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Bai Meizhen Quest Part 2
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BAI MEIZHEN QUEST Prt. 2

[o] Agree with Ling Qi's proposal.

Bai Meizhen considered the girl. There was not much to recommend her. She saw blue eyes, wild, unkempt hair, tan skin, an unfitted disciple's uniform, and a face more homely than refined. Her speech was rough, her manner blunt, her cultivation non-existent. Still, she stood and made an offer none else had dared to. She had to give the girl credit for bravery and perceptiveness, if very little else.

"I suppose that is acceptable," Meizhen responded, making sure to keep her voice clear of any warmth. It would not do for the girl to presume favor that did not yet exist. "I will warn you however. Do not approach me while I sleep, it is likely that you would die."

Cui added a little hiss of warning that was more miss than hit. Without the active flow of qi, there was little purchase her cousin's voice could find.

Ling Qi laughed, albeit a little uncertainly. "I'll keep that in mind. That would be pretty unfortunate wouldn't it."

Meizhen nodded gravely. "It would be unpleasant to lose my first friend to something so avoidable."

Smiling now, apparently relieved, Ling Qi added, a little diffidently: "I was thinking we might talk someone else into joining us. Safety in numbers, you know? Would you have a problem with that?"

A moment of stunned silence.

Cui was the first to break it. As a young spirit beast, her cousin had been perhaps overly fond of the tales of her father's exploits, not to mention the opera and had been trying to act nicely dramatic, but had clearly given up in the face of Ling Qi's... Ling Qi-ness.

"Did she not notisssse the... sssss, there are so many things wrong with that statement I don't even know where to start!" Cui hissed. "Is she simple?"

It took effort to ignore Cui, who was not wrong, but it would be rude to address Cui when Ling Qi was yet unable to address nor hear her.

"It would likely be difficult to convince another to share a space with me," Meizhen responded carefully. The idea had merit, though not for reasons of safety. "I would not object in principle though, did you have someone in mind?"

Ling Qi pointed. "That girl, the one with red hair, she's alone too."

Meizhen looked. Saw someone. Looked again. Then kept looking. Surely the girl could not mean that miserable excuse of a barbarian Sun princess-

No, she clearly did.

Was she out of her bloody-?!

"Simple. Definitely simple," Cui sighed.

"You... wish to share a roof with her?" Meizhen said, voice rising, not quite hiding her disbelief. Her head swung between Ling Qi's slightly hurt expression, and the evil devil voluptuous redhead. Meizhen mentally retracted her previous assessment of unusual perspicacity and courage as being Ling Qi's more positive traits and instead decided that she was almost unbelievably ignorant. Truly, the Bai family was in dire straits when it came to allies. "That is the eldest granddaughter of Sun Shao, Sun Liling."

"...Who?" asked Ling Qi.

"It's almost admirable in a way," Cui said as Meizhen tried not to look like she was choking. "Can you see daylight through her ears?"

"...?" Ling Qi questioned.

And that was Ling Qi in a nutshell.

The girl did not know anything. It was as if she had been raised by wolves - no, not even wolves, the Er Clan of the Snow-Shrouded Hills Province had once counted wolves among their numbers and by all reports they had been adequate, if undistinguished scholars. It was more like she had raised herself and sorely neglected her academics.

For instances:

About Sun Liling after having had an explanation about why it'd be impossible for them to share a roof: "Still, is there a particular reason not to approach her?"

About their residences: "So, what kind of residence do you want to take?"

(Her reaction to the modest dwelling they had chosen had been admittedly adorable: she rushed around, oooing over the small garden, poking at the ornamental fish pond like a small cat, patting the hearth with obvious satisfaction, and generally acting like it was a manor of unparalleled luxury instead of a one-floor stone house in adequate repair)

About the Argent Soul Cultivation Technique: "Bai Meizhen, do you know what this part means?"

Later, on the same topic: "What is a Dan Tian exactly?"

It was this last question that truly made Meizhen despair for her. She paused in her tea brewing flicked her eyed towards Ling Qi, frowning, but... yes, the girl was serious. Her first 'friend' did not even know the basic fundamentals. A mere mortal indeed.

"The Dan Tian," she said, stressing the proper intonation as she poured herself a cup of tea, "is the root of a cultivator's power. The core from which you channel energies through the meridians in your body. Filling the dantian is required to awaken and begin production of your own Qi."

She stared at Ling Qi's eyes which were currently furrowed in concentration.

"I doubt she knows what Qi is," Cui murmured. "Ironic, really, considering."

