Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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Re: Hitting Green/Bronze before the tournament.
I want to remind people that breakthroughs are hard.
A breakthrough requires 3 successes, not necessarily consecutive. We currently have a 55% of succeeding on each attempt.
For a given attempt, we use 1 action and have a 45% chance of losing on average 23 points of xp. This means an "average" attempt costs about 1 action and 10 points of xp (since 45% of 23 is about 10). However, it takes on average 1/.55 (about 1.8) attempts to get a single success, which means we need to budget a touch over about 1.8 actions and 18xp per success on average.
This means for three successes, we need around 5.5 actions and 55xp. Be sure to judge matters accordingly.
I want to remind people that breakthroughs are hard.
A breakthrough requires 3 successes, not necessarily consecutive. We currently have a 55% of succeeding on each attempt.
For a given attempt, we use 1 action and have a 45% chance of losing on average 23 points of xp. This means an "average" attempt costs about 1 action and 10 points of xp (since 45% of 23 is about 10). However, it takes on average 1/.55 (about 1.8) attempts to get a single success, which means we need to budget a touch over about 1.8 actions and 18xp per success on average.
This means for three successes, we need around 5.5 actions and 55xp. Be sure to judge matters accordingly.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
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The spirit stone expenditure would look like this:
From Mid to Late SIlver it takes 8 actions. Each action requires 26 Red stones because 2 Red stones + the cost of all 4 pills (24 stones) is that much. That's 26x8=208 stones until we reach Late Silver. Then we get 8 extra dice and have to spend 35 stones a week (1 red stone, 1 yellow stone, 24 red stones).
You know what, I'm going to wait for the updated version.
Yes and no.
Argent Soul had a number of benefits, some of which were made permanent at some point. We got to keep the permanent bonuses, but the temporary bonuses only apply when we use AS as our cultivation art, which we aren't doing now.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Only the transient ones. Most of Argent Soul turned into permanent benefits though. The only ones we lost out on are it's specific dice adders, and EPC is pretty close in some ways to them.
Codex
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Argent Soul gave us a permanent +5 breakthrough bonus, so it's more like 60% not 55%.
Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
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Yes. Or at least the bits that didn't become permanent.
So, we no longer get the reroll, the spirit upkeep reduction, the cultivation dice or the Qi bonus successes up-to-40.
The reroll is probably the bit we'll miss most.
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On the question of whether we can ask seniors for locations, Gu did get the spring location from one, so some at least remain stationary.
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Yeah, we lost all nonpermanent benefits of Argent Soul
Ahh, but I like to have a baseline to compare how much the medicines help. It also helps because I can just copy and paste a lot of the information down and only change a few numbers and calculations. I don't mind doing the work and I would like to think it helps people who wish to budget money to see what would happen if we didn't take the pills. It can be used as a cost-benefit analysis if we get really poor after a couple of bad fights.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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I'm counting the permanent +5. Our base breakthrough roll has a success rate of talent*10 for Red->Yellow, (talent-1)*10 for Yellow->Green, and so on. That would give us (6-1)*10=50% as our success rate. AS's permanent +5 raises that to 55%.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
We lost the test reroll. @yrsillar played us well
In exchange, we can actually bind Grade 2 Spirit Beasts, which BestTurtle probably will be born as though.
Sure, we take a loss, but give and take is give and take. We'll just have to improve our skills enough to not need to rely on the reroll.
Okay; can you at least do second-order-spoilering on them, then? Right now it is just a bit too wall-of-text-esque.
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Sure I can do that for you. I'll probably spend another 30 or so minutes adding other stuff as well, like Red Stone expenditure, expected growth rates, time to do meridians and time to do Qi. I'll probably all put them in spoilers.
Motile Mollusc
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1. is AS's 7 dice to meridians enough that it's worth timing a meridian week so we can switch back to it will losing minimal progress on EPC, or is it more practical to just keep EPC and not worry about the 2/3 average success?
2. I think a bow is probably going to be our next talisman expenditure. After that, replacing the Starlight Ribbon? Increase Darkness reduction, add some Qi regen if possible*, maybe an expression* bonus?
*expression would probably be best on a flute, and a wind instrument's connection to the lung meridians might mean it could be a good Qi regen slot ("a lung meridian, which are connected to the creation of qi constructs and one's ability to take in and expel qi."), but I don't know how often we would be able to use it properly, considering the pushes to both have FVM become hands free through whatever means, and to keep attacking after FVMs effects are set up.
2. I think a bow is probably going to be our next talisman expenditure. After that, replacing the Starlight Ribbon? Increase Darkness reduction, add some Qi regen if possible*, maybe an expression* bonus?
*expression would probably be best on a flute, and a wind instrument's connection to the lung meridians might mean it could be a good Qi regen slot ("a lung meridian, which are connected to the creation of qi constructs and one's ability to take in and expel qi."), but I don't know how often we would be able to use it properly, considering the pushes to both have FVM become hands free through whatever means, and to keep attacking after FVMs effects are set up.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
If EPC doesn't pick up a Meridian adder... YES. That's more dice then we get form our major pills. Like, the week where we're lible to reach 2 on it I'll push for us to have 'roll over to spiritual' and then make the next week a meridian week. 7 dice is a big deal.
We can't switch to AS without losing EPC progress, so until we get to the point where we can't unlock meridians otherwise we probably want to stick to EPC.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
That's why we switch at Second Phase EPC 0/100.
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Alright, the document now has the raw numbers that I was playing around with, The growth at the current rate, The growth at an expected increase in the rate of the growth, the amount of time to get the meridians we would want, the amount of dice it will take to get to 61 qi, and the red stone expenditure with what we know of. This document isn't perfect, but I think it should serve as a rough guideline of how long certain actions will take to accomplish among other things (Ling Qi Slow down, your cultivation is too fast for this world!).
Here is a link to the original post, as I don't think people would want me posting the document twice.
Here is a link to the original post, as I don't think people would want me posting the document twice.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Maybe.
If we're there.
I'm not voting for any plan that doesn't train EPC for any reason other than hitting a cap anyway.
Remember that EPC gives us a second free yellow stone. And I'm fairly sure that the second YSS bonus is comparable to AS5s bonus. Do you think the AS5 bonus is worth 10 spirit stones? Because if we don't spend that second YSS we're not getting anything.
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