Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Dear god. 3000 pages? Is it even worth reading from the start? I'm starting to get into Xianxia but fucking hell, that's an investment.

The story itself is much easier to get through and considerably shorter.

The thread is so long because it basically never dies and we tend to get into long and arduous verbal knife fights, particularly when build plans come up.


Ehh... I don't think that this was an attempt to murder him right here. Meizhen is careful and will probably only strike to kill Kang when she knows that it will succeed. Attempting to kill a contestant on Sect grounds in front of Sect Elders would not go over too well and there would be backlash against Meizhen.

Even a failed murder attempt would make her look bad in the eyes of the sect when she needs to use the sect to further her own growth.

No, I think that the poison was damaging and probably would be lethal if left untreated, but it wasn't a super poison.

Xianxia loves it's idioms to death and there's one that I think the Bai approve of.

"Ten years is not too late for a gentleman to take revenge."
 
Ahh Gan Guangli, don't you know? The time we do the most damage to our enemies is when we are the most thoughtless and engaging in bouts of whimsy. After all, look at what we did to Yan Renshu! We stole everything from his money making facility in a bout of whimsy and because we didn't think of the consequences, and so we then went after him directly so that he didn't have time to respond.

An opponent of Cai destroyed in a single night because of whimsy.

They aren't defects, they're features.

Factually inaccurate.

We went after YR because the grinning moon quest. It was necessary for our continued growth.
 
I wonder if Kang Zihao realizes that trying to actively interfere in the Outer Sect is probably one of the few things that would let Inner Sect members run wild all over his pawns? Or that might end with an Elder personally bitchslapping him until he learns to be less of a total fuckboy?

Not that it matters what he does, because his ultimate purpose in the Inner Sect is to be an involuntary test dummy for our "humiliate Sun Liling" loadout.
 
Factually inaccurate.

We went after YR because the grinning moon quest. It was necessary for our continued growth.
We went after him for the quest, and found the directions to his true base at the first base we found. Then, because she couldn't help herself when face to face with so much cash Ling Qi robbed the first base blind and we were forced to vote to move on his true base immediately after before he went on alert.
 
Factually inaccurate.

We went after YR because the grinning moon quest. It was necessary for our continued growth.
My statement was, actually, factually accurate. Here's why
Ahh Gan Guangli, don't you know? The time we do the most damage to our enemies is when we are the most thoughtless and engaging in bouts of whimsy. After all, look at what we did to Yan Renshu! We stole everything from his money making facility in a bout of whimsy and because we didn't think of the consequences, and so we then went after him directly so that he didn't have time to respond.

An opponent of Cai destroyed in a single night because of whimsy.

They aren't defects, they're features.
Let's break it down.

Was Yan Renshu our enemy? Yes. He had aligned himself with Sun Liling and against Cai Renxiang when we had aligned ourselves with Cai Renxiang and against Sun Liling. We were on opposite sides of a conflict. Additionally, he was the one behind the frame attempt against us, meaning he had taken personal action against us, personally. Even if we didn't know it was him who did the frame attempt at the time, an unknown enemy is no less an enemy.

So, he was an enemy at the time we destroyed him in a single night. Now... did we destroy him because he was an enemy? No. You are correct in that we went after Yan Renshu because of the grinning moon quest, but I never said that we went after him because he was an enemy. I never specified why we went after Yan Renshu at all, merely that we stole everything from his money making facility in a bout of whimsy. Which is accurate, and something that Ling Qi regretted after the fact because it would alert Yan Renshu that his bases had been uncovered.

It was because of our bout of whimsy that we were forced to either complete the grinning moon quest that night or have him move and double down on security. So, we choose to do the grinning moon quest that very night, so that we would not have to face the consequences of our bout of whimsy.

So, because of a bout of whimsy, we destroyed Yan Renshu in a single night. The initial looting of his stockpile was a whimsy of our's, and that whimsy had the cascading effect of having us loot his primary base that same night. Because we looted his primary base and stole off with the stuff we needed for the grinning moon quest, he had to retaliate and that decimated his forces. His decimated forces and the information we uncovered brought his faction down. A faction that was opposed to Cai, or in other words an opponent of Cai's.
 