Meizhen thought her cousin to be uncharitable, but continued the explanation. "Qi is the energy which allows us to do… everything beyond the ability of mortals."

Ling Qi bristled, and it was all Meizhen could do not to sigh. Really? Pride had its place of honor, but could someone starting from so little afford its price?

"I know that much," Ling Qi responded defensively. "But how am I supposed to feel something inside of me like it says? It's not like I can sense any of my other organs."

Meizhen pursed her lips, and although her patience was formidable, there was only so far it could be stretched before she started taking short-cuts. "Give me your hand," she ordered, holding out her own left hand. Words were only so useful when it came to matters of cultivation.

"Why?" Ling Qi asked, suddenly suspicious. Of all the times to be suspicious, Meizhen failed to see why now was any different than before. Perhaps she did not like being touched.

"I will inject a spark of Qi into you," she responded patiently. "It will hurt, but it will allow you to feel your dantian until it fades. You will need to practice in the future to avoid the need for such crutches though."

"How much pain are we talking about?" Ling Qi asked, but held her hand up nonetheless.

Meizhen didn't roll her eyes because a Bai would never act in such a familiar fashion with anyone, but if she had been lower born, she would have been tempted. "It is painful, but my Aunt did this for me when I was eight. It should be no trouble for you."

Then she injected the spark of qi.

Perhaps she had misjudged the amount or its potency because Ling Qi doubled over, motionless, expression caught in a rictus of pain and desperation.

"Did you kill her?" Cui wondered.

"Nonsense," Meizhen replied. She noted the shallow, gasping breaths. "Probably."

A minute passed by, then two. Meizhen refilled her teacup twice, trying to remain calm. It was like being thrown off a cliff, painful, yes, but no one ever died from such a trifle.

Finally, to her unutterable relief, her partner unbent and drew in a ragged breath. Blue eyes glared at her. "That… that was more than painful."

"Was it?" Meizhen replied. "My apologies, you can feel it now though, correct?"

"I can," Ling Qi admitted grudgingly.

"You should drink your tea, then meditate while it lasts," Meizhen said evenly. "Otherwise it will have been for nothing."

Ling Qi quaffed the tea like she was in a barhouse, and Meizhen quickly retreated to her own room.

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You may select EIGHT actions for the following week. Six of these must be cultivation or training actions.

[o] Spend time with Ling Qi. You're living with the odd peasant girl now, and it would be best to get to know her
[o] Look for the Hu girl. Your family does business with the Hu family, you saw one of their daughters in the hall. Although a minor noble, she is diligent and posseses fair talent and is also very beautiful.
[o] Look for the Cai heiress, it would be a good opportunity to introduce yourself and lay to rest any unkind words about you that have reached her ears.
[o] Mingle with your fellow female disciples. Surely there must be some who aren't put off by your reputation
[o] Mingle with your fellow disciples in general
[o] Attend the training with the Elder focused on Spiritual cultivation
[o] Attend the training with the Elder focused on Physical cultivation
[o] Explore the mountain. Surely there is more than one plaza and two residential areas
[o] Cultivate on your own.


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@FixerUpper

Well we almost killed our first friend and she brushed it off...best friend get?

Even if I'm not Meizhen, Cui sure is my spirit animal.

Huh... I like this girl. She seems fun. Looks like she might not survive though, considering how little she knows. Either way, here's hoping she does.

OMG Cui is hilarious. BestSnek. This is the makings of a comedy duo. Honestly not sure what to think of Ling Qi- the stupid act is kinda overblown, but the fact she hadn't even learned to use her Qi is kind of too much even for a spy. Maybe she's some kind of prodigy? I admit I'm kinda grasping at straws here, but it seems really unlikely they'd invite just any peasant to kung fu school over a noble.

Wow, you know that someone is a total scrub when then say Dantian as two words. I don't think that we'll get very much out of the Elder's classes - correct me if I'm wrong, but if Ling Qi is at all representative of entry-level cultivators, the classes are likely going to be waaay to basic for us. @sillyar, what are the limits for x-ing down on personal cultivation? Double, triple, quadruple, or is there no limit to that at all?

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Boidojeb - Huh... I like this girl. She seems fun. Looks like she might not survive though, considering how little she knows. Either way, here's hoping she does.
 
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"Did you kill her?" Cui wondered.

"Nonsense," Meizhen replied. She noted the shallow, gasping breaths. "Probably."
OMG Cui is hilarious. BestSnek. This is the makings of a comedy duo. Honestly not sure what to think of Ling Qi- the stupid act is kinda overblown, but the fact she hadn't even learned to use her Qi is kind of too much even for a spy. Maybe she's some kind of prodigy? I admit I'm kinda grasping at straws here, but it seems really unlikely they'd invite just any peasant to kung fu school over a noble.
 
