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Ah well. I rather hope Ashen Shadow gets another chance - I really think it's an excellent addition to Ling Qi's arsenal. Perhaps if the egg hatches into a spirit critter that lends itself to fire there'll be more support for it.

angelofwhim said:
Anyone got any gameplay or anime scene of the arts?

I imagine the bow art as whathisname arrow shockwave attack in Ronin Warriors.
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Or perhaps (already posted in this thread, admittedly):



Ashen Shadow Art... gah; I've got a vague image in my mind but don't recall what it's from (could be a mish-mash). Think of things made of ash from, say, Dark Souls. Ash swirls in Ling Qi's shadowy wake, forming figures or simply whirling around the foes, devouring their body heat. All the while, the mist presses down, dampening sound and sight, making the world seem colder and colder...

tricholysis said:
I might not support Ashen Shadow specifically, but I will support getting some sort of mantle or qi construct art, and a second/third-floor version of AS would be a perfect addition to Ling Qi's repertoire IMO.
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I donno; I think Ashen Shadow is better than you think. To be honest, looking at Sable Crescent Step and Forgotten Vale Melody, then at Argent Mirror and Zephyr's Breath... I wonder how the first two stack up to a non-basic first-floor art. Or second-floor, or third. And just how much of a difference there is between arts found on each floor, in terms of mechanical strength.
 
True enough, I tried to keep a lid on things myself, cutting out of the main argument (Admittedly, I was still drawn in a few times despite this though) when I was getting a bit heated.

What it comes down to is that build votes are the fucking worst. Dragging out the worst attitude in everyone. I'm not really sure how to solve that though, this is a well known problem that starts cropping up when a Quest becomes popular. Eventually someone says something that ticks somebody off, and they retaliate, which ticks somebody else off, and eventually you have a saltfest.

I'm not really sure what solutions exist to stave this off though, since it's kind of a fundamental problem that exists when you're dealing with crowds of people on the internet, eventually somebody loses their temper and it starts to snowball.
 
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CircleTheSkies said:
Ah well. I rather hope Ashen Shadow gets another chance - I really think it's an excellent addition to Ling Qi's arsenal. Perhaps if the egg hatches into a spirit critter that lends itself to fire there'll be more support for it.



Or perhaps (already posted in this thread, admittedly):



Ashen Shadow Art... gah; I've got a vague image in my mind but don't recall what it's from (could be a mish-mash). Think of things made of ash from, say, Dark Souls. Ash swirls in Ling Qi's shadowy wake, forming figures or simply whirling around the foes, devouring their body heat. All the while, the mist presses down, dampening sound and sight, making the world seem colder and colder...



I donno; I think Ashen Shadow is better than you think. To be honest, looking at Sable Crescent Step and Forgotten Vale Melody, then at Argent Mirror and Zephyr's Breath... I wonder how the first two stack up to a non-basic first-floor art. Or second-floor, or third. And just how much of a difference there is between arts found on each floor, in terms of mechanical strength.
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As I said, I'm going to push to pick it up later. I think both arts were great, that we have plenty of room for more techniques, and that beyond that we don't need access to all of our techniques all the time which means we have even MORE room. There's absolutely no reason to get to get wound up with this because there were no bad outcomes.
 
A thought about second and third floor arts. We shouldn't get them, at least initially.

Second and third floor arts take us beyond yellow and into green. That's a mark against them, because we get breakthrough bonuses for arts mastered, not arts taken to the limits.

So we should save points until we breakthrough to green and then update our inventory.
 
One very very simple rule to follow would be this: if part of your argument is how a particular user might vote or structure a vote, stop. You aren't adding anything worthwhile or productive to the conversation. You are introducing an inherently adversarial element to the discourse without adding anything of substance. If you believe your approach to be superior, appeal to the virtues of that approach, be it a particular goal, Art, distribution of resources, or time with a character you particularly enjoy or feel is neglected.

Calling out another user for having positions you disagree with, or implicitly calling on the thread at large to snub an action because it is proposed or supported by a particular user is crass at best.
 
AbeoLogos said:
One very very simple rule to follow would be this: if part of your argument is how a particular user might vote or structure a vote, stop. You aren't adding anything worthwhile or productive to the conversation. You are introducing an inherently adversarial element to the discourse without adding anything of substance. If you believe your approach to be superior, appeal to the virtues of that approach, be it a particular goal, Art, distribution of resources, or time with a character you particularly enjoy or feel is neglected.

