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Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%

  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%

  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%

  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%

  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%

  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%

  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%
  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
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Fight Club 20 said:
I know, but I forgot his name.
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The point is that there's a lot different. We're not playing on any of the Canon Earths so it's given the QM a reason to change stuff around when he wants.

King crimson said:
The Serpent Society is a Marvel comics entity who aren't really terrorists but do use reptile themed villains

You're getting them confused with the Kobra cult, who are a snake themed terrorist group who also make use of non-snake supervillains and are DC characters
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To be fair, everyone's evil snake cults are all the same. Reptiles will inherit the earth, all hail our glorious leader, etc.

I blame Thulsa Doom. . .
 
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King crimson said:
The Serpent Society is a Marvel comics entity who aren't really terrorists but do use reptile themed villains

You're getting them confused with the Kobra cult, who are a snake themed terrorist group who also make use of non-snake supervillains.
I'd like to tone down the statement from "usually impossible" to something a little less harsh (for example Sam learned magic and he's of a similar age) but it's exceptionally difficult for Lex Luthor because of who he is and the way he grew up and views the world.

Lex specifically has a harder time with magic than most people would because of his mindset.
Sam got it because he fundamentally didn't understand how mirrors work. Sam fundamentally misunderstands how reality works and uses magic to bend reality to match his misunderstanding.

Lex fundamentally cannot do the same thing because he knows how the world works and because any attempt he'd have in using magic, causes him to look for underlying principles which aren't there, thus causing him to view magic as an "impossibility made manifest" which in turn makes it impossible for him

Edit: the reason why most magic users need to learn magic as children is that their mindset is more malleable. They have a lot more latitude to reject mental schemas of reality and compensate with magic to make their own than adults do. Lex inherently needs to combat his own way of thinking about things in order to use magic and that's very difficult to do.
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I guess, so I thought Lex Luthor see impossible things, demons, and vampires, a lot of around here he changed his Outlook
 
Fight Club 20 said:
I guess, so I thought Lex Luthor see impossible things, demons, and vampires, a lot of around here he changed his Outlook
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Outlook is not the same as mindset. Lex knows that these things exist. He's not ignorant to their presence but unlike a lot of impossible things (metahumans, aliens, speed force, emotional spectrum etc.), magic lacks an internally consistent set of rules or principles and that's what makes it difficult (both to replicate and for Lex to learn). The very thing that makes him good at understanding virtually everything else works against him with understanding magic as his way of thinking about the world is counterproductive to learning magic.

Edit: Lex won't dismiss magic as an impossibility but at the same time he struggles to understand how magic actually works because he's attempting to apply standards to it that work on virtually everything else in the universe but magic because that's how he understands the world and it has never really failed him with anything but magic.
 
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I'm wondering, how to make virtual reality and how many turns is going to take to make it.
 
Fight Club 20 said:
I'm wondering, how to make virtual reality and how many turns is going to take to make it.
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VR is lower on our priorities right now. We currently have an advantage with holograms so Augmented Reality (AR) games will have a way lower DC.

I still want Lightyear Entertainment to have it's in-Quest version of Yu-Gi-Oh! and us with actual Duel Discs to flood the market.
 
Negation said:
VR is lower on our priorities right now. We currently have an advantage with holograms so Augmented Reality (AR) games will have a way lower DC.

I still want Lightyear Entertainment to have it's in-Quest version of Yu-Gi-Oh! and us with actual Duel Discs to flood the market.
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We can make homeless shelters for other cities.
 
Negation said:
Japanese waters or Disputed Waters? Because if falls into a 4-way diplomatic shitshow between Japan/China/Philippines/Taiwan, it will not be worth it.
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If it's in Japanese waters then great, they'd probably be willing to give it to us on a silver platter, but even if it's not it's probably still worth it to own the last refuse of dinosaurs because there's so many ways we could use that

As for if it's in disputed waters I highly doubt that because most of the disputed waters in Asia is in the South China Sea, where Dinosaur Island definitely isn't, and if we're being perfectly honest it's most likely that Dinosaur Island isn't in any country's territory because iirc anything further out than 24 miles from the shore is international waters and if it was that close I'm pretty sure people would know about it

