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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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Mmmh, switching to
[X] Unarmed
[X] Heavy Polearm

Because Bow is safe, Chain Whip won't win, and Jian is cliche boring weapon.
 
Seventeen said:
You have voted for Chinese halberd/Ji, potentially under the impression it would be counted together with the Heavy Polearm vote. That ruling has since been changed, and as such you may want to change your vote.
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If you're gonna do the massping, then the Chain Whip people are probably a better target—they can't win at this point and you're going off a pretty old tally if you think my vote is still going to the Ji. I changed hours ago. :V
 
Both Jain and Unarmed are sitting at 33. I wonder how long it will take to break that stalemate.

Though I admit my biggest problem with this vote is we're picking up weapons before arts, when we should be tailoring our weapons to the arts we learn. Seems backwards to do it this way.
 
It was a gift from the QM though to basically have Ling Qi ask about weapons and try them out with Han Jian and Co. to get a head start on different masteries. And it's not going to be a big deal - whatever we choose will have arts tailored to them.

This is a quest after all - it's not like a computer game with set Arts and only that set.
 
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Katreus said:
It was a gift from the QM though to basically have Ling Qi ask about weapons and try them out with Han Jian and Co. to get a head start on different masteries. And it's not going to be a big deal - whatever we choose will have arts tailored to them.

This is a quest after all - it's not like a computer game with set Arts and only that set.
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Upon further though, it seems like a lot of arts are for 'genre' of weapons. Maybe it will get more specific the higher level they are, but FVM is no longer only flute but musical instrument, ZB is for any projectiles (so spears could work?), and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of melee art could be used with unarmed or weapons, though some would definitely be about 'blunt' or 'piercing' or 'edge', but amusingly unarmed fit all three.
 
Arkeus said:
Upon further though, it seems like a lot of arts are for 'genre' of weapons. Maybe it will get more specific the higher level they are, but FVM is no longer only flute but musical instrument, ZB is for any projectiles (so spears could work?), and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of melee art could be used with unarmed or weapons, though some would definitely be about 'blunt' or 'piercing' or 'edge', but amusingly unarmed fit all three.
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"I choose you, Torkoal!"

A poor reckless Red/Gold cultivator now has a fear of hurtling and flaming turtles...
 
And Heavy Polearm is now in the lead. Come on - four noble weapons if you're cynical, any number of interesting weapons if you're not. Why is the biggest heaviest thing available winning. It really doesn't seem like it fits our character at all.

These are the things you get if you want to start picking up earth or mountain aligned arts. We aren't the inevitable boulder rolling down the hill, we're the darting fox that gets out of the boulders way.
 
Hmmm, Dex-based weapon art using a heavy polearm...

+imagines Ling Qi using the pole mostly as fulcrum for acrobatic moves or in turn uses herself as the fulcrum+

Don't think about pole-dancing, don't think about pole-dancing...
 
tricholysis said:
If you're gonna do the massping, then the Chain Whip people are probably a better target—they can't win at this point and you're going off a pretty old tally if you think my vote is still going to the Ji. I changed hours ago. :V
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Eh, it was current when I checked. Still, I wasn't doing it to get people to vote for anything in particular. Just thought they'd want to know about the QM decision.

TheLastOne said:
And Heavy Polearm is now in the lead. Come on - four noble weapons if you're cynical, any number of interesting weapons if you're not. Why is the biggest heaviest thing available winning. It really doesn't seem like it fits our character at all.

These are the things you get if you want to start picking up earth or mountain aligned arts. We aren't the inevitable boulder rolling down the hill, we're the darting fox that gets out of the boulders way.
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The size and weight of the weapon don't matter here, since we'll be using Dex for it anyway.

As for fitting the character, if that were the basis of our decision here we'd have a lot more people voting for knives, but apparently they're not good enough to use anymore.

And there's absolutely no way that polearms won't be able to use wind or heaven or any other element of Arms art that we get, because if we choose it then the arts that get created will be suited for it from the start.
 
TheLastOne said:
And Heavy Polearm is now in the lead. Come on - four noble weapons if you're cynical, any number of interesting weapons if you're not. Why is the biggest heaviest thing available winning. It really doesn't seem like it fits our character at all.

These are the things you get if you want to start picking up earth or mountain aligned arts. We aren't the inevitable boulder rolling down the hill, we're the darting fox that gets out of the boulders way.
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Heavy Polearms are flexible and deadly. They are a mainstay of any cultures for a reason, and while a bit less romanticised than some other types it's mainly because they are more of a weapon used in war rather than outside of it. It is both a cavalry and anti-cavalry weapon, and it's not a noble weapon, which makes it fit Ling Qi all the better.

Our Melee weapon is there if ranged has failed us. Flute is our primary, Bow our secondary, and knives are our versatility weapon. Heavy Polearms, though? They are there if we need to put in some real damage and range has failed us. It's not something that we will use often. I wouldn't be surprised if we never use it. But that's the same thing as for a direct damage art, isn't it? It's something that's not part of Ling Qi's main style, but she needs it for when everything else fails. If all goes well she won't ever use those things... but she still needs it.

Beside, it's also a great battlefield sweeper, which means it might suite our army days well depending exactly what we do there.
 
Arkeus said:
Heavy Polearms are flexible and deadly. They are a mainstay of any cultures for a reason, and while a bit less romanticised than some other types it's mainly because they are more of a weapon used in war rather than outside of it. It is both a cavalry and anti-cavalry weapon, and it's not a noble weapon, which makes it fit Ling Qi all the better.