Calling out another user for having positions you disagree with, or implicitly calling on the thread at large to snub an action because it is proposed or supported by a particular user is crass at best.
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Yeah.

The problem is that once a thread reaches a given size, it tends to demand moderation of some kind, or else contentious votes will tend to devolve into salt mines. We just crossed that threshold here.

Like, you can set rules all you want, but all it takes is someone breaking them or skirting them and you start the chain reaction that leads to saltfests. Admittedly, this one was relatively mild as far as they go, but it's still something that steps should be taken against.
 
I'd definitely support going for Ash next turn, if that was an option, but I understand we have a lot of other stuff to do too. But basically all the options we could choose from were pretty cool.
 
Yeah, seriously, I loved Ash, the aesthetics are just amazing, and it's excellent for close in combat with our build. I just felt we needed some way of actually effectively abusing our stealth to get opening strikes in, and the lightning-arrow was actually something I suggested a while back in the thread as something that could be kicking rad.

I would absolutely be willing to vote for getting Ash as well next turn. We'd need to open some more Meridians, but that's something we want to do regardless, and the more we open before we do our headlong rush with the Sable Light Pill, the more useful the push will be.
 
Honestly the whole fucking thing was a mess , and everything was going fine with most users agreeing that they liked all the arts and we should get certain one's first while others politely told them they disagreed ....

And then shit got sour cus some people could literally not just agree to disagree and got vocal rude name calling started happening , people got overly emotional about "losing " and then it just turned into certain users (you know who you are) shitting on others, calling people idiots, or fear mongering.

Making statements again like "oh if we don't do this then so and so will happen"

I honestly at one point just rolled my eyed and actually wished the mods had stepped in and just told everyone to calm the he'll down or they would pass out threadbans


The whole ordeal honestly has left me bitter about art votes in genreal and I'd if I even care to get one of these arts second anytime soon just to avoid this kind of fiasco again.
 
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Mr.rodent said:
Honestly the whole fucking thing was a mess , and everything was going fine with most users agreeing that they liked all the arts and we should get certain one's first while others politely told them they disagreed ....

And then shit got sour cus some people could literally not just agree to disagree and got vocal rude name calling started happening , people got overly emotional about "losing " and then it just turned into certain users (you know who you are) shitting on others, calling people idiots, or fear mongering.

Making statements again like "oh if we don't do this then so and so will happen"

I honestly at one point just rolled my eyed and actually wished the mods had stepped in and just told everyone to calm the he'll down or they would pass out threadbans


The whole ordeal honestly has left me bitter about art votes in genreal and I'd if I even care to get one of these arts second anytime soon just to avoid this kind of fiasco again.
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Yeah, that's the nail right there. We can be polite and agreeable, but as soon as someone flips out, it suddenly devolves into a warzone. This is kind of inevitable when there's 100+ people voting, since eventually someone will be deeply offended by something someone else said, or have an off day and snap because they're losing, and then it snowballs.

I'm not really sure what solutions exist aside from constant moderation.
 
CircleTheSkies said:
Ah well. I rather hope Ashen Shadow gets another chance - I really think it's an excellent addition to Ling Qi's arsenal. Perhaps if the egg hatches into a spirit critter that lends itself to fire there'll be more support for it.
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We'll probably end up getting it soonish.

Plenty of people expressed a desire for both Arts. I know I certainly want to get Ashen Shadow at some point. They fill different holes in Ling Qi's capabilities, FSA covering up ranged and giving the alpha strike/finisher she's been lacking that causes fights to go on for dozens of turns. ASA supplements melee, makes being near Ling Qi in a fight even more unpleasant than it already was and gives her and will help if someone does manage to close range on her.

So yeah, I'll certainly be voting for grabbing Ash in the next turn, barring anything too crazy happening.

If anything, I'd also like to pick up Ice Wraith too. But that's mostly my tendency to wanting to stack defenses and/or passives.


After we get ASA down, the next art type I think we should grab is some kind of soak/regen ability. It's not something we need right now or the sky'll fall. Ling Qi's more stealth/dodge defense focused, but it'd be nice to have as a safety net if the dice fall against us.
 