That being said I'm not really sure how you go about buying an undiscovered island in international waters, would we be able to @King crimson
Fight Club 20 said:
I guess, so I thought Lex Luthor see impossible things, demons, and vampires, a lot of around here he changed his Outlook
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The way it's been described before is that magic works however the person using it thinks magic works, because Lex is looking for an underlying set of scientific rules and fails to find any he believes that it shouldn't work which makes it more difficult for him to use magic

Once we finally buckle down and take the action to teach Lex magic, put a good team on it and get a good roll Lex would learn to use magic based off of his own self-created rules
Fight Club 20 said:
I'm wondering, how to make virtual reality and how many turns is going to take to make it.
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We have a lot of priorities right now so probably not anytime soon but like Negation said we do have some avenues we can explore into that, especially with the Atlantean holo-book to research
Negation said:
I still want Lightyear Entertainment to have it's in-Quest version of Yu-Gi-Oh! and us with actual Duel Discs to flood the market.
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I also want something like that and I think our best chances of getting it is:

1) Have Frost work on the holo-book at some point and improve our hologram technology
2) At some point put him and Felicity on creating our own video games
 
jonasquinn said:
I also want something like that and I think our best chances of getting it is:

1) Have Frost work on the holo-book at some point and improve our hologram technology
2) At some point put him and Felicity on creating our own video games
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I prefer a Frost + Smoak + Gordon super-Colab to develop the technology, then have Ozzy + Carl + Nigma to develop the game.

We can then have Veronica Cale handle the distribution since she has the infrastructure and experience.
 
Negation said:
I prefer a Frost + Smoak + Gordon super-Colab to develop the technology, then have Ozzy + Carl + Nigma to develop the game.

We can then have Veronica Cale handle the distribution since she has the infrastructure and experience.
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I'm not sure if we'd need a collab that big to get the tech we want, especially with the field getting a boost from the holo-book just by itself

As for the game I think we'd need to put Frost on it, we know that the person assigned to ana cation effects the results of that action and if we want a video game that incorporates holograms he's out bets bet
 
jonasquinn said:
I'm not sure if we'd need a collab that big to get the tech we want, especially with the field getting a boost from the holo-book just by itself

As for the game I think we'd need to put Frost on it, we know that the person assigned to ana cation effects the results of that action and if we want a video game that incorporates holograms he's out bets bet
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I prefer Super-colabs because the bigger the rolls, the greater mark we make in-quest. Also the the results may grant Hero Units beneficial traits and Co-Op scores which are always useful.

Bare Sucesses have only minor influences and minor DC reductions for other actions.
 
Negation said:
I prefer Super-colabs because the bigger the rolls, the greater mark we make in-quest. Also the the results may grant Hero Units beneficial traits and Co-Op scores which are always useful.

Bare Sucesses have only minor influences and minor DC reductions for other actions.
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I get where you're coming from but Frost would already get more than a minor success just by himself, he provides a +25 to any Learning roll when he's alone and reduces the DC to 10 and that's before any extra bonuses from the holo-book

I'd be all for having Barbara work on it with him to take the bonus up to +33 but I feel like adding Felicity on to that would be too much since we'd be giving up both our best Stewardship heroes for it
 
Fight Club 20 said:
At @King crimson it'll will be easier like on Magic, or stay the same?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. Negation's statement while getting at some of the difficulty with the mindset of learning magic, oversimplifies things. After all you can procedurally learn art and replicate other people's creations with the scientific method. You cannot do so with magic.

It can get easier to do magic but almost no matter what, unless Lex has a massive shift in mindset, you're likely not going to have a significantly easier time learning magic on your own. Learning more about music would not make it easier to learn about magic.
 
King crimson said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. Negation's statement while getting at some of the difficulty with the mindset of learning magic, oversimplifies things. After all you can procedurally learn art and replicate other people's creations with the scientific method. You cannot do so with magic.

It can get easier to do magic but almost no matter what, unless Lex has a massive shift in mindset, you're likely not going to have a significantly easier time learning magic on your own. Learning more about music would not make it easier to learn about magic.
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I guess, we need to keep trying to have random roll of a dice. After all magic is powerful.
 
At King crimson. Are you almost finishing the chapter? no rush though, I'm so excited about it?
 
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