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An argument I'd like to make to the people who are saying we can take socials later and focus on cultivating now.

Have you ever done a quest on SV? People tend to go for the shiny votes or the power up votes much more then they do socials. Most socials are practically ignored unless they provide some obvious bonus or come with some side ( oh you can do this while you train ). It's an exceedingly common trend and you'll see it more as the quest progresses. As we get more opportunities to advance in rank, do quest and learn new skills people are going to choose less social's more and more unless it comes with some obvious Benifit like training etc.

So far people in this quest have made some amazing choices in regards to balancing social and training and I'd like to keep that up. Remember Gu was supposed to be antogonistic towards us or at least unfriendly and now we are close friends.

We chose to do little side quest like shopping or letting her do our hair even tho those little missions had little benifits. And look how it turned out. We got a stronk ass bffl who is willing to go to bat for us.

All I'm saying is we are going to cultivate, we are going to get stronger , but I seriously doubt people are gonna use that extra vote later on for social once we have access to better stuff unless we fight for it.

So while the house vote may seem pointless I'm 100% sure it will have massive benifits in the long run just like many of our socials have had
 
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@Thor's Twin
can you two please edit your plan to actually warn the girls that the gifts we are giving them were looted from nobles so they should wear them discreetly?

Arkeus said:
We get %50 dice for each action past the first when cultivating the same thing. This is why most efficient cultivation is always to cultivate a lot of different things in the same week.

This is also why AS is a marathon, as it's most efficient when having at least one action toward it every week until we can reasonably finish it in a week.
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Ok, I was not aware of this rule.
Mr.rodent said:
An argument I'd like to make to the people who are saying we can take socials later and focus on cultivating now.

Have you ever done a quest on SV? People tend to go for the shiny votes or the power up votes much more then they do socials.
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Have you looked at this quest? we have been doing socials every single turn with a greater focus than cultivation. This would be the first time we would neglect socials to do cultivation.
Not only that, our lack of cultivation is hurting our socials

Everyone else goes into seclusion for their breakthroughs, there is no reason we can't do the same. dragging this over a long long time so we can socialize more now is just going too far to the other side.

You are basically arguing for Slippery slope fallacy. your entire argument is that if we dare go into seclusion this time to make a breakthrough we will neglect social forever from now on

Also, please recall that breakthroughs give us more actions, meaning more social actions can be taken per week as we require less sleep
 
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House vote, political vote with Han Jian, Gu Xiulan votes... all those would have massive benefits. My issue with plan house sitting is being mean to AS and not liking the trade with Su Ling, and only going for 1 breakthrough action if we fail is kinda low.

Also, well... like how socials is very important and shouldn't be put aside, cultivation is the same. Socials are good, immediate benefits that can have long term effects. Cultivation is a marathon though, and the rule is to never ever ever stop running.
 
Mr.rodent said:
An argument I'd like to make to the people who are saying we can take socials later and focus on cultivating now.

Have you ever done a quest on SV? People tend to go for the shiny votes or the power up votes much more then they do socials. Most socials are practically ignored unless they provide some obvious bonus or come with some side ( oh you can do this while you train ). It's an exceedingly common trend and you'll see it more as the quest progresses. As we get more opportunities to advance in rank, do quest and learn new skills people are going to choose less social's more and more unless it comes with some obvious Benifit like training etc.

So far people in this quest have made some amazing choices in regards to balancing social and training and I'd like to keep that up. Remember Gu was supposed to be antogonistic towards us or at least unfriendly and now we are close friends.

We chose to do little side quest like shopping or letting her do our hair even tho those little missions had little benifits. And look how it turned out. We got a stronk ass bffl who is willing to go to bat for us.

All I'm saying is we are going to cultivate, we are going to get stronger , but I seriously doubt people are gonna use that extra vote later on for social once we have access to better stuff unless we fight for it.

