Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

She just lost a big contest and we suddenly stopped wanting to see her afterwards, and then she probably spent the whole day being hunted by people for being our friend. I wouldn't be surprised if she is no longer in the sect once next week begins.

It has been a day since she lost the contest, if she is really distraught that we didn't see her the day after she lost the contest, and is going to leave the sect after that then there are a whole lot problems that we would need to deal with.

It probably sucks for her that she lost the contest, and I'm guessing she may or may not have wanted to commiserate with us afterward. However, we don't know if she was attacked because of us, or because people were jealous of her progress. We also don't know how much she was attacked.

She's not going to leave the sect within a day, she would need to communicate with her father in order to arrange it, and so we can stop it by talking to her this upcoming week and just spending some time with her.
 
Twins were Gu Xiulan's opponent, but Hong Lin wasn't said to be so, and given her grudge was with us I think she would have been 'added' to the fight of each choice.
Yes? Picking Gu Xiulan in the morning lead to Hong Lin+twin fight, Li Suyin would probably have lead to Hong Lin+??? and Bai Meizhen... would probably not have lead to a Sun Liling+Hong Lin fight considering Sun Liling's personality but who knows. Like I said we got the fight we did because we choose like we did. But I do doubt there was a hidden Easy Route just as much as I doubt that we are now on the Bad End route.
 
Yes? Picking Gu Xiulan in the morning lead to Hong Lin+twin fight, Li Suyin would probably have lead to Hong Lin+??? and Bai Meizhen... would probably not have lead to a Sun Liling+Hong Lin fight considering Sun Liling's personality but who knows. Like I said we got the fight we did because we choose like we did. But I do doubt there was a hidden Easy Route just as much as I doubt that we are now on the Bad End route.

Technically that would have been convincing Liling to share a house with Meizhen and us and then befriending the both of them but well composure roll screwed us out of that.
 
I am speculating here, but Bai's family has such a bad reputation that the flimsiest pretext is enough for people to go after her in a place where people, quite explicitly, consider an apolitical paradise.

And the thing is, our current opponents don't appear to fear retaliation.

Likely causes:

1) They want to do permanent damage to Bai Meizhen so as to neutralize her combat capabilities and ability to retaliate. Unlikely, you don't get into Zhou's class without ambition, and people with ambition aren't going to risk expulsion
2) They don't care. This points at a much deeper, underlying grudge and possibly means the Bai family is actively harassing their families and this is their shot at what they think of as comeuppance.
3) They believe that retaliation can be neutralized somehow, be it alliances (she can't beat ALL of us) or a guardian of some sort
4) The rewards are worth the risks (Bai Meizhen has a super cultivation technique they can steal? The loss of face suffered by the Bais is enough to get rewarded by mommy and daddy? they have a sponsor? something else?)
5) They are actually genuine about their motives: they're only here for us.

Or some combination thereof.

The way the scene is structured, people trying to cast themselves as good guys, the accusation of Bai Meizhen as somehow being a 'bully', this is starting to feel intensely political. Someone is aware of the optics of all this and is mugging for the damn camera. Worse, Bai is falling for it because she's apparently even less socially savvy than even Ling Qi with her sad, solitary dot in socialize.

This is how you beat the physical monsters using social skills. :V

Our options are... limited atm, but the implications are damnably inconvenient. If people are willing to gang up 8 vs 2, and against what is probably the second to fourth strongest student, robbing people blind isn't going to do shit for people who are just waiting for the chance to jump us. Tactics and strategy apparently operates on a wider context than personal battles and personal humiliations. This is what it means to enter the snake's nest of politics, and given the setting, I'm guessing that metaphor is not entirely figurative.

Right now, doing what we're doing, win or lose, we're playing their game. It's not a game we're good at playing.

If we can somehow get Bai Meizhen to make friends with ONE significantly powerful person, I think we'll have secured for ourselves one of the top factions in the school rather than an 'outsider looking in' position that we now vaguely occupy. In order to do that, well... m
y brain usually jumps to the most batshit insane solution, and here's what it has come up with: I think we need to consider challenging Sun Liling to a duel.

WAIT, hear me out.

Why are we doing this? To change the optics.

We have actually legitimate grievances with her:

1) She broke our house
2) She hurt our friend
3) After she left, mooks went and tried to finish Bai Meizhen off

Whereas if we challenge her:

1) It's going to underline the difference between the expendable eight going after us, and Bai Meizhen's pet mouse going after the damn mongoose
2) We're going to do it properly, letting her heal and all that. We can probably weasel a month of prep time out of it, if not a more conditional fight 'when I am at late silver and late yellow, or three months time, whichever comes first' type thing.
3) When we lose, we'll a) put up a fight, b) do so graciously. The point here isn't to win, it's to get people's respect. Sun Liling's respect is paramount.

Look, we might not be able to convince her to be friends with Bai Meizhen, but we could probably convince her to repudiate the more cowardly tactics used against Bai Meizhen, if only quietly.

Every fight we win is going to make us more enemies unless we can figure out how to turn those fights into part of a narrative stating how awesome Ling Qi is.

