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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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Here is a protoplan for what I'd want to do this week.

[] Plan For Progress
-[] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill
-[] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
-[] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
Major Actions
-[] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[] Falling Stars Art
-[] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
--[] Spiritual
-[] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[] Physical
--[] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
--[] Drop the mental training if we can't handle it right now. Getting better at this sort of thing is worth doing, but not at the cost of tainting our interactions with Meizhen.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Eight Phase Ceremony
-[] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
--[] All else being equal, try hunting the condor at night.

Minor Actions
-[] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
-[] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
-[] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
 
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PrimalShadow said:
-[] (Undecided. Train SCS if necessary; if not, take a mission. Probably want the Condor mission if we are going alone or the Investigation mission if we can find someone to help.)
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Investigate disappearances? The huge no. Of points would be really useful.

Or any other mission. Five more points and we can hire a tutor for 10 to 15 to dice.
 
So after some quick and dirty calculations, this is what I came up with:

Assuming we're not using Starlight, Snowy Peak, Darkmoon or Highsun. Flowing Rivers and Steady Growth are used (+7 spiritual dice).

SCS: Talent 6+ Meizhen 5+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ EPC 3 for a total of 32 dice

Average: 16 successes. Since we're at 39/40 with Arkeus' bonus then we only need one point, the rest into spiritual overflow. That's an average of 15 successes for Spiritual.

Then there's the Spiritual roll

Spiritual: Talent 6+ EPC 5+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ Pills 7+ Vent 8 for a total of 44 dice.

Average: 22 Successes. That's a total average of 15+22=37 successes for spiritual.

We're currently at 77/120. 77+37=114/120 if we get an exact average. We should be most of the way through, and if we dedicate 6 omake points into it we could possibly get to Mid-Yellow (barely).

Unfortunately that seems unlikely. We can already see here that we got 39 dice for SCS and only got 14 successes, despite the average being 19.5. There was also the Qi roll with 44 dice where we ended up with 15 while the average is 22.

Despite that, I'm still most likely going to dedicate any Omake points I get after I psyche myself up into spiritual. Hopefully every little bit helps.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Here is a protoplan for what I'd want to do this week.

[] Plan For Progress
-[] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill
-[] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (18 red stones)
-[] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
Major Actions
-[] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[] Falling Stars Art
-[] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
--[] Spiritual
-[] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[] Physical
--[] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
--[] Drop the mental training if we can't handle it right now. Getting better at this sort of thing is worth doing, but not at the cost of tainting our interactions with Meizhen.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Eight Phase Ceremony
-[] (Undecided. Train SCS if necessary; if not, take a mission. Probably want the Condor mission if we are going alone or the Investigation mission if we can find someone to help.)

Minor Actions
-[] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
-[] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
-[] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
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I would say that we take both condor and investigate. They are worth it not only for High point efficiency, but also XP.

Also, Bow. Let's go shopping.

We can buy Heaven equivalent of basic pills. So Heaven-equivalen Clear Wind, Heaven-Equivant White Hart, drop Wellspring (we have max we can use per day, we can buy in the preparation phase If we spend any).

@yrsillar Can we do Meizhen traiing
PrimalShadow said:
Here is a protoplan for what I'd want to do this week.

[] Plan For Progress
-[] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill
-[] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (18 red stones)
-[] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
Major Actions
-[] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[] Falling Stars Art
-[] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
--[] Spiritual
-[] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[] Physical
--[] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
--[] Drop the mental training if we can't handle it right now. Getting better at this sort of thing is worth doing, but not at the cost of tainting our interactions with Meizhen.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Eight Phase Ceremony
-[] (Undecided. Train SCS if necessary; if not, take a mission. Probably want the Condor mission if we are going alone or the Investigation mission if we can find someone to help.)

Minor Actions
-[] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
-[] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
-[] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
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Let's do Condor and Investigate. We can take Meizhen on the latter.

They are both very efficient, and, more importantly, give XP and resources.

We can drop the physical.

@yrsillar can we train with Meizhen at the Vent?
 
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[X] Plan Raoyue
- [X] Inventory - 2x RS, Snowy Peak, Dark Moon Pill, Qi Expansion Pill, Clear Wind Pill
- [X] Buy - 2x Wellspring Pills (6 RS) + Steady Growth Pill (8 RS) + White Hart Elixir (6 RS) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RS) + Bear Marrow Elixir (3 RS)
- [X] Sell - Hawk Talon Armguards (~10 RS)
Major Actions
- [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
-- [X] FSA
-- [X] Bow; Spear
- [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
-- [X] Spiritual
-- [X] Give Suyin the Qi Foundation Pill and Red Restoration Pill - we can't use either as a 2nd realm
- [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
-- [X] Physical
-- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
- [X] Cultivate on your own
-- [X] EPC
- [X] Take a Job
-- [X] Investigate Disappearances
--- [X] Ask Bai Meizhen
--- [X] If she declines, ask Su Ling if she has reached Yellow
--- [X] Else - Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
Minor Actions
- [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
- [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
- [X] Spend more time with Su Ling, learning harvesting techniques and getting to know the girl better

Considering between Su Ling and Han Jian for last action. Xuan Shi works best when paired with a visit to the Archive (perhaps when we go for a 2F art?), shopping and mom can be put off for a week, especially since bows aren't that rare. It might show up as loot in a fight.