So while the house vote may seem pointless I'm 100% sure it will have massive benifits in the long run just like many of our socials have had
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Social is great, I love social. But sometimes it needs substance. Tak Han Jian for example, I'd love to do something social with him. But something real, and cool, but asking him about politics. That's boring.

The house hunting is something that really tempts me, but you know what I'd rather do with our best snake pal? Fulfill our promise to rise through the ranks of cultivation to assist her to show our gratitude. We promised this. I will not shrink from our social obligation.
 
AbeoLogos said:
Social is great, I love social. But sometimes it needs substance. Tak Han Jian for example, I'd love to do something social with him. But something real, and cool, but asking him about politics. That's boring.

The house hunting is something that really tempts me, but you know what I'd rather do with our best snake pal? Fulfill our promise to rise through the ranks of cultivation to assist her to show our gratitude. We promised this. I will not shrink from our social obligation.
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Did you just argue finding out WTF we've just stepped into is not real, cool, or important? Because if so you've just made a huge argument for him being right.
 
AbeoLogos said:
Social is great, I love social. But sometimes it needs substance. Tak Han Jian for example, I'd love to do something social with him. But something real, and cool, but asking him about politics. That's boring.

The house hunting is something that really tempts me, but you know what I'd rather do with our best snake pal? Fulfill our promise to rise through the ranks of cultivation to assist her to show our gratitude. We promised this. I will not shrink from our social obligation.
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It might be boring, but knowing how the cliques interact is important right now.

edit: Oh and helping Meizhen getting a new house mitigates her poor social and prevents her from making more enemies or giving her enemies another pretext to attack her and us.

Doing social has tangible benefits here.
 
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Is it? Is that knowledge Ling Qi can leverage? With what tools? It's sure not her social skills. Cultivation? Starting to lag behind the real players. Arts? Progression capped by cultivation. Plus this feeds directly into my argument of the all-consuming nature of social actions; when would we have the time to do anything with this know-how? We mostly already follow actions that minimize our vulnerability to interferance, to the best of the skills that we possess. Our success and social links poison others, nothing we can do about that really.

It's interesting but I'm far from convinced it's important right now at this very moment.
 
TheLastOne said:
If I put in cards, will you support Housesitter?
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This is actually something that I would prefer existing in any plan, but I haven't been voting for a while so why not?

Wait, housesit has Suyin + Su Ling social, right?

Another thing, can plan makers tell why they aren't picking any talisman from the shop?
 
AbeoLogos said:
Is it? Is that knowledge Ling Qi can leverage? With what tools? It's sure not her social skills. Cultivation? Starting to lag behind the real players. Arts? Progression capped by cultivation. Plus this feeds directly into my argument of the all-consuming nature of social actions; when would we have the time to do anything with this know-how? We mostly already follow actions that minimize our vulnerability to interferance, to the best of the skills that we possess. Our success and social links poison others, nothing we can do about that really.

It's interesting but I'm far from convinced it's important right now at this very moment.
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It tells us who our enemies are, if we can lean on the sect to protect us if they go to far, or if the sect will favor them over us. It will tell us which clans are now aligned against us, and what kind of techniques they might use, changing what techniques we cultivate to defend. It will tell us who to watch out for - we didn't even know that a major player might be waiting in the wings to ambush us, so we treated those eight who attack us as scrubs rather then as a detraction to pin us down. It will tell us who we might sabatage on our theving spree to hurt our enemies.

Those are just random examples. Right now we just thought we had a bunch of known unknowns. That was wrong, we have a bunch of unknown unknowns. That's completely unacceptable. We don't even have a map of what we don't know, so we can't ask the right questions or worry about the right things.
 
I have to get to sleep, given that it's past 3 AM, but people voting for Raging Fire please seriously consider switching to Housesitting if you're like me and consider it mandatory to do at least a couple social actions each turn.
 
[X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire

AS is a priority. We should finish it before moving on to EPC, which all indications say is something fairly special. Going without fully maximizing AS hurts us a good deal, and we're unlikely to swap back any time soon. Hitting this before the breakthrough for maximum benefits and speed is the only really sane choice to getting into our meatiest things as fast as we can.

