It definitely would, yes.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
For Meridian? Absolutely. Remember we can't make incremental progress on a Meridian, it's all or nothing, and +7 is bigger then +5 to begin with. While EPC is overall better, it's absolutely worse for opening Meridians.
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- United States of America
I think for the most part we are getting there but for the past few weeks it's been li suyin actions taking a garuenteed slot for social, with bai gu and han being strong contenders for the others since we've seen more of their character and wanted to see more.
We really haven't seen too much of Su but as our baby will likely be born soon her actions will be far more valuable and votes for her will shoot up exponentially.
Once we friend her up some and possibly get her tragic backstory (cmon do you really think sv is gonna leave the fox eared girl alone once they hear the actual story of her horrible childhood and how she wants revenge on her mom. The second she cries she's going in the hug box like they did with li suyin)
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- United States of America
Well, actually we shouldn't need the +7 from AS for Meridians. We will be able to get, on average, the last meridian opened without the use of Highsun Pill or Sable Light Pill. So if we add those pills and a tutor that week, we should honestly be fine if we go for the last 5 or 6 meridians in one week.
I could see maybe switching back for a turn where the reroll is absolutely crucial, but I'm not sure opening a meridian qualifies. We just got a hint last update that there's something hidden on the jade slip, and if it was basically a test to see if we could progress far enough in the other three arts as seems likely- that reward for passing the test is probably crazy.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
I wouldn't switch back for more then a turn, no. EPC is already better then AS in a number of ways, but the bonus is absolutely meaningful. Without spending a yellow stone we start out +2 to open Meridians AND get a reroll which is good on Meridian rolls because they can fail. Spending a Yellow Stone gets us 7 more dice, which is roughly four more successes, which means four more 'safe to get' meridians.
Like, think of it like this, EPC effectively is like haven't four more Meridians open, only we can't slot anything into them. That's how big a difference it makes.
How many Meridians are you counting on us needing? Because frankly however many we get, we could still use more.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] Plan Politics, the Necessary Evil
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- United States of America
Yeah, we could always use more. The benchmark that I was shooting for was 30. Wait a moment.....
I'm going to go redo the math. I think I messed up the final calculations.
Edit: I take everything back. We need all the help we can get in order to pass that last Meridian checkpoint on average. Right now with a tutor and AS we barely make it to clear the meridian on average.
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Each time the acrimony of a debate is invoked like this, as a motivation in and of itself to take a particular action, the thread drifts further from peace, stability, fun, and the freedom to advocate honestly for one's preferences without fear. Not calling you out, just an observation I think we can all benefit from.
I was the first person to vote for Ashen Shadow, because I am a handsome brilliant man with exceptional taste, but it was a means to an end, if a super rad one. Several ends, really, including being super rad. It was not, however, an end of itself, and many of my goals at the time are now ill-served by pursuing it. This is a tad annoying, but it's also unavoidable.
Perhaps, Ashen Shadow my love, we will meet again in the future. Or, perhaps I will find a new love, a love truer to greater depths than I had conceived possible on our first fleeting encounter. As a wise man once said "Nah bby the future is nebulous and uncertain. Punch it in the face". In the meantime....
[X] Plan For Progress
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Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
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Do you mind estimating how far we get with doubling up on actions for a meridian (or tripling)? Assuming using only easily obtainable bonuses. (so probably not the tutor bonus)Yeah, we could always use more. The benchmark that I was shooting for was 30. Wait a moment.....
I'm going to go redo the math. I think I messed up the final calculations.
Edit: I take everything back. We need all the help we can get in order to pass that last Meridian checkpoint on average. Right now with a tutor and AS we barely make it to clear the meridian on average.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Yeah, we could always use more. The benchmark that I was shooting for was 30. Wait a moment.....
I'm going to go redo the math. I think I messed up the final calculations.
While I'm not going to make a big art push before late yellow/silver, maximizing our current arts + ASA will probably take about 27 Meridians. That's a very very very lose guess with a bunch of salt added (the dubious kind, not the bitter kind).
So lets say we want the successor to Zephyr's breath. I don't actually, but I do want a 2-3 meridian wind art we can slot over Zephyr's breath so it's almost the same thing, but let's use that as an example.
That will add somewhere between another three to six Meridians, pushing us to 30-33 range. Then we pick up a music art. One Meridian right? 31-34. Only lets say the art give big bonuses to expression rolls so we level it up a big bonus. Lets say another one to two. 32-36. And we still don't have a soak booster. I'll actually push for a higher floor art for that, so that we can get more on few. Lets call that a level three Spine Meridan art that starts at one spine and has 5 levels. 35-39.
Now, most of that I'll only push AFTER we're both late yellow and late silver, so that we aren't under a lot of pressure to cultivate both of those every day. But getting up that high will absolutely take every bonus we have.
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Which is why I want to try to breakthrough twice, right when we reach peak rather then try and break through all three at once. If one of the rolls fails we can keep sending overflow to recover while training arts or opening Meridians. It would also mean that we wouldn't need three actions in a row to all succeed when we finally do break through.
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- United States of America
Sure I can do that.