"She challenged The Butcher of the West's Daughter for hurting her friend, what the actual fuck."
 
I am speculating here, but Bai's family has such a bad reputation that the flimsiest pretext is enough for people to go after her in a place where people, quite explicitly, consider an apolitical paradise.

And the thing is, our current opponents don't appear to fear retaliation.

Likely causes:

1) They want to do permanent damage to Bai Meizhen so as to neutralize her combat capabilities and ability to retaliate. Unlikely, you don't get into Zhou's class without ambition, and people with ambition aren't going to risk expulsion
2) They don't care. This points at a much deeper, underlying grudge and possibly means the Bai family is actively harassing their families and this is their shot at what they think of as comeuppance.
3) They believe that retaliation can be neutralized somehow, be it alliances (she can't beat ALL of us) or a guardian of some sort
4) The rewards are worth the risks (Bai Meizhen has a super cultivation technique they can steal? The loss of face suffered by the Bais is enough to get rewarded by mommy and daddy? they have a sponsor? something else?)
5) They are actually genuine about their motives: they're only here for us.

Or some combination thereof.

The way the scene is structured, people trying to cast themselves as good guys, the accusation of Bai Meizhen as somehow being a 'bully', this is starting to feel intensely political. Someone is aware of the optics of all this and is mugging for the damn camera. Worse, Bai is falling for it because she's apparently even less socially savvy than even Ling Qi with her sad, solitary dot in socialize.

This is how you beat the physical monsters using social skills. :V

Our options are... limited atm, but the implications are damnably inconvenient. If people are willing to gang up 8 vs 2, and against what is probably the second to fourth strongest student, robbing people blind isn't going to do shit for people who are just waiting for the chance to jump us. Tactics and strategy apparently operates on a wider context than personal battles and personal humiliations. This is what it means to enter the snake's nest of politics, and given the setting, I'm guessing that metaphor is not entirely figurative.

Right now, doing what we're doing, win or lose, we're playing their game. It's not a game we're good at playing.

If we can somehow get Bai Meizhen to make friends with ONE significantly powerful person, I think we'll have secured for ourselves one of the top factions in the school rather than an 'outsider looking in' position that we now vaguely occupy. In order to do that, well... m
y brain usually jumps to the most batshit insane solution, and here's what it has come up with: I think we need to consider challenging Sun Liling to a duel.

WAIT, hear me out.

Why are we doing this? To change the optics.

We have actually legitimate grievances with her:

1) She broke our house
2) She hurt our friend
3) After she left, mooks went and tried to finish Bai Meizhen off

Whereas if we challenge her:

1) It's going to underline the difference between the expendable eight going after us, and Bai Meizhen's pet mouse going after the damn mongoose
2) We're going to do it properly, letting her heal and all that. We can probably weasel a month of prep time out of it, if not a more conditional fight 'when I am at late silver and late yellow, or three months time, whichever comes first' type thing.
3) When we lose, we'll a) put up a fight, b) do so graciously. The point here isn't to win, it's to get people's respect. Sun Liling's respect is paramount.

Look, we might not be able to convince her to be friends with Bai Meizhen, but we could probably convince her to repudiate the more cowardly tactics used against Bai Meizhen, if only quietly.

Every fight we win is going to make us more enemies unless we can figure out how to turn those fights into part of a narrative stating how awesome Ling Qi is.

"She challenged The Butcher of the West's Daughter for hurting her friend, what the actual fuck."
Yeah I'm getting a very Uchiha/Social Darwinist/Hyuuga/Einzberns/Matou vibe from Meizhen's family.

Particularly the fact that Sun Liling's corrosive(?) blood inflicted slow healing wounds that even resist magic healing and that her grandfather has "inflicted far worse in the course of training".
 
Every fight we win is going to make us more enemies unless we can figure out how to turn those fights into part of a narrative stating how awesome Ling Qi is.
We already have started doing this a little bit with the fact that Gu Xiulan has stated that we are her friends for a reason and that Zhou doesn't accept bad people into his class.

I can actually agree with the logic behind the challenge, especially since we can portray it as we don't want her stuff and she doesn't want our stuff. We can have a nice, civilized fight with her over a proper grievance. The problem that I am seeing is that there is no reason for her to accept that challenge until we are at least mid yellow/silver. Preferably late yellow/silver.

Another problem is that we are specced to be a support character, and would not do well in a straight up fight. This means that we would need to portray it as a two v two, preferably with Bai Meizhen as our heavy hitter and she has someone else on her side.

This creates another problem though in that people will still think of us as Bai Meizhen's maid and servant.
 
If we want to do this and I'm not sure we do, the easy solution is Meizhen and Han Jians group. Xiulan didn't seem opposed to meeting Meizhen (see talk after Zhous exam) and Han Juan's group is fairly top tier for the quantity / quality mix even if not toptop tier.

Other than that, fight first, social implications later.
 
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3) When we lose, we'll a) put up a fight, b) do so graciously. The point here isn't to win, it's to get people's respect. Sun Liling's respect is paramount.
I think Sun Liling's respect isn't that important