Yeah except in this case they even consider that to be a "betrayal".This is often a good argument but in this case it clearly states in the plan that they will be asked first and people keep ignoring that. Not much point debating plans you haven't read.
.......Meh fine
Oooooooh! Nice
I'm sure Han Jian can keep for a week. Our mother though? We just don't know! She could be slowly wasting away from a disease she can't afford the medicine for as we speak! Every second is more critical than the last, there's no time (theoretically) to waste!
No, that's not what Xiulan promised. She didn't promise to do everything she could to make Ling Qi's plan go off without a hitch, she promised to give Li Suyin another chance to prove herself. There was no promise to help to go through whatever Ling Qi wants to happen just a promise not to actively prevent it.
I mean...the 'we don't know' argument cuts both ways. "The outcome most favorable to immediate action or inaction is possible! Therefore we must act or not act, as my argument requires!" isn't super convincing.
I disagree, for three reasons. The first is that I don't think our relationship with Han Jian is in a particularly dire or irretrievable state, nor do I think it is in immediate risk of becoming so. Secondly, we probably should sit down with a friend and ask about spirit bindings sooner than later, and it might as well be him. Lastly, your assessments do not speak for the thread as a whole, and I'm frankly going to trust my own judgement of optimal behaviour and poster sentiment, which simply differ.
That was a good chunk of the joke. It's a pretty shaky basis for making an argument, but not always invalid. Context is really important in weighing potentials but I'm not seriously advocating pushing Han Jian down the line for the sake of our definitely 100% dying-right-now mother.
To be honest it currently reads as notes more than anything since I was just typing while finding reference points etc so I ought to reword I guess... Just not really sure how I want to set it out. I'll figure it out eventually
Can't honestly say whether that's a good or a bad thing...
See, my concern is always that maybe these things can't be postponed. What if receiving our letter keeps our mother from taking her own life? Or what if it would have, and we only find out that she took her own life after the fact because we send the letter too late? Maybe the tokens have a secret expiration date? Maybe this is the breaking point for Han Jian? We can't assume that anything is certain on this. I'm just someone who tends to have fairly laid back friendships with most people, and very strong friendships with the few people I let close enough. As such, I tend to vote as though everyone else is the same. It's not necessarily accurate, as different people have different natures, but it's what makes sense to me. (I am admittedly neurologically divergent, so I have difficulty understanding the motivations of most people.)
Not much. After all, I've already admitted that I'm voting based on my own opinion. Thus, changing my opinion isn't easy. Especially not with my previously mentioned neurologically divergence and the fact that my opinion is based on my own personal experience with people. But hey, at least I'm upfront about it and fairly polite, even willing to acknowledge that my opinion may not even be correct.
