Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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For the same reason, unarmed voters that hate sword/jian should vote polearms... 
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Except Polearms are already winning handily so the only way for Sword or Unarmed to win is for one to switch to the other.For the same reason, unarmed voters that hate sword/jian should vote polearms...
Vote's closing soon, I think you'll have to resign yourselves to the fact that Ling Qi will be trying out a heavy polearm during the update. 
FEH
TRIFLING SWORD CULTIVATORS
YOUR NOB- oh we won
Damn well I can't ham up this rant anymore.
Still, for all of those worrying about the 'weight' and 'awkwardness' of the weapon, let me remind you that we are cultivators. No matter what weapon we pick we'll eventually be flying through the air doing weightless martial arts on the floating hairs of an oxen that was shaved 300 miles away while battling savage barbarian birdmen throwing lightning at us.
Swords are great, but every two bit wuxia MC is going sword and thats boring as heck. Running the entire Gamut from 'upright an noble' to 'unrelenting asshole'.
All that matters is your insight into the Dao.
And Glaives are pretty sweet
TRIFLING SWORD CULTIVATORS
YOUR NOB- oh we won
Damn well I can't ham up this rant anymore.
Still, for all of those worrying about the 'weight' and 'awkwardness' of the weapon, let me remind you that we are cultivators. No matter what weapon we pick we'll eventually be flying through the air doing weightless martial arts on the floating hairs of an oxen that was shaved 300 miles away while battling savage barbarian birdmen throwing lightning at us.
Swords are great, but every two bit wuxia MC is going sword and thats boring as heck. Running the entire Gamut from 'upright an noble' to 'unrelenting asshole'.
All that matters is your insight into the Dao.
And Glaives are pretty sweet
I sure wish I could access youtube which is what I guess the source of most videos people are linking here.
All of mine certainly are.
I'll try to find alternate hosts in the future.
@FixerUpper if you don't mind me asking, where the hell are you from?.
S'alright, unless they're literally Chinese sites odds are good that I won't be able to access them either. I'm just really uncertain what people are picturing in their heads when it comes to most of these weapons.
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Born in Canada, currently living in China.
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It's apparently a clip from a film called The Lost Bladesman. Essentially it's Donnie Yen beating the shit out of a crowd of spearmen with a guandao. He then destroys a carriage, steals a horse, and does some more heroic violent things.
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But we don't even use a sabre
You wouldn't happen to have a time would you? Because that movie's definitely available on tudou.
Grosstoad
Birdbrain - Dick - Rules-Lawyer - Creeper
Hmm, well... Typically:
- Bows: Long ranged, piercing, and with a good perception and stealth, we can take out targets from far away.
- Swords: Simple, a bar of metal with its side(s) sharpened to an edge. It is easier to use.
- Polearms: Farther reach in melee, and if sturdy enough, all its length is a weapon on its own. Depending on the head type, can do heavy chops or deep thrusts.
- Knives: Small, can be hidden, can be thrown.
- Unarmed: Your whole body is a weapon. Very close range though.
But we're in xianxia! As yrs mentioned, Ling Qi's physical cultivation is high enough that even with that low Str score, she can pretty much use all the standard weapons gracefully.
Bows:
- Expect accuracy up to the wazoo! Firing from far, far away! Well, once you have good Perception Art... Luckily FVM and SCS give some bonuses.
- Ling Qi can probably use even the longest and the heaviest draw of bows with some effort. Big and obvious.
- Damage might depend on where the arrow ends up (Dex), and how deep it pierces (Str).
Swords:
- The romanticized warrior weapon, it probably has a lot of combat Arts dedicated to its use.
- A jian is slim, so expect a storm of slashes and thrusts. A dao is heavy, so expect it to split the earth with a strike.
- Damage is mostly strength of arm, but again, seems like we can use grace and finesse to deal damage as well.
Polearms:
- Probably not as many Arts specifically keyed to this type, so would have to look for general combat Arts.