Socialization requires upkeep while cultivation progresses. It's understood, and we've been told multiple times, that people going for a break through shut themselves off and stop being social for a while when they do. We can't "Do socialization now and train later" really, but we can train now and socialize once we've capped AS and broken through to yellow, keeping us up with the front of the curve and safely out of reach of most random threats and attrition through numbers, as well as reinforcing our value and talent to those around us.

AS is something we need done yesterday for this to happen, both for the later swap and the chance to maximize benefits on other progression, so it needs to go down as fast as possible, which means with the benefits.
 
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TheLastOne said:
It tells us who our enemies are
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we already know
also, knowledge without power is useless

[X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire

Double breakthrough would be awesome (heck, I came up with the plan)... but with the limit of not repeating the same type of cultivation action twice per turn, and how far behind we are on AS. I am ultimately convinced to switch to it for the long term growth benefits.
 
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Grosstoad said:
This is actually something that I would prefer existing in any plan, but I haven't been voting for a while so why not?

Wait, housesit has Suyin + Su Ling social, right?

Another thing, can plan makers tell why they aren't picking any talisman from the shop?
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Kay, voting now to fill both cards.

We aren't buying a third talisman because we only have slots for one, and we currently own two. Once we break through, we'll be using both, but we still couldn't use a third. Without a third Heart Art the amulet isn't any better then the two we currently own, but costs twice as much as them, so it's a bad purchase.

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mrttao said:
we already know
also, knowledge without power is useless
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Ha, no.

We know nothing. We don't even know the extent of our own ignorance.
 
Grosstoad said:
This is actually something that I would prefer existing in any plan, but I haven't been voting for a while so why not?

Wait, housesit has Suyin + Su Ling social, right?

Another thing, can plan makers tell why they aren't picking any talisman from the shop?
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Everytime I change my plan there's a chance that the change will annoy someone - for instance filling the cards lowers the remaining uses in them.

I've added the change you like, could you please vote for Plan Housesitting Pretty?
 
[X] Plan AS and Break
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Qi Foundation Pill, Argent Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Argent Soul
-[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
-[x] Inform them of the source and warn them to wear them discreetly.
[x] Cultivate on your own
-[x] Spiritual
[X] Breakthrough Yellow if peak red
-[x] If not at peak red open a heart meridian
[X] Breakthrough Silver
[X] Breakthrough Silver
-[X] If not Peak gold, cultivate physical

We are 4 or more turns (on average) away from reaching AS5, while it won't benefit us until we have yellow, we are getting yellow very soon. There will be a gap.
Also, we have a 50% malus if we try to train the same thing twice in one turn. So, for example, if we train spirit, then fail a breakthrough to yellow and train spirit again in the same turn, that second spirit training is suffering the 50% malus. We also have the awesome pills we shouldn't waste.

All of the above combine into a plan optimized to both manage our long term growth and breakthrough ASAP. With breakthrough we have better rolls on social and more actions per turn.

If the above plan works as intended (average rolls), we would be silver, 1 action away from yellow, and 3 actions away from AS5

If the above plan has bad luck on rolls, then we get as close as we can to the breakthroughs without wasting dice on double actions. and without falling further behind on AS
 
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[X] Plan Double Break
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Spiritual
-[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
--[X] If they could use them and refuse because they don't want a gift, offer to loan the stuff to them indefinitely.
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
-[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
[X] Breakthrough Silver
[X] Breakthrough Silver
-[X] If not Peak gold, cultivate physical
No. of Votes: 19
Plan: ◈Double Break
AbeoLogos
angelofwhim
DarkLight140
Dirk93
drake_azathoth
hcvquizibo
HidCyan
Karugus
Kipeci
notanautomaton
pheonix89
PrimalShadow
remulian
Serous
Seventeen
tricholysis
vali
veekie
Yun