Well, they do see a box saying 'oops, forgot argent soul for meridian', but I guess it's at the end of the update.

I'm saying that I'm heavily for something like 2-2-2-5-10-2. You know, having Ling Qi's style have actual character than being a generic "is not awful at anything".

Incidentally, note that "balanced meridians" and even "roughly similar number of arts in any given meridian area" doesn't prevent a specialty from being developed. For example, a "massive damage from hiding" arm art goes quite well with a "turn into a shadow" spine art, a "create darkness around you" lung art and a "move like a shadow" leg art for a specialty in assassination.

It depends what the specialty is - a specialty of "sense all the things" would probably require lots of Head meridians, for example. But Ling Qi can have plenty of 'character' and not be 'bland' while still having a roughly even spread of meridians.
 
Incidentally, note that "balanced meridians" and even "roughly similar number of arts in any given meridian area" doesn't prevent a specialty from being developed. For example, a "massive damage from hiding" arm art goes quite well with a "turn into a shadow" spine art, a "create darkness around you" lung art and a "move like a shadow" leg art for a specialty in assassination.

It depends what the specialty is - a specialty of "sense all the things" would probably require lots of Head meridians, for example. But Ling Qi can have plenty of 'character' and not be 'bland' while still having a roughly even spread of meridians.
Agreed. Wanting our build to have "character" is a poor reason to choose meridians; choices of art provide plenty of character as it is.

That said, I also don't see a reason to go for a balanced meridian build, either. I feel like our arts (and therefore our meridians) should be determined by the capabilities we want to have - and if that means we want e.g. 7 meridians of leg arts to support all sorts of dodgy movement type things, I don't see why we shouldn't go for that, even if it means less meridians elsewhere.
 
Agreed. Wanting our build to have "character" is a poor reason to choose meridians; choices of art provide plenty of character as it is.
Not quite. Choice of arts should provide plenty of character as it is, but we aren't going to keep the same arts forever, and we shouldn't fall into a sink cost fallacy and try to.

So it ends up, after the mid term, that choice of meridian does end up dictating the style to a very large extent. Sure, you can have many different styles even with a balanced set up of meridians, but the many different styles would all rest on that very balance, while the opposite is true with a heavily specialised setup: the specialisation can heavily change depending on art used, and you can very easily change the utility arts/secondary ones, but while the specific style can change, it being about specific styles doesn't change.
That said, I also don't see a reason to go for a balanced meridian build, either. I feel like our arts (and therefore our meridians) should be determined by the capabilities we want to have - and if that means we want e.g. 7 meridians of leg arts to support all sorts of dodgy movement type things, I don't see why we shouldn't go for that, even if it means less meridians elsewhere.
Basically this, sort of: a balanced meridian set up means it is much harder to have 'all sort of dodge-y-set up improved by the rest, or all sort of sensory set up, etc'. It can lean heavily one side or another, but it cannot really truly have something we consider ourself great at.
 
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Agreed. Wanting our build to have "character" is a poor reason to choose meridians; choices of art provide plenty of character as it is.

That said, I also don't see a reason to go for a balanced meridian build, either. I feel like our arts (and therefore our meridians) should be determined by the capabilities we want to have - and if that means we want e.g. 7 meridians of leg arts to support all sorts of dodgy movement type things, I don't see why we shouldn't go for that, even if it means less meridians elsewhere.

That's both a flexibility/applicability question, and a scaling question. Where do diminishing returns kick in, things like that. Note that you can get more # from each and still have diminishing returns. For most people, there's little difference between taking 20 damage and taking 50, or 100. Therefore the 20 damage investment is just as good as 50 or 100 in most circumstances.

I tend to prioritize flexibility as very powerful, so a balanced build seems the smartest bet to me, as it lets us choose the build we need for different circumstances.
 
Incidentally, note that "balanced meridians" and even "roughly similar number of arts in any given meridian area" doesn't prevent a specialty from being developed. For example, a "massive damage from hiding" arm art goes quite well with a "turn into a shadow" spine art, a "create darkness around you" lung art and a "move like a shadow" leg art for a specialty in assassination.

We do have a definitive talent for spine arts though.

Notably, if we go by Meizhen's numbers, she probably only has 4-5 more meridians than us. (4 arts as mastered as she can have them with her level, 4 more at 1-2 meridians).

