh good idea! Censoring it to prevent people from copying the man would be perfectly reasonable thing to do especially if we play it off as us being concerned that someone would also try and use it to control others like woodrow did.
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Sure, but then the government comes knocking, and they will want to know, and no matter how good our security is, no matter how important LexCorp weapons are if they think we are hiding chemical weapons from them then they could well attack and overwhelm us and then we will be in a whole nother area of strife. And people won't side with us over the government (not yet anyway) over who should control such weapons.

We may want to always have a learning option form now on to use Ivo to his best (and keep him busy).
 
Negentropy said:
For the A.M.A.Z.O Project, full stop. This has the potential not only to beat the Justice League but also may possibly be able to confront the Guardians of the Universe (Green Lantern Corp's bosses) at full power. This could be our ticket to immortality, to Post-Humanism. And quite frankly the potential is so great that we can't afford someone else to create this tech first.
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Yes. And we should assign him to that every turn if we want to get there.

Another option is to use him for a few turns on robotics\cybernetics, extract value and then, before he pissed enough to leave, arrange an accident.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
@King crimson can we reveal everything yet also censor or give a formula that doesn't work?
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I'll state this once again. If you leak this stuff governments are going to start investigating. Yes you can fake stuff or censor information but the us does not want that information (which could severely pact the country) in the hands of a private citizen. You have to be wary of more than just the public. On top of that every two bit supervillain who doesn't have it work will come gunning after you, Woodrue or Pamela. This isn't a vote where you can get the best of both worlds. Not commiting to an option is more liable to fuck you over than it is to help you. I try to leave in every good option that I can think of for you to take. If an option is not available it might mean that I figured the results were so suboptimal it would be a trap option which I am not a fan of.
 
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Negentropy said:
Sure, but then the government comes knocking, and they will want to know, and no matter how good our security is, no matter how important LexCorp weapons are if they think we are hiding chemical weapons from them then they could well attack and overwhelm us and then we will be in a whole nother area of strife. And people won't side with us over the government (not yet anyway) over who should control such weapon
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The Pheromones aren't lethal, they make the target more suggestible. The Government would want to have that, so why don't we just have a joint project with the government instead. With it their agents can have a Really Effective method to get information and install double agents. Heck Mk.Ultra 2 is a possibility with Pamela's formula.
 
Warmach1ne32 said:
A lot of people, myself included, wanted Amazo to be our Ace. Having an Amazo squad? that can copy metahuman powers, Alien tech like Lantern Rings, Superman, and Magic? we would be unstoppable.
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Negentropy said:
For the A.M.A.Z.O Project, full stop. This has the potential not only to beat the Justice League but also may possibly be able to confront the Guardians of the Universe (Green Lantern Corp's bosses) at full power. This could be our ticket to immortality, to Post-Humanism. And quite frankly the potential is so great that we can't afford someone else to create this tech first.
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Perhaps I'm focusing too much on the negative. I just wish his arrogance manifested in less unhelpful ways but really who doesn't.

[X] [Leak] Leak nothing but Woodrue's most obvious offenses
[X] [PR] Do it Yourself
 
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Negentropy said:
Sure, but then the government comes knocking, and they will want to know, and no matter how good our security is, no matter how important LexCorp weapons are if they think we are hiding chemical weapons from them then they could well attack and overwhelm us and then we will be in a whole nother area of strife. And people won't side with us over the government (not yet anyway) over who should control such weapons.

We may want to always have a learning option form now on to use Ivo to his best (and keep him busy).
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When the government comes knocking, officially we reluctantly comply and make a show of it.... while recording that we are being forced for when it inevitably gets out. All we have to do when it gets out that we shared it is say we had no choice and show the recording.

And if every villian is coming after pamela we just have to increase security and maybe give her the means to defend herself.

Woodrow is to be slated to die simply as a matter of course as he is to big a risk to leave alive.

Warmach1ne32 said:
The Pheromones aren't lethal, they make the target more suggestible. The Government would want to have that, so why don't we just have a joint project with the government instead. With it their agents can have a Really Effective method to get information and install double agents. Heck Mk.Ultra 2 is a possibility with Pamela's formula.
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They would have blackmail then.

It is easier just to have a recording of them forcing us and us making a show of not wanting to do so but doing it as we have no choice in the matter.
 
King crimson said:
I'll state this once again. If you leak this stuff governments are going to start investigating. Yes you can fake stuff or censor information but the us does not want that information (which could severely pact the country) in the hands of a private citizen. You have to be wary of more than just the public. On top of that every two bit supervillain who doesn't have it work will come gunning after you, Woodrue or Pamela. This isn't a vote where you can get the best of both worlds. Not commiting to an option is more liable to fuck you over than it is to help you.
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And plus we should remember if we then leave Woodrue out to dry he will be the weak link they gun for, and then the weapon will be in the hands of only hostile forces.

I think we should disclose it and they look into manufacturing and selling it to select countries we want to get close with, in particular, the US. We won't be the only ones but since Pamela is with us the next generation of this tech will likely come from us and then we can overtake any competitors. Plus help along our weapons manufacturing arm.

Edit: Sure, we can try to kill Woodrue, but we should be prepared that this fails, not because it would but because it could and then we would be stuck back at square one. We shouldn't take risks we can't afford to lose if we don't have to, even if we have a chance to succeed.
 
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Warmach1ne32 said:
The Pheromones aren't lethal, they make the target more suggestible. The Government would want to have that, so why don't we just have a joint project with the government instead. With it their agents can have a Really Effective method to get information and install double agents. Heck Mk.Ultra 2 is a possibility with Pamela's formula.
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Other governments besides the Chinese government exist. The US having viable mind control tech would destabilize world politics on a massive level.

If you are absolutely sure you want to go this route then you can but I will warn you the consequences will get ugly fast.
 
Pathetic King said:
Perhaps I'm focusing too much on the negative. I just wish his arrogance manifested in less unhelpful ways but really who doesn't.
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Well, let's be honest, if Ivo wasn't assigned to the security, failed roll would result in another negative effect. That -0.2 cooperation with Mercy isn't that important. But Ivo must have learning options. I hope players will take this into account and vote for learning actions.
 
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