Our Melee weapon is there if ranged has failed us. Flute is our primary, Bow our secondary, and knives are our versatility weapon. Heavy Polearms, though? They are there if we need to put in some real damage and range has failed us. It's not something that we will use often. I wouldn't be surprised if we never use it. But that's the same thing as for a direct damage art, isn't it? It's something that's not part of Ling Qi's main style, but she needs it for when everything else fails. If all goes well she won't ever use those things... but she still needs it.

Beside, it's also a great battlefield sweeper, which means it might suite our army days well depending exactly what we do there.
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The Ji is an anti-carvery weapon and a weapon of the solider, though I believe it had several noble users as well - that's the light-polearm skill not the heavy. The heavier ones were very much weapons of the nobility. The Guan Dao was basically a vanity weapon for instance, special commissioned by a general in the third century. While in Xianxia (or Dynasty Warriors) it's a real weapon, in real life historians believe it was never actually used in battle but were used basically for showing off how big and strong you were.

You don't get more 'noble' then a weapon which is too heavy to use in real life and whose entire purpose was showing off.

I'm not fond of the heavier Chinese Polearms for a reason.

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I would be fine if people were settling behind the light one. But ornamental play weapons aren't my cup of tea, even if the are 100% in genre for a protagonist.
 
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Darn, looks like chain whip isn't winning and I guess we do already have points in unarmed...

Heavy polearm doesn't suit my image of Ling Qi though, can someone explain why it's so popular? Isn't light pole arm faster to swing around than heavy?

Also, I'm now rather tempted by the sword so we can use our off hand to pull a dagger or something... I just feel weird about three of our weapons being 2-handers. Bow, flute, and polearm.
 
Kai Merah said:
Heavy polearm doesn't suit my image of Ling Qi though, can someone explain why it's so popular? Isn't light pole arm faster to swing around than heavy?
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'Heavy Polearm' is what QM suggested as a combination of a variety of polearm votes even though the primary contributor to that category was the ji, a relatively light cross between a warpick and a spear. So 'Heavy Polearm' now carries the polearm dreams despite the difference between that and what people thought they were getting with that vote.
 
Kai Merah said:
Darn, looks like chain whip isn't winning and I guess we do already have points in unarmed...

Heavy polearm doesn't suit my image of Ling Qi though, can someone explain why it's so popular? Isn't light pole arm faster to swing around than heavy?

Also, I'm now rather tempted by the sword so we can use our off hand to pull a dagger or something... I just feel weird about three of our weapons being 2-handers. Bow, flute, and polearm.
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I'm not sure why it's winning, other then people want to avoid the Four Noble Weapons. Which seems silly, as they'll have the most arts, and it have the gleam of a 'proper' cultivator about them, which could help us socially (including if we want to stay a thief. Looking as upright as possible is in your interest we perpetuating monkey business).

Sword is very much a one handed weapon.
 
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Honestly I voted for the pole arm because it doesn't look like ling qi would use it. Like an enemy would be fighting us and be all like "

"AHAH I've pushed back your mist, and dove your arrow's your demise is-....wut? "

As ling qi tilts her head standing there with her huge ass pole arm standing ontop of her giant fire mountain turtle dragon pokemon
 
I would note that the reach of a polearm as a deterrent against melee or to push enemies away work mostly if you have the polearms readied before the enemies arrive, excluding the possibilities of instant movements Techniques and the perception Arts that counter them.

As is, a polearm is not supported by any of Ling Qi's current equipped Arts. At best, they offer a more damaging alternative to the knives when Ling Qi is pressed, but without regular investing into training the polearm up to par, the effect might flag and probably only more useful against lower stage mooks, and then she'd be better of disengaging and then returning attack from range.

This tends to happen to most secondary, tertiary, or circumstantial weapons and Arts, anyway. One example is how Ling Qi's knives is faring badly overall, since she rarely trains the Mastery, only upgraded the weapon the once, and have only a single support Art that works with the knives, which is diluted because it is more of a team-buff than a personal buff.

A bow, hopefully, is suitable with SCS's first strike effect, for hunting and ambushing, as well as getting bonuses from ZB. Knives can probably also get the same first strike bonus from SCS, but perhaps with lesser range and DV, while polearm might get first strike bonus, but Ling Qi has to stealth into melee range in the first place.

The only benefit a polearm might have... Is its possible DV. And reach, but if you only pull out the polearm when pressed, then you are most probably already in threatened area.

+shrugs+

Still, while a medieval polearm is often just a pointed or edged metal on top of a long wooden stick, in xianxia or wuxia, the pole part of the polearm is often enough a good weapon on its own. Sweeping attacks can damage mooks, whether they hit the weapon head or the wooden body.

Though, against a cultivator of the same stage or higher, using a lower stage talisman polearm is probably asking them to break it...
 
Grosstoad said:
This tends to happen to most secondary, tertiary, or circumstantial weapons and Arts, anyway. One example is how Ling Qi's knives is faring badly overall, since she rarely trains the Mastery, only upgraded the weapon the once, and have only a single support Art that works with the knives, which is diluted because it is more of a team-buff than a personal buff.
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... Ling Qi trained her throwing Knives mastery more than any others beside Dodge, and she only ever upgraded knives, not any other weapons. Knives are also her only weapon that's supported by two of her arts.

I'm not just sure what is going on here.

Polearm is not just DV, it also it's AoE, it's its reach, it's also it's style. It's like saying "this weapon's only advantage is that it's a really good weapon". I mean, if your argument is we should go bow/unarmed, fair enough. But as long as you want to vote for an actual melee weapon as one of your choices, polearm is not any worse than any of them- and arguably much, much better for what it does.
 
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