More notably, we can't fiat arts into existence. In this case, it makes sense not to open meridians up to our effective maximum, or we strongly risk either A: leveling up an art and needing a meridian we can't unlock reliably to reach the level beyond that, or B: Finding a fancy new art and realizing that we can't fit it into our loadout easily along with our other core arts.

I don't mind training an arm or two, as changing out attack arts is a useful thing and we do want some, but we should probably build more spine(innate talent)/heart(strong focus toward our support specialty) /a few others with our big action for the sable light pill and then leave slots open for when we have more arts we really want to equip simultaneously rather than pushing to the point where meridians get hard for the sake of relatively meritless symmetry.

We absolutely shouldn't ever put ourselves in a situation where FVM or SCS progress could be locked behind a hard to unlock meridian.

Edit: Hell, it is better to lose a free training action due to not being able to equip a new archive art than it is to risk locking ourselves out of using a potential great art for our build with our other stuff because we've hit our soft-cap on meridians we're not really finding arts to fill that fit us.
 
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Agreed. Wanting our build to have "character" is a poor reason to choose meridians; choices of art provide plenty of character as it is.

That said, I also don't see a reason to go for a balanced meridian build, either. I feel like our arts (and therefore our meridians) should be determined by the capabilities we want to have - and if that means we want e.g. 7 meridians of leg arts to support all sorts of dodgy movement type things, I don't see why we shouldn't go for that, even if it means less meridians elsewhere.

Well, most of the meridians cover the kinds of things I'd like Ling Qi to have some capability in. Four meridians is enough to support two or three arts in a given domain, and probably most arts end up using meridians in multiple locations.

For example:
  1. Leg: Ling Qi currently has two Leg meridians invested in Sable Crescent Step. I feel like she should have another Art that touches the idea of 'mobility', so that's a third Leg meridian. Either that or SCS probably would end up meaning a fourth is needed.
  2. Heart: Ling Qi currently has four Hearth meridians open already.
  3. Spine: I'm rather fond of the idea of arts that are ?/Spine, so this can fill up fast. Not so interested in 'pure' buff.
  4. Head: I would be surprised if AM doesn't pick up a second Head meridian. A second perception art of some kind could easily enough make it four.
  5. Lung: This one I admit I'm less interested in Ling Qi picking up more of, but I think FVM will need a second one, even if no more Lung arts are picked up.
  6. Arm: I'd expect a solid 'offensive' art to end up taking two Arm meridians, and I'd rather like Ling Qi to have two of 'em on tap.
I'd also be fine with "lots of arms with a Spine meridian, mixed with other locations", by the by - if she ends up with 4-4-8-4-3-3 or something, that's close enough for me :p

We do have a definitive talent for spine arts though.

Notably, if we go by Meizhen's numbers, she probably only has 4-5 more meridians than us. (4 arts as mastered as she can have them with her level, 4 more at 1-2 meridians).

More notably, we can't fiat arts into existence. In this case, it makes sense not to open meridians up to our effective maximum, or we strongly risk either A: leveling up an art and needing a meridian we can't unlock reliably to reach the level beyond that, or B: Finding a fancy new art and realizing that we can't fit it into our loadout easily along with our other core arts.

I don't mind training an arm or two, as changing out attack arts is a useful thing and we do want some, but we should probably build more spine(innate talent)/heart(strong focus toward our support specialty) /a few others with our big action for the sable light pill and then leave slots open for when we have more arts we really want to equip simultaneously rather than pushing to the point where meridians get hard for the sake of relatively meritless symmetry.

We absolutely shouldn't ever put ourselves in a situation where FVM or SCS progress could be locked behind a hard to unlock meridian.

Oh, I don't advocate Ling Qi opening meridians up blindly - I advocate her picking up arts for locations she's lacking in when necessary. For example, right now - picking up an Arm art. Is that not an effort to give her access to a kind of effect she lacks?
 
This has probably come up before, but given that Ling Qi had her hair increase in length, has anyone thought of an art that would allow her to make extra actions by giving life to her hair, much like Bai Meizhen gave life to her shadow?

If it would allow us to throw knives or play music to keep FVM up, it'd help a lot in terms of action economy. Even better, I'm hopeful that a spine art would be capable of something like that.
 
Oh, I don't advocate Ling Qi opening meridians up blindly - I advocate her picking up arts for locations she's lacking in when necessary. For example, right now - picking up an Arm art. Is that not an effort to give her access to a kind of effect she lacks?

FIlling in things we lack, or building for balance is good, but it shouldn't be our main focus, or rather, can't be done without a grasp of what we won't be taking out at all. We're still fairly limited at core survival skills and our own specialty of support, which we will train much faster than anything else. These should be our focus, with branches and detours to shore up weaknesses, not replace that.