- Still heavy! DV probably even greater! If getting a spear-type, probably has some armor-piercing effect.
- Has reach! Can hit lots of targets with a single strike! Probably not as useful in xianxia melee, but might have reach extender Arts...
- While Ling Qi can probably use all the common ones, she probably won't be able to use absurd shaped or sized ones as well. Also big and obvious like the bow.
Knives:
- Still small, still easy to hide, still can be thrown, the weapon of those who slithers into dark places...
- While it has a low DV, considering its symbology to assassination cliches, higher grade weapon talisman might include armor piercing or various status effects.
- Might have a harder time finding an Art keyed to it. Probably cheaper to use a Lung Art that makes vast number of disposable knives for general combat.
Unarmed:
- Is not really a weapon of war, and requires heavy investment to be up to par to other weapons.
- Still quite romanticized as well, and might have a lot of combat Arts keyed to it.
- Might be used along with other weapons or Arts.
- Bows: Long ranged, piercing, and with a good perception and stealth, we can take out targets from far away.
- Swords: Simple, a bar of metal with its side(s) sharpened to an edge. It is easier to use.
- Polearms: Farther reach in melee, and if sturdy enough, all its length is a weapon on its own. Depending on the head type, can do heavy chops or deep thrusts.
- Knives: Small, can be hidden, can be thrown.
- Unarmed: Your whole body is a weapon. Very close range though.
But we're in xianxia! As yrs mentioned, Ling Qi's physical cultivation is high enough that even with that low Str score, she can pretty much use all the standard weapons gracefully.
Bows:
- Expect accuracy up to the wazoo! Firing from far, far away! Well, once you have good Perception Art... Luckily FVM and SCS give some bonuses.
- Ling Qi can probably use even the longest and the heaviest draw of bows with some effort. Big and obvious.
- Damage might depend on where the arrow ends up (Dex), and how deep it pierces (Str).
Swords:
- The romanticized warrior weapon, it probably has a lot of combat Arts dedicated to its use.
- A jian is slim, so expect a storm of slashes and thrusts. A dao is heavy, so expect it to split the earth with a strike.
- Damage is mostly strength of arm, but again, seems like we can use grace and finesse to deal damage as well.
Polearms:
- Probably not as many Arts specifically keyed to this type, so would have to look for general combat Arts.
- Still heavy! DV probably even greater! If getting a spear-type, probably has some armor-piercing effect.
- Has reach! Can hit lots of targets with a single strike! Probably not as useful in xianxia melee, but might have reach extender Arts...
- While Ling Qi can probably use all the common ones, she probably won't be able to use absurd shaped or sized ones as well. Also big and obvious like the bow.
Knives:
- Still small, still easy to hide, still can be thrown, the weapon of those who slithers into dark places...
- While it has a low DV, considering its symbology to assassination cliches, higher grade weapon talisman might include armor piercing or various status effects.
- Might have a harder time finding an Art keyed to it. Probably cheaper to use a Lung Art that makes vast number of disposable knives for general combat.
Unarmed:
- Is not really a weapon of war, and requires heavy investment to be up to par to other weapons.
- Still quite romanticized as well, and might have a lot of combat Arts keyed to it.
- Might be used along with other weapons or Arts.
HAHAHA WOW.
Okay, I see why people do not want to get the heavy polearm now. 12 minutes into the movie and Donnie Yen has some sort of fierce staredown duel with an enemy general. Both of them are on horseback. They start galloping towards each other, one a golden armor guy with a heavy spear, the other Donnie Yen with a beard and guangdao. I think to myself 'okay, that's pretty cool, we should probably invest in some ride skill, it'll be helpful for one Dragon Turtle turns as big as his poppa-'
And literally when I am thinking that Donnie Yen pulls on the reins so fucking hard that the horse faceplants into the ground like a goddamn motorcycle flipping over, clearly breaking its own neck in the process before he uses the momentum from his dying horse to jump up and cleave downward with the Guangdao to kill the general.