We went after him for the quest, and found the directions to his true base at the first base we found. Then, because she couldn't help herself when face to face with so much cash Ling Qi robbed the first base blind and we were forced to vote to move on his true base immediately after before he went on alert.

So?.

Whim literally didn't factor.

Stealing everything on a quest from a deity of thieves just seems like matter of course.


This obliviousness is not just a weakness, it's a total blindspot that puts those dependent on us at risk. Stop romanticizing it.
 
So?.

Whim literally didn't factor.

Stealing everything on a quest from a deity of thieves just seems like matter of course.


This obliviousness is not just a weakness, it's a total blindspot that puts those dependent on us at risk. Stop romanticizing it.
Stealing everything during the quest from a deity of thieves is not a matter of course. We were tasked to steal a specific item, which was held in the hands of a paranoid individual. When we stole everything of value from his money making base, it was a detriment to our ability to complete the quest because if Yan Renshu had learned of the thefts then he would have moved or doubled down on security.

When committing grand theft actively hurts the ability to complete the quest given by the deity of thieves, then committing grand theft is not a matter of course.
 
The reason I, and a couple of other people voted for the Grinning Moon quest is due to the fact that we correctly inferred that the target of the mission was the person who tried to Ling Qi's good friend as bait for her other friend. So it was totally a statement by a lot of players of the consequences for messing with Ling Qi's friends, which in typical Ling Qi fashion YR hilariously misunderstood.

Also something to keep in mind about Ling Qi being an airhead is that she lacks a good understanding of how much certain things are worth, which produces some rather amusing exchanges. For example Ling Qi giving a mortal farmer a couple of spirit stones in repayment for landing in his rice paddy, her bringing the proposal about using use of the pill furnace to CRX while consciously being careful to avoid screwing over Su Ling's friends by wrecking the outer sect market, and how generous she can be with her time/resources/giving others advantages.
 
He got no sold with his Domain weapon out and Meizhen just laughed it off without bringing out her own

That top tier disrespect lmao
Not just that. Her spirit companion was used only for incidental effects... and she ended his like they were barely even there.

I admit, i would have liked to have seen more poison symptoms from the boy.
 
Ehh... I don't think that this was an attempt to murder him right here. Meizhen is careful and will probably only strike to kill Kang when she knows that it will succeed. Attempting to kill a contestant on Sect grounds in front of Sect Elders would not go over too well and there would be backlash against Meizhen.

Even a failed murder attempt would make her look bad in the eyes of the sect when she needs to use the sect to further her own growth.

No, I think that the poison was damaging and probably would be lethal if left untreated, but it wasn't a super poison.
I saw it as basically a good old college try. Sure, Jiao would be able to take care of it, but as Jiao himself put it, he'd actually have to exert his personal attention to fix Kang up, rather than leaving things to the Inner Sect/Core Sect disciples like usual. It was harder to deal with than being penetrated by Sun Liling.

That says its basically a low probability, high deniability way to try to kill him. Wouldn't have worked unless the Sect fucked up, but its within what the tournqment allowed
 
Also I imagine over the sickened silence that reigned as Meizhen walked back up to her booth all you could hear is a faint pleased hsss hsss hssss hsssss from Aunt Susan

Being merciful is not a bad thing in moderation but also fuck with the Bai at your peril.
 
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Father had taught him that, before alcohol consumed him.

Something to note is that alcohol here is made using the similar process as medecine. This means that alcohol is costly, likes pills are at least to common cultivators.

His dad taking up drinking probably squandered the familly money which explain why Gan Guangli tasted poverty.

Her eyes blazed from the shadow of her liquid hood and even from her Gan Guangli felt sweat break out on his brow and his heart begin to beat erratically.

Something I already said on the discord but I feel bear repeating.

We train with meizhen every weeks. This attack is something we taste every week. It's barely noted upon, not anymore than any other attacks in her arsenal.