Edit: SCS confirmed achieved by QM.

Benefits - Mid-Yellow, FSA 1
 
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@yrsillar, could you clarify something, please?

Argent Soul 5 said:
-Users gain seven bonus dice to all cultivation attempts up until Late Yellow Soul Stage.
-Users gain a four bonus successes on all attempts to expand their Qi pool up to a maximum of forty.
-Users may reroll a failed check or test once per turn.
-User may bind Grade 1 spirits
-Total Spirit Upkeep reduced by 2, to a minimum of one
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Eight Phase Ceremony 1 said:
Effects
-Adds five dice to Physical and Spiritual cultivation up until Early Green/Bronze
-Adds three dice to the cultivation of all Yin aspected Arts
-Adds two automatic successes to all qi increase rolls
-Grants the user a single 'virtual' stone of up to Yellow grade per week
-Grants the user two additional dice on Stealth and Larceny checks performed at night
-Allows the user to bind spirits of up to Grade two
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The statline of Argent Soul 5 implies that it applies 7 dice to all cultivation attempts; that is, physical, spiritual, qi, meridians, cultivation arts, and combat arts, since those are the six basic cultivation action types which can be attempted. But it doesn't actually appear to add any dice to qi, cultivation arts, or combat arts at all, although it does to meridians.

This apparent inaccuracy in the Argent Soul description makes me also question the accuracy of the Eight Phase Ceremony description. Does "physical and spiritual cultivation" include things other than simple physical and spiritual cultivation actions? Does "yin aspected arts" mean just combat arts, or cultivation arts (like EPC itself) as well?

If you could clarify and/or edit the descriptions to be as precise and accurate as possible about what they actually do, that would be much appreciated.
 
Katreus said:
[] Plan Raoyue
- [] Inventory - 2x RS, Snowy Peak, Darkmoon Pill, Qi Expansion Pill, Clear Wind Pill
- [] Buy - 2x Wellspring Pills (6 RS) + Steady Growth Pill (8 RS)
- [] Sell - Hawk Talon Armguards (~10 RS)
Major Actions
- [] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
-- [] FSA
-- [] Bow; Spear
- [] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
-- [] Spiritual
- [] Train with Bai Meizhen
-- [] SCS
-- [] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
- [] Cultivate on your own
-- [] EPC
- [] Take a Job
-- [] Investigate Disaappearances
--- [] If Su Ling has reached Yellow
--- [] Else - Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
Minor Actions
- [] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
- [] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
- [] Free Minor

FSA = 6 + 15 YS + 3 RS + 3 EPC + 5 Snowy Peak + 3 CW + 3 Friends = 38 dice rolls => FSA 1 achieved
SCS = 6 + 15 YS + 3 RS + 3 EPC + 5 Snowy Peak + 5 Meizhen = 37 dice rolls => 17 overflow
Spiritual = 6 + 15 YS + 3 RS + 5 EPC + 8 Vent + 4 Steady Growth = 41 dice rolls
Bonus Spiritual = 41 + 3 = 44 dice rolls

=> Start at 77 + 20 + 17 + 22 = 136 => Mid-Yellow achieved
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FSA isn't a Yin art. It doesn't get the +3 bonus from EPC.

It's also important to conserve the really expensive pills. I don't want us to use our last Snowy Peak when we can use it with Sable Light pill for maximum efficiency.
 
Codex said:
The overflow from SCS allows us to do a double Spiritual Cultivation in one week with no expensive pills necessary. It will speed up our cultivation.
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The problem is that it costs us 10 dice from EPC plus 4 dice from the Steady Growth pill that we would be getting for a spiritual action. 14 dice is a significant amount to lose, here - especially since by your calculation we'd probably not make it by week 19 anyways. This way we'll probably be able to finish up with an action on Week 20 anyways, so we don't actually get it any faster.
 
Codex said:
FSA isn't a Yin art. It doesn't get the +3 bonus from EPC.

It's also important to conserve the really expensive pills. I don't want us to use our last Snowy Peak when we can use it with Sable Light pill for maximum efficiency.
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If we're using Sable Light solely for meridians - and I think most people are committed to that given the hard cap meridians have without it - then Snowy Peak does nothing with Sable Light.
 
