Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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- Original Fantasy
Well Considering who Shenhua is probably an expy of... As long as the clothes does not talk or end up skimpy we are probably ok.
Thanatanos
PvP Lover, Assasin Player
[X] Climb the mountain.
- Location
- Cyberspace
Of course, the mountaintop is also a possible place to find suitable cultivation locations - 'everyone' uses the tunnels, after all...
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Cai is paying us shite. Randomly beating up disciples can get us this much more easily, and sect jobs can also do so. I am very disappointed in her scamming us about this, it's disappointing.
Also we have been told all the time that EPC needs high place to cultivate.
Huh so I wasn't the only thinking it might be her, and Su Ling getting revenge. Well if it is them I'd be surprised if Cai didn't know who it was, and simply feigned ignorance to give Ling Qi the curtsy of turning her friend in peacefully.
Additionally there might be a certain amount of sympathy toward their situation as Ling Qi unlike pretty much every other cultivator wouldn't take the opportunity to take everything of value beyond whatever punishment Cai imposes upon them.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Just to confirm 5 yellow stones would be worth 50 red stones yah? Or a sect quest worth 10 points? hmm... yah we can get a lot more from just dueling people with less actions and risk. We should keep an eye out though since we are going to up and about at night a lot more with epc and should warn our friends about it.
This is a test more then anything.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
We can just get Li Suyin to stop by asking her, and if it's not her not bother doing it. 5 Yellow stone for an action is a scam, and Cai Renxiang trying to buy us so cheaply is an insult.
She really lost a lot of my respect for that.
Yes. See if we can be bought for nothing. No thanks. She is the one trying to court us here, not the opposite.
Quest worth 10 points is much stronger, simply because it can be used for other things. This is just... urgh.
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- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
A test we don't have to take. Do we align our self's on her side and do a job for dirt cheap or do we say that our time is more vauluble than 5 yellow stones.
So. We get to choose between a possible ambush and the possibility of (multiple) encounters with spirit beasts.
We should choose the latter, of course. Spirit beasts aren't going to be specifically equipped to deal with us, and they give nice goodies besides. Plus climbing is a good match for our skillset, and we can probably just run away from most things we would be likely to encounter.
[X] Climb the mountain.
We should choose the latter, of course. Spirit beasts aren't going to be specifically equipped to deal with us, and they give nice goodies besides. Plus climbing is a good match for our skillset, and we can probably just run away from most things we would be likely to encounter.
[X] Climb the mountain.
- Location
- Cyberspace
To be honest, Ling Qi mentioning it and asking the duo if they've seen anything suspicious, what they know about other female cultivators (because let's face it, Ling Qi doesn't really know many by name or face), etc might lead to a sudden cessation with some fairly decent plausible deniability all around. Ling Qi can spend her nights meditating out in the open air in the relevant part of the quarter and nothing happens.
Yeah - both Han Jian and Cai Renxiang seem to find her honesty and friendship determination regarding Bai Meizhen kind of... charming, in a quaint way, if I read the interactions right.
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- She/Her
So, at a glance, the choice is picking between guaranteed exhaustion and the chance of a fight detracting from the mission.
However, as noted, ambushers would be most likely to go after you on the way down, or at the destination once you engage in a conflict, so the ascent is a comparably risk-free zone. We also have a chance of fighting rank 2 beasts on the way up, which is every bit as bad as fighting Kang Zihao.
Pulling your body around by your arms while free-climbing a large cliff is also probably str+athletics. If we do encounter an enemy on a sufficiently vertical incline, our mobility and dodge may be pretty strictly limited.
Climbing is also pretty traditionally a strength roll rather than dexterity (moving your entire body around by your hands and all). Athletics is the obvious skill.
Our basic dice pool to climbing is fairly bad, salvaged by our really good athletics. Notably, SCS stops working if we have to climb a 45 degree+ vertical incline, so Crescent's Grace does nothing. Trackless escape works for 8 rounds, a duration measured in seconds to minutes, which, if we're moving vertically, may not actually get us out of sight. For mortals, free-climbing is an intensely risky task. For us, it's probably pretty manageable normally, but there's potentially a non-zero chance of falling and hurting ourselves, and our dice don't really push well against that, particularly if we're attacked or encounter something while climbing instead of walking.
On the other hand, if we have to move away in a dark cave tunnel, we'll A: have the ability to trackless escape more easily, B: have crescent's grace for speed.
[X] Take the tunnel
So, being Cai's minion has meh pay. If we wanted to beat people for money, Hong Lin would be a much better pinata than doing this mission, and it's hardly like the rules Cai set down have any claim to moral superiority or legitimacy besides power and Cai's ability to enforce them, so we can't even say that this would be more justified per-say. A likely similar amount of work would net us 10 sect points, which are equivalent if we want the cash but also let us do a number of things stones can't do.
This individual in question has also robbed a lot of sect disciples and is probably fairly wealthy atm, potentially with stuff she bought from selling the stolen goods (which would be the easy way to track her down really). Handing the person, and presumably their assets, to Cai is working at a loss. We'd get as much from a reasonably challenging mission, face less risk and have a chance for more interesting events or finding things in the wild. If it is Suyin, she's responding to people crippling her with robbery (and potentially just taking her own things back).