See how Gan Guangli who isn't a scrub, reacted to it, while 1) not being the target 2) being hundred of meters away 3) being in another dimension.

No wonder Sixiang compared us to a great spirit in how unflapable we are.
 
I think the thing I like about the Kang fight most is how it stands compared to Meizhen's other fights. In the qualifier, Meizhen showed some politeness to her opponent, went for a clean, decisive strike, and offered him the chance to surrender. Her fight with Cai was definitely a polite formality that allowed them both to show off and give face while leaving some aces up Meizhen's sleeve. And her fight with Liling was an all out, no holds bared, drag out beat down slug match.

Her fight with Kang was filled with all of the surety of the first match with none of the respect and all of the viciousness of the last with none of the effort. In every way it was Meizhen saying 'You are a fool who has reached far beyond his grasp, and is now being punished for his arrogance.'
 
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Something to note is that alcohol here is made using the similar process as medecine. This means that alcohol is costly, likes pills are at least to common cultivators.

His dad taking up drinking probably squandered the familly money which explain why Gan Guangli tasted poverty.
I don't think I buy this. Alcohol doesn't require a production cultivator or an oven. It's actually *really easy* to make lousy alcohol... and a lot of the cost of pills comes from the ingredients. The ingredients for the lowest-tier alcohol are cheap.

I mean, it's possible that he drank away far more of the family budget than he should have, but it's not because alcohol is inherently expensive.

Having your father, the primary breadwinner, drink himself to an early grave? That can pretty much explain why you might have fallen on hard times all by itself.
 
Something I already said on the discord but I feel bear repeating.

We train with meizhen every weeks. This attack is something we taste every week. It's barely noted upon, not anymore than any other attacks in her arsenal.

See how Gan Guangli who isn't a scrub, reacted to it, while 1) not being the target 2) being hundred of meters away 3) being in another dimension.

No wonder Sixiang compared us to a great spirit in how unflapable we are.
I suspect daily/weekly lessons from an Ice spirit who is constantly suppressing her urges to eat Ling Qi, and her daughter has a large part to do with Ling Qi's nerves of steel as well. This ability to politely ignore the instincts spirits have is part of the reason Ling Qi would be rather good at conducting diplomacy with spirits imo.
I don't think I buy this. Alcohol doesn't require a production cultivator or an oven. It's actually *really easy* to make lousy alcohol... and a lot of the cost of pills comes from the ingredients. The ingredients for the lowest-tier alcohol are cheap.

I mean, it's possible that he drank away far more of the family budget than he should have, but it's not because alcohol is inherently expensive.

Having your father, the primary breadwinner, drink himself to an early grave? That can pretty much explain why you might have fallen on hard times all by itself.
While alcohol is cheap stuff that effects cultivators was noted to require some rather exotic ingredients according to Su Ling who heard it from her merchant friend. Like it isn't as bad at the low end, but considering what it took to get Ling Qi drunk... it isn't terribly cheap.
 
While alcohol is cheap stuff that effects cultivators was noted to require some rather exotic ingredients according to Su Ling who heard it from her merchant friend. Like it isn't as bad at the low end, but considering what it took to get Ling Qi drunk... it isn't terribly cheap.

Hmmm... point. I hadn't remembered that part. I tend to doubt that it's at the same level as medicines for the same tier, but it's certainly a point that it's not trivial.
 
Hmmm... point. I hadn't remembered that part. I tend to doubt that it's at the same level as medicines for the same tier, but it's certainly a point that it's not trivial.
A cultivator's intoxicant needs to get through a cultivator's supernatural constitution. Ling Qi own drinks so far point quite clearly to that. Considering the refreshing ice wine she took at her birthday party would be sufficient to kill a mortal, and the Delusion Nectar was enough to send her and Zhengui completely and utterly smashed at a thimble worth(i.e. she took a shot about the size of the top of her pinky)...

...well, a cultivator delving into alcoholism can be quite expensive indeed. Especially when a lot of these drinks are likely to be made to be cultivation boosters as well as their primary demand. Heck, simple way to get utterly smashed: Use a drug rated for a higher tier cultivator.
 
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