The base that we will get for a meridian is:
Talent + Pill + Stones =??
6 + 3 + 30 = 39
Doubling up on an action gives us half of that so
39/2 = 19
39 + 19 = 58 dice.
In order to get the last meridian on average, so we would need to throw about 66 dice at it. So that would mean tripling up on the action which would give us
39 + 19 + 19 = 77 dice.
This probably won't be popular, but what would people think about a weapons training action with a tutor? We get put through the paces with a variety of weapons, see what Ling Qi is talented with or not, and get some quicker exp income for some of the lagging yet important masteries, like unarmed. It'd involve a physical cultivation roll as well, no doubt. Plus I want to meet a musclebound soon-to-be Big Bro or Sis.
My first priority for contribution points would actually be the 10 point Formation Lessons though. Formations/Intelligence/Academics exp, and a Formation or two seems like our likely takeaway from it. After gauging success from that, Formations tutoring is tantalizing.
My first priority for contribution points would actually be the 10 point Formation Lessons though. Formations/Intelligence/Academics exp, and a Formation or two seems like our likely takeaway from it. After gauging success from that, Formations tutoring is tantalizing.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- North American Plaguelands
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- She/Her
And?
We're not going to need that anytime soon.
As you said, Meridian progress is binary. If we've got enough to open a meridian, we've got enough.
Sounds good to me, fund it.
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- his hidden lair
Eh, I didn't think my statement was too acrimonious, considering I demonstrated an earnest enthusiasm for FS right after.
The fact is, the vote was close. I don't begrudge anyone for the way things turned out- but I don't think it's unreasonable to push for ARA after accounting for the fact enthusiasm for both was nearly equal.
If other voters feel the same- than cool, we get ASA sooner and can proceed to pat each other on the back more for such cool arts and such an awesome character concept. If not, than other people have different priorities- golly, I never would have guessed.
I stated the priorities that led me to the vote I made, making account of the near tie- if that offends you or you or makes you concerned for the fate of the thread- than okay, but I feel no need to censure myself for this of all things, and I'll be the first to admit I can be an overbearing blowhard that needs to take a step back every now and again.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
We got 15 successes of 45 dice this last turn. There's never 'enough', only margins of safety.
My groups training activity would probably do that. A day for melee, a day for ranged, and so on.
I don't like formations lessons as an option. We already have a 10-sect-point Formations option available: studying in the 1st floor of the archive. Only, we get that for free.
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- United States of America
We also have a five-point formation lesson that lasts for a week. No need to spend 30 points on a tutor for that.
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- United States of America
Sorry I haven't been on but yeah again a question to you @TheLastOne , you are advocating for US to spend our hard earned sect points to train our grout of friends.
Why don't they use their points to hire a tutor and invite us along?
The fact of the matter is that we shouldn't be the one giving everything in the relationships and I would really like to see more actions where our friends invite us to do side quest with them or find areas and other events.
A lot of the socials have literally been "put out this angsty fire now" and frankly it's getting tiring. Thankfully li suyin already expressed a desire to change that.
But I'd like to see more "hey I found this cool place" or "I could use some help doing so and so " socials from our friends @yrsillar
It would feel less exhuasting then the jumping to fire to fire trying to pour water on them before they grow.
Instead it could be occasionally put out fires or being invited to do events and if we are busy no big deal -2relationship points , but if we make it +7rp. Simple things like when Gu invited us to go to the springs. Or when li suyin first asked us to study with her.
Why don't they use their points to hire a tutor and invite us along?
The fact of the matter is that we shouldn't be the one giving everything in the relationships and I would really like to see more actions where our friends invite us to do side quest with them or find areas and other events.
A lot of the socials have literally been "put out this angsty fire now" and frankly it's getting tiring. Thankfully li suyin already expressed a desire to change that.
But I'd like to see more "hey I found this cool place" or "I could use some help doing so and so " socials from our friends @yrsillar
It would feel less exhuasting then the jumping to fire to fire trying to pour water on them before they grow.
Instead it could be occasionally put out fires or being invited to do events and if we are busy no big deal -2relationship points , but if we make it +7rp. Simple things like when Gu invited us to go to the springs. Or when li suyin first asked us to study with her.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
We did find the spring that has help us greatly from our friends
We got a turtle egg from our egg
We got to the advanced physical class from our friends
I personally feel that our friends our giving us different things but we have to spend social actions to follow up on them.
That might be how it turns out. It might be more declaring duels instead though where we fight with only our honour at risk rather than all of our an their stuff.
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- United States of America
But it's also one of those choices where it's still a fire to be put out. If we do it great but if we don't there are negatives. Our friend might possibly "bite more then she can chew" and get seriously hurt .
Its not a simple social side mission like say "go cheer Gu on for a duel she has" or "try to do something with so and so" obviously these are minor socials and not really epic quests. But what I'm advocating for are maybe a bunch of small socials that don't give the best rewards but are considered very minor and can be attached to actions.
Obiously we would have limited pics as to not clog up the chapter with too mutch fluff , but having all of our friends constantly have "problems that need to be solved " or emotional issues" can be tiring after a while.