It's quite simply not worth it to do the job. It's also quite possibly pretty against the things we stand for. Potentially Cai actually knows this if it is Suyin, and is testing us, though this doesn't feel like her style, though it's possible the close is meant to be somewhat blatant (her basis was also capable of some subtlety at times).
Telling Suyin and getting things to stop for now is in the best interests of everyone involved, but it's very plausible this won't close up simply with that, and we may have to take a stand against Cai if she continues pushing for punishment.
Easily interpreted as such, but, well, the alternative is Cai taking them, while not actively working for it. Her justification here is incredibly self-serving (it's immoral for Ji Rong to take the fines, so she should take them instead). Meanwhile Xuan Shi directly profited off of the work of enforcement against Ji Rong (actions on her orders at that).
It's... a pretty blatantly off system, and one Ji Rong had no real chance to disagree with at the meeting. It's hard to call him out for that really, especially since the whole enforcing thing seems to require non-Cai cultivators to work for free. Notably, Cai paints herself as the (unelected, unappointed) government of the outer sect, profits off any collection. None of the red cultivators consented to the rules. Cai just took everyone powerful enough to object and pushed them into agreeing and working for her for free.
It's also fairly apparent that he met with Cai and she doesn't really seem to have liked his attitude, shortly before she fucked up his training for a month.
Notably as well, we haven't heard Ji Rong's side of the story. It's eminently possible someone attacked him in the housing area and he looted them as normal instead of fining them. We also have a very probable situation right here where enforcement isn't necessarily the right thing to do.
Cai quite feasibly has no actual anti-stealth art, in this sense assassination might be a relative vulnerability. Alternatively, Cai isn't very likely to go patrolling herself, so randomly finding the person would be a little odd. Like, is she telling us she actively tried to find this person herself and failed?
Take an eye or an arm as a message to Meizhen, try to pull her into a fight via us, other stereotypically villainous behavior.
However, as noted, ambushers would be most likely to go after you on the way down, or at the destination once you engage in a conflict, so the ascent is a comparably risk-free zone. We also have a chance of fighting rank 2 beasts on the way up, which is every bit as bad as fighting Kang Zihao.
Pulling your body around by your arms while free-climbing a large cliff is also probably str+athletics. If we do encounter an enemy on a sufficiently vertical incline, our mobility and dodge may be pretty strictly limited.
Climbing is also pretty traditionally a strength roll rather than dexterity (moving your entire body around by your hands and all). Athletics is the obvious skill.
Our basic dice pool to climbing is fairly bad, salvaged by our really good athletics. Notably, SCS stops working if we have to climb a 45 degree+ vertical incline, so Crescent's Grace does nothing. Trackless escape works for 8 rounds, a duration measured in seconds to minutes, which, if we're moving vertically, may not actually get us out of sight. For mortals, free-climbing is an intensely risky task. For us, it's probably pretty manageable normally, but there's potentially a non-zero chance of falling and hurting ourselves, and our dice don't really push well against that, particularly if we're attacked or encounter something while climbing instead of walking.
On the other hand, if we have to move away in a dark cave tunnel, we'll A: have the ability to trackless escape more easily, B: have crescent's grace for speed.
[X] Take the tunnel
So, being Cai's minion has meh pay. If we wanted to beat people for money, Hong Lin would be a much better pinata than doing this mission, and it's hardly like the rules Cai set down have any claim to moral superiority or legitimacy besides power and Cai's ability to enforce them, so we can't even say that this would be more justified per-say. A likely similar amount of work would net us 10 sect points, which are equivalent if we want the cash but also let us do a number of things stones can't do.
This individual in question has also robbed a lot of sect disciples and is probably fairly wealthy atm, potentially with stuff she bought from selling the stolen goods (which would be the easy way to track her down really). Handing the person, and presumably their assets, to Cai is working at a loss. We'd get as much from a reasonably challenging mission, face less risk and have a chance for more interesting events or finding things in the wild. If it is Suyin, she's responding to people crippling her with robbery (and potentially just taking her own things back).
It's quite simply not worth it to do the job. It's also quite possibly pretty against the things we stand for. Potentially Cai actually knows this if it is Suyin, and is testing us, though this doesn't feel like her style, though it's possible the close is meant to be somewhat blatant (her basis was also capable of some subtlety at times).
Telling Suyin and getting things to stop for now is in the best interests of everyone involved, but it's very plausible this won't close up simply with that, and we may have to take a stand against Cai if she continues pushing for punishment.
Easily interpreted as such, but, well, the alternative is Cai taking them, while not actively working for it. Her justification here is incredibly self-serving (it's immoral for Ji Rong to take the fines, so she should take them instead). Meanwhile Xuan Shi directly profited off of the work of enforcement against Ji Rong (actions on her orders at that).