Hell, if we assume 100ish arts in the archive, we could probably grab a level or two in every single supportish wind art in the archive in a few weeks. These would disproportionately tend toward certain meridians, and we want to be capable of being very good at our roll if we need to be.

It's better to build for the meridians we'll use most as support and find ways to change our loadout and build for more varied skill-sets using the same meridians solo than it is to aim to fill out everything at once.

Arts are modular, and after a point will become much easier to grab and swap, which seems to be the main appeal of a relatively balanced build. Going straight 4s would mean not being able to equip a single extra heart art until we expand past that tier or drop ZB. The latter is reasonable, but with support and party buffs focused heavily in heart, it's eminently reasonable to want to grab 2+ more party buffs (the passives alone may make a big shift in mid-scale+ battles, and that's assuming that FVM doesn't eat up more heart meridians.

With this in mind, if we're expanding soon, and building to what we lack, I think our ideal loadout at 20 should probably look something like this:


Head ===>3
Heart ===> 5+
Lungs ===> 3+
Spine ===> 3+
Arm ===> 2
Legs ===> 3

That's fairly uneven, but it's built heavily around our core arts. For the moment, SCS and AM are core defense skills, and we're unlikely to find better in the foreseeable future. Similar, but better arts, are probably likely to use similar meridians. FVM is a massive crowd-control/stealth skill that's higher leveled than the archive, plays with our innate talents and synergizes with SCS. It is not as essential to survival, and can be dropped in specific situations if we need the slots, but is probably worth keeping up for most potential loadouts.

So, building for balance around our core and the meridian slots we can see used right now, the above loadout gives a 'free' range of (1 floating between 3 buffy meridians).

Head: 2
Lungs: 2+
Spine: 1+
Heart: 3+
Arm: 2
Leg: 1

However, I strongly expect AM to use another head meridian eventually, leaving us with maybe 1 free slot. Lungs are also likely to get eaten by FVM, as is heart, while spine/legs may go to SCS by late yellow. This gives us presumable leeway in the areas we'll need to keep our core skills equipped, while still allowing room for modularity that focuses on the meridians most associated with the kind of things we'll do well at, and that benefit most from modularity.

In this sense, even though I'd add the fewest overall meridians in arms, this build still gives us the most freedom with heart and arm meridians, both of which seem to customize to effects that are more modular than core survival utilities (buffs/utility and attack respectively). I'd be fine reserving the sixth heart slot and maybe putting it in lungs or spine if we find an art that works there as well.

Edit: Of course, I'd also love to wait on as many meridians as possible and try to cram opening 9-12 into one sable light enhanced week, hopefully with EPC making this significantly easier.
 
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This has probably come up before, but given that Ling Qi had her hair increase in length, has anyone thought of an art that would allow her to make extra actions by giving life to her hair, much like Bai Meizhen gave life to her shadow?

If it would allow us to throw knives or play music to keep FVM up, it'd help a lot in terms of action economy. Even better, I'm hopeful that a spine art would be capable of something like that.
A hair manipulation art might exist, though it should likely be Wood-Spine I think? It's the sort of gimmick that makes a decent hands free backup weapon, though likely deficient as primary offense unless combo'ed with a badtouch art.


Incidentally, does anyone think Su Ling might know how to build a kiln?
 
A hair manipulation art might exist, though it should likely be Wood-Spine I think? It's the sort of gimmick that makes a decent hands free backup weapon, though likely deficient as primary offense unless combo'ed with a badtouch art.


Incidentally, does anyone think Su Ling might know how to build a kiln?

Su Ling's clearly a production student: she made her own white hart vest and has been collaborating with other production students. I'd be more surprised if she didn't know how to build a kiln.
 
Anyway sorry this is taking so long, but this update is gonna be kinda meaty content wise.

Hey, I have no objections to this. Huge updates are always fun, and this quest is good enough that I'd be willing to wait considerably longer than a few days.

I'd be more surprised if she didn't know how to build a kiln.

A better question would be whether she can make one that's hot enough, I think.
 
Oh dear, a 'meaty' update - clearly Ling Qi stepped further into the political morass than expected and is now enmeshed into a running four-way fight between Cai Renxiang, Sun Liling, Bai Meizhen and an insane bear-spirit.
 
Su Ling's clearly a production student: she made her own white hart vest and has been collaborating with other production students. I'd be more surprised if she didn't know how to build a kiln.
I've been trying to find a reference to it, but where did you see her creating her own white hart vest?
 
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