Heavy polearms: not for sissies.
Okay, I see why people do not want to get the heavy polearm now. 12 minutes into the movie and Donnie Yen has some sort of fierce staredown duel with an enemy general. Both of them are on horseback. They start galloping towards each other, one a golden armor guy with a heavy spear, the other Donnie Yen with a beard and guangdao. I think to myself 'okay, that's pretty cool, we should probably invest in some ride skill, it'll be helpful for one Dragon Turtle turns as big as his poppa-'
And literally when I am thinking that Donnie Yen pulls on the reins so fucking hard that the horse faceplants into the ground like a goddamn motorcycle flipping over, clearly breaking its own neck in the process before he uses the momentum from his dying horse to jump up and cleave downward with the Guangdao to kill the general.
Heavy polearms: not for sissies.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Don't forget that you often can find people able to cultivate the element 'Sword'. And swords have 'Sword-Light' and 'Sword-Intent.'
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You forget the biggest pro of getting a Polearm(specifically a Light Polearms/Spear) WE GET TO BE MOTHERFUCKING MINI-ZHAO YUN!
That's a nice list, @Grosstoad, but realistically the number of combat arts available for each weapon is limited only by @yrsillar's creativity. There's no particular reason for him to give, say, five options if we want sword arts, but only two if we want glaive arts.
Do you have any reasonable evidence that suggests any of that is true here? On top of it all sounding ridiculous, there's no reason -- if any of that crap exists -- that it would be limited to swords.
Edit: For that matter, the same applies for your crowing about Flying Swords. If it requires the ability to use a sword, as opposed to simply fighting autonomously, then it stands to reason the rest of the weapons would be able to do the same. There's nothing inherently unique about the swords' ability to accept cultivation energy or have formations applied to them
Do you have any reasonable evidence that suggests any of that is true here? On top of it all sounding ridiculous, there's no reason -- if any of that crap exists -- that it would be limited to swords.
Edit: For that matter, the same applies for your crowing about Flying Swords. If it requires the ability to use a sword, as opposed to simply fighting autonomously, then it stands to reason the rest of the weapons would be able to do the same. There's nothing inherently unique about the swords' ability to accept cultivation energy or have formations applied to them
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Except it makes considerably more sense in-setting for the Four Great Weapons to have the most arts developed for/compatible with them.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Because it's usually restricted to swords, and possibly sabers? This is suppose to be a Xianxia story, which means it needs to use the tropes and conventions of one even if its a deconstruction.
You forget the biggest pro of getting a Polearm(specifically a Light Polearms/Spear) WE GET TO BE MOTHERFUCKING MINI-ZHAO YUN!
Heavy Polearm and Light Polearm are separate skills. We're going for the heavy.
That's irrelevant to us. We're not going to take the whole of the Empire's history of combat arts, go "Oh, this particular weapon only has hundreds of arts instead of thousands" and throw it away because of that.
There is no xianxia story that uses every trope common in xianxia stories. That is an unbelievably silly argument.
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This is a true statement. Remember guys this is a weird world where weapons that are in the hands of cultivators long enough get souls and gain sentience and can be attracted to giant snake waifus and make babies somehow ....
(Cui having a giant snake as a mom and a assassin dagger as a father)
I'm just picturing donkey from shrek and how he made babies with a giant as fuck pink dragon....the logisitics....
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Except not all arts are created equally, some are just BETTER. So the weapons that are supposed to be the 'proper' weapon of the weapon-masters, the Sword-Saints and Legendary Spearmen... well not only will there be more arts for the four great weapons, there should be more BETTER arts for them. Like, unless you have a family art for a weapon, it should always be one of your first picks.
Arkeus
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'Flying Swords' in Xanxia also happen to be 'Flying Lotuses'. And Flying Fans. And Flying Lute. And Flying Donkeys. You get my gist.