It's... a pretty blatantly off system, and one Ji Rong had no real chance to disagree with at the meeting. It's hard to call him out for that really, especially since the whole enforcing thing seems to require non-Cai cultivators to work for free. Notably, Cai paints herself as the (unelected, unappointed) government of the outer sect, profits off any collection. None of the red cultivators consented to the rules. Cai just took everyone powerful enough to object and pushed them into agreeing and working for her for free.
It's also fairly apparent that he met with Cai and she doesn't really seem to have liked his attitude, shortly before she fucked up his training for a month.
Notably as well, we haven't heard Ji Rong's side of the story. It's eminently possible someone attacked him in the housing area and he looted them as normal instead of fining them. We also have a very probable situation right here where enforcement isn't necessarily the right thing to do.
Cai quite feasibly has no actual anti-stealth art, in this sense assassination might be a relative vulnerability. Alternatively, Cai isn't very likely to go patrolling herself, so randomly finding the person would be a little odd. Like, is she telling us she actively tried to find this person herself and failed?
Take an eye or an arm as a message to Meizhen, try to pull her into a fight via us, other stereotypically villainous behavior.
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- Location
- United States of America
Blah so this is obviously a test from Cai to see if we will follow the law, rules and be just or will we let them off easily because they are our friends.
She's most likely lying about not knowing who it is and regardless of the circumstances they are still breaking the rules that the outer sect members are supposed to follow
She's most likely lying about not knowing who it is and regardless of the circumstances they are still breaking the rules that the outer sect members are supposed to follow
Fuck, there's yet another complication if this indeed Li Suyin. Cai has all but hinted that she knows our background which is 'bereft of virtue'. Canonically, Ling Qi assumes she means Ling Qi's low status or her status on the streets, but I think it's likely that Cai knows about Ling Qi's mother because the Sect knows about Ling Qi's mother.
If Cai has been keeping tabs on us to the extent where she knows that who Ling Qi's mother is, then it's reasonable to expect that she knows who our friends are, especially our lowborn friends. Further, if she's as ruthless and calculating as she is speculated to be, Cai could very well pretend she doesn't know who the culprit is fully knowing it's our close friend (this explains the almost unescapable gap between their respective power levels). In this way, she controls the entire scenario. We investigate and out our friend: she knows our morals are (strangely) as solid as bedrock. We investigate and have Li Suyin stop: she knows we are more wedded to our friendships than our morals, but that we can control our group of friends enough so that a semblance of law and order can be maintained. We investigate and have Li Suyin stop and repent and for the entire thing to be handled on the downlow and she'll know we're leadership material. We investigate and find a patsy and she'll know we dirty.
Any way this ends up she wins. >:E
If Cai has been keeping tabs on us to the extent where she knows that who Ling Qi's mother is, then it's reasonable to expect that she knows who our friends are, especially our lowborn friends. Further, if she's as ruthless and calculating as she is speculated to be, Cai could very well pretend she doesn't know who the culprit is fully knowing it's our close friend (this explains the almost unescapable gap between their respective power levels). In this way, she controls the entire scenario. We investigate and out our friend: she knows our morals are (strangely) as solid as bedrock. We investigate and have Li Suyin stop: she knows we are more wedded to our friendships than our morals, but that we can control our group of friends enough so that a semblance of law and order can be maintained. We investigate and have Li Suyin stop and repent and for the entire thing to be handled on the downlow and she'll know we're leadership material. We investigate and find a patsy and she'll know we dirty.
Any way this ends up she wins. >:E
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I totally agree I was sort of just thinking by typing. We might be able to say no to the 5 yellow stones but get one of her underlings for the uber quest tracking down what ever is stalking people in the forest. I don't know if it is worth the risk of trying to do something as unseemly as bartering though.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Climb the mountain.
Edit:Yeah, Crescent Grace fails when the slope is more than 45. However, the ignore gaps clause basically negates that here because gaps not impeding us as long as we stop on the ground is another way to say we can air-dash as long as we start and stop on the ground.
Edit:Yeah, Crescent Grace fails when the slope is more than 45. However, the ignore gaps clause basically negates that here because gaps not impeding us as long as we stop on the ground is another way to say we can air-dash as long as we start and stop on the ground.
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[X] Climb the mountain.
[X] Climb the mountain.
- Location
- United States
Clearly the update could of just contained this part and we'd be satisfied. No not really.
[X] Take the tunnel
Guaranteed exhaustion over a possible fight? Well...that sounds silly. We can stealth up and get our first strike bonus. Plus maluses in the dark for our opponents and pluses for us. We're in a really good position for a counter-ambush. Let's go for it
Suyin needs to stop this anyway if it's her - and not only because she's getting attention from the fuzz now. I know she's disillusioned but someone who talked about being the exemplar cultivator and stopping injustice should not be stooping to ambushes at night into residences. And honestly, it's just bad for her and her future if she picks up this type of reputation, especially since given her Arts and her training, she should / could be just beating them straight up.
That's if this is her, of course. I hope it's not.
I don't really care about the pay; I'd probably spend an action on it anyway to make sure it's not Suyin.
I mean, presumably she is using said funds to do stuff like pay us, which is reasonable. She isn't just accepting the prestige and power of governing, after all - she is also accepting it's responsibilities.