PrimalShadow said:
The problem is that it costs us 10 dice from EPC plus 4 dice from the Steady Growth pill that we would be getting for a spiritual action. 14 dice is a significant amount to lose, here - especially since by your calculation we'd probably not make it by week 19 anyways. This way we'll probably be able to finish up with an action on Week 20 anyways, so we don't actually get it any faster.
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Actually, if we go by my calculations, without the overflow from next week, we'd reach 121/120 for spiritual by Week 20, but that's REALLY close. If we get a little unlucky, then we'd reach Mid-Yellow by Week 21. If we get the overflow from SCS, then we have a VERY high probability of reaching Mid-Yellow by Week 20. The overflow can assure us in getting Mid-Yellow by Week 20.

EDIT: Not to mention, the QM barred us from using Omake points to change the outcome of the update, so I'm not sure how you're planning to convince him on this.
 
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Just to check, are we sure SCS will overflow into spiritual instead of just progressing into it's next step?
 
[X] Plan For Progress
-[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, 1 Qi Expansion Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill
-[X] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
--[X] Also buy-and-use Heaven-aligned versions of the Flowing Rivers Pill / White Hart Elixir / Clear Wind Pill if we can do that as a free action (ignore this subpoint if we can't.)
-[X] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
Major Actions
-[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[X] Falling Stars Art
--[X] Change Melee weapon to Spear
-[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[X] Physical
--[X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
-[X] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
--[X] All else being equal, try hunting the condor at night.

Minor Actions
-[X] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
-[X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
-[X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme

Major points of this plan:
-Uses all the pills available for spiritual cultivation. At 6 (talent) + 18 (stones) + 8 (vent) + 5 (EPC) + 7 (Pills) = 44 and 43 successes required, this means that using this action and one more the next week lets us break through to Mid-Yellow with 87% probability even without considering overflow.
-Takes the Han Jian action, firming up that social link against erosion and letting us go into the government meeting with an actual understanding of what is going on.
-Hunts the Condor, letting us try out our new levels of SCS and FSA, collecting a nice haul of stones and sect points, and if we are lucky discovering a location.
-Cultivates physical, pushing us slowly but surely towards Late-Silver, increasing our Qi, and taking full advantage of the bonuses from White Hart Elixir and the Steady Growth Pill.
 
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DarkLight140 said:
@yrsillar, could you clarify something, please?



The statline of Argent Soul 5 implies that it applies 7 dice to all cultivation attempts; that is, physical, spiritual, qi, meridians, cultivation arts, and combat arts, since those are the six basic cultivation action types which can be attempted. But it doesn't actually appear to add any dice to qi, cultivation arts, or combat arts at all, although it does to meridians.

This apparent inaccuracy in the Argent Soul description makes me also question the accuracy of the Eight Phase Ceremony description. Does "physical and spiritual cultivation" include things other than simple physical and spiritual cultivation actions? Does "yin aspected arts" mean just combat arts, or cultivation arts (like EPC itself) as well?

If you could clarify and/or edit the descriptions to be as precise and accurate as possible about what they actually do, that would be much appreciated.
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done, epc does not in fact add to meridian cultivation at first level, I;ve clarified argent soul as well. Yin aspected arts are all arts, so yes, EPC enhances itself
 
Motile Mollusc said:
Just to check, are we sure SCS will overflow into spiritual instead of just progressing into it's next step?
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FVM's fourth measure requires Mid-Yellow, we're assuming SCS4 is the same in that it requires Mid-Yellow, therefore since we haven't completed the requirements the overflow should occur. There is a reasonable certainty, but we could be wrong. In any way, it's not like advancing to our progress to SCS4 is bad or anything, we just want SCS3 and we can't get it without performing an action for it next week or afterwards.
 
Nice.

Anyway, we've got lots of stones now, and we don't actually need Yellow Spirit Stones until Late Silver/Yellow. How about we squander them all getting a really good bow, given how great our learning curve is for it?

Also, EPC/Falling Stars/SCS training? Then a mission, then ASA or Spiritual Cultivation to continue pushing for Mid-Yellow?
 
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Codex said:
EDIT: Not to mention, the QM barred us from using Omake points to change the outcome of the update, so I'm not sure how you're planning to convince him on
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Nope, he allowed it in this case, it will simply enter in effect next turn.

Also, spiritual dice are easier to get than Art dice, and that's not even taking into account the possibility of it not overflowing.

Actions are worth a lot. I do believe we should do Condor and Investigate, this is likely our last chance, and we always profit a lot from events, on top of those two having great, great sect point returns.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Nope, he allowed it in this case, it will simply enter in effect next turn.

Also, spiritual dice are easier to get than Art dice, and that's not even taking into account the possibility of it not overflowing.

Actions are worth a lot. I do believe we should do Condor and Investigate, this is likely our last chance, and we always profit a lot from events, on top of those two having great, great sect point returns.
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PrimalShadow said:
I'm confused. @yrsillar - do we get to upgrade SCS with omake points or not? I'm getting mixed signals on this.
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You guys just missed it.
yrsillar said:
Hm, yeah I suppose that would be fine. Prob won't get to edit that in till after work if you do though, and it won't come into effect until the next update
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yrsillar said:
Eh... second thoughts... you guys do have a point. I don;t want things to get too easy
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