[X] Plan Housesitting Pretty
[X] Two Red Stones. Fill one card with Crescent Grace, and the other with Mist of the Vale.
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support.
--[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
-[X] Talk to Han Jian see if he has any advice about the current 'political' situation
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow if at peak red, silver otherwise
--[X] Finish Breakthrough if first roll succeeded. If we failed, spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin.
No. of Votes: 18
Plan: ◈Housesitting Pretty
1986ctcel
Andelevion
Arbit
Asael
Camellia
CircleTheSkies
Ct613hulu
FixerUpper
Grigori
Hannz
Humbaba
Ishtar
Kai Merah
Kyr'am
Mr.rodent
Sirrocco
The Nomad
TheLastOne

[X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
[X] Resources used
---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
---[X] Spiritual
---[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
---[X] Talk about the politics of the last battle
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
[X] Cultivate on your own
---[X] Argent Soul
No. of Votes: 18
Plan: ◈With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
Arkeus
Codex
D.Rockstar
Delcer
Jeboboid
Katreus
Koden
Leviathan
LunarDreams
Neshuakadal
Shadell
Taparu
tenchifew
Thanatanos
theweepingman
Thor's Twin
TotallyNotEvil
Vanguard_D

[X] Plan all aboard the big team train, Yellow Ranger.
[X]Qi Foundation Pill, Argent Accumulation Pill, 2 red spirit stones
[X] Buy the needed Argent Accumulation Pill
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[X] Argent Soul
[X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin
-[X] Explain your reasoning for inviting Li Siyun and Lu Sing's group to the training if need be, and try to find a middle ground for things to work out. Maybe a mercantile transaction if an alliance cannot work?
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Give Su Ling and Li Suyin their gifts.
-[X] Spiritual
-[X]If Gu Xiulan is willing to be nicer to them, and Li Suyin and Lu Sing agree, see about inviting Han Jian's group.
[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X]If not at Peak Red, Silver
[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X]If not at Peak Red, Silver
-[X]If not at Peak Gold Either, Train with Han Jian and his group for physical cultivation.
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈all aboard the big team train, Yellow Ranger.
DiceOfStupidity
Rhydarson

[X] Plan This is not a harem plan
-[X] Resources used
--[X] Two Red Spirit Stones
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈This is not a harem plan
Raron

[X] Plan Breakthroughs Priorities
[X] Two Red Stones
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support. Let them know of their origins and to recommend discretion.
--[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
-[X] Talk to Han Jian see if he has any advice about the current 'political' situation
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow if at peak red, silver otherwise
--[X] Finish Breakthrough if first roll succeeded. If first roll was for Silver, spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin. If first roll was Yellow then attempt Silver.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Breakthroughs Priorities
Kshail

[X] Plan AS and Break
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Qi Foundation Pill, Argent Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Argent Soul
-[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
-[x] Inform them of the source and warn them to wear them discreetly.
[x] Cultivate on your own
-[x] Spiritual
[X] Breakthrough Yellow if peak red
-[x] If not at peak red open a heart meridian
[X] Breakthrough Silver
[X] Breakthrough Silver
-[X] If not Peak gold, cultivate physical
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈AS and Break
mrttao

[x] Plan Ambition
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Argent Soul
-[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
-[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
-[x] 1x Spiritual
-[X] 3x Argent Soul
--[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
-[X] Spiritual
-[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
-[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
-[x] 1x Spiritual
-[X] 3x Argent Soul
--[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
No. of Votes: 1
kitsune9

[X] Plan Sitting Pretty With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
-[X] Resources used
--[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support.
--[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
--[X] talk to Bai Meizhen about the politics of the battle
-[X] Breakthrough Yellow
---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
-[X] Cultivate on your own
---[X] Argent Soul
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈Sitting Pretty With All the Strength of a Raging Fire

Total No. of Voters: 61
19 Plan Double Break, 18 eachPlan Housesitting Pretty and Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire.
 
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