Whatever the mess, I'd still really like both arts, so if there's a plan that buys Ash next turn, or the turn after that, I'm probably gonna vote for it.

Edit : I mean, I'd also like the ice one too, honestly, but if we get three of them at once we won't have time to train them all if we want to do anything else, at least till we get more actions. But a damage soak art to absorb anything that did get through our defenses as well as something to let us resist enemy debuffs would also be useful.
 
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Alectai said:
Yeah, seriously, I loved Ash, the aesthetics are just amazing, and it's excellent for close in combat with our build. I just felt we needed some way of actually effectively abusing our stealth to get opening strikes in, and the lightning-arrow was actually something I suggested a while back in the thread as something that could be kicking rad.

I would absolutely be willing to vote for getting Ash as well next turn. We'd need to open some more Meridians, but that's something we want to do regardless, and the more we open before we do our headlong rush with the Sable Light Pill, the more useful the push will be.
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If we don't actually care about using it, we don't even have to open any meridians. But that's pretty silly. As much as I love the art, it's an absolutely daft approach.
 
It might take more than a single turn, since it'd be best to grab ASA after we have the meridians prepped. I don't know how many if/then clauses we want (or are allowed) to put into plan votes, so it might be best to get it in two-three weeks after we've had a meridian heavy week.
 
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Quest as Quotes
  • Apocrypha
    • Omake:

    Since I'm in that sort of mood. Here is Ling Qi's life in the sect as retold through modified scenes/quotations drawn from popular contemporary fiction.

    Harry Potter [Smelting]
    • "You're a Cultivator, Ling Qi."
    • If you want to know what a man's like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.
    • "It does not do well to dwell on cultivation and forget to live." - Elder Su
    • "I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." - Ling Qi
    The Giver [Chapters 1-5]
    • I feel sorry for anyone who is in a place where she feels strange and stupid.
    • "...how could you describe a hill and snow to someone who had never felt height or wind or that feathery, magical cold?" Bai Meizhen, before helping Ling Qi feel her dantian.
    • "We gained control of many things. But we had to let go of others" - Elder Su, when discussing Elemental Balance
    • She hunched her shoulders and tried to make herself smaller in the seat. She wanted to disappear, to fade away, not to exist.
    • Didn't life consist of the things you did each day?
    Ender's Game [Zhou's Second Test]
    • ...so I told him, the Star Token is down.
    • "Ling Qi isn't a killer. She just wins-thoroughly."
    • "I'm crazy", said Ling Qi. "But I think I'm okay."
    Twilight [Lucky Breaks]
    • Huang Da. That is all I've got.
    The Hunger Games [Thunderdome]
    • "Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor." - Elder Jiao
    • Destroying things is much easier than making them.
    • "I am not pretty. I am not beautiful. I am as radiant as the sun." - Gu Xiulan
    • "Because...because...she came here with me."
    • Sick and disoriented, I'm able to form only one thought: Gan Guangli just saved my life.
    • "Ling Qi?" Huang Da says. I meet his eyes, knowing my face must be some shade of green. He mouths the words. "How about that kiss?"

    The Hobbit [The Serpent's Treasure]
    • "I am looking for someone to share in an adventure that I am arranging, and it's very difficult to find anyone."
    • A safe trial is untrue to all worlds.
    • "Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable?"
    • "Go back?" she thought. "No good at all! Go sideways? Impossible! Go forward? Only thing to do! On we go!"
    • It does not do to leave a live Volcanic Tyrant Tortoise out of your calculations, if you happen to pass near him.
    • "You have nice manners for a thief and a liar," said the Volcanic Tyrant Tortoise.
    Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy [Weeks 16-17]
    • There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Politics is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
    • "...I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
      "Why, what did she tell you?"
      "I don't know, I didn't listen."
    • "Forty-two," said Lady Cai, with infinite majesty and calm.
    • "Would it save you a lot of time if I just gave up and went mad now"? - Li Suyin
    • Make it totally clear that this guandao has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it.
     
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    • AbeoLogos said:
    If we don't actually care about using it, we don't even have to open any meridians. But that's pretty silly. As much as I love the art, it's an absolutely daft approach.
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    Well, if we have the points and there's an Art we like, we can always grab the art first, and open the meridians second. But I agree that's probably now how we'll normally do things.
     
    Quest said:
    Second and third floor arts take us beyond yellow and into green. That's a mark against them, because we get breakthrough bonuses for arts mastered, not arts taken to the limits.
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    Do you know this, or are you speculating?

    I know we get bonuses for <Element> Mastery, but I don't think we've seen exactly what kind of Art progress grants this. It is unclear that an incomplete high-level art grants less progress than a complete low-level one.
     
    PrimalShadow said:
    Do you know this, or are you speculating?

    I know we get bonuses for <Element> Mastery, but I don't think we've seen exactly what kind of Art progress grants this. It is unclear that an incomplete high-level art grants less progress than a complete low-level one.
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    Max progress for our given Cultivation Stage does it.

    We could have had Starlight Elegy at Late Red/Gold, but we chose to push, and thus, we didn't get a Water Mastery tick. SCS was mastered up to Yellow/Silver, and we did get a Darkness tick
     
    Happerry said:
    I'd definitely support going for Ash next turn, if that was an option, but I understand we have a lot of other stuff to do too. But basically all the options we could choose from were pretty cool.
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    We can get it next turn pretty easily.

    Week 19
    [] Spiritual
    [] Train Archery Art
    [] Open Lung
    [] Archive Art
    [] Condor

    I mean, we could have done this the other way around too, and it would have been more efficient - at this rate, we'll have neither art installed by end of next week depending on how much the heaven / late red nature of the art inflates the numbers, but whatever. It's not super efficient, but since super efficiency has already been disregarded anyway, it's not a huge concern.

    (And I am going to find it strange if people suddenly start arguing for super efficiency given the vote that just won.)

    Week 19 [Alternate Universe]
    [] Spiritual
    [] Train Fire Art
    [] Open Arm
    [] Archive Art

    This would have guaranteed the pill training from this week and 2 training next. If we had trained enough to install it Week 18, then switch the fire art to Lung. Would have been really perfect, but whatever. It's still workable. It's just a bit inefficient.

    Diomedon said:
    It might take more than a single turn, since it'd be best to grab ASA after we have the meridians prepped. I don't know how many if/then clauses we want (or are allowed) to put into plan votes, so it might be best to get it in two-three weeks after we've had a meridian heavy week.
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    Nope. Don't need it. We can get it next week and train it then. We'll just need to open a second Arm meridian in Week 20.
     
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    Nervaqus987 said:
    We'll probably end up getting it soonish.
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    Multiple people also expressed a desire NOT to get the other art. Especially with how doing so in the next couple of weeks means we just wasted 13 dice for literally nothing.



    I'm okay with picking up another art from the archive, whether it is the Ash art or something else. Just as soon as we've mastered our current attack art to at least the third or fourth stage.
     
    PrimalShadow said:
    Multiple people also expressed a desire NOT to get the other art. Especially with how doing so in the next couple of weeks means we just wasted 13 dice for literally nothing.

    I'm okay with picking up another art from the archive, whether it is the Ash art or something else. Just as soon as we've mastered our current attack art to at least the third or fourth stage.
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    Fuck no. We're getting it next week. We already wasted 13 dice for nothing. Whether we wait or not, it's a sunk cost already, and there's nothing that we can't push off for it. We can really only train in the Archery art once a week before it's inefficient anyway and we don't want to train it too fast because every time we do before we secure the meadow, we're missing out on qi successes from it. We might as well train 2 at the same time. All we need is to keep upping spiritual - probably done by Week 20-21 at the latest - then switch to physical.
     
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    PrimalShadow said:
    Multiple people also expressed a desire NOT to get the other art. Especially with how doing so in the next couple of weeks means we just wasted 13 dice for literally nothing.



    I'm okay with picking up another art from the archive, whether it is the Ash art or something else. Just as soon as we've mastered our current attack art to at least the third or fourth stage.
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    Eh, that's kind of the sunk cost fallacy in reverse. Sure, if we end up getting both in quick succession it was stupid not to get ASA first. But as we've already lost the chance to do that, it now ceases to matter. If people think we're better off with both arts (and I certainly do, and intend to actively vote for plans that work towards ASA) the fact that it's been rendered non-optimally efficient is no reason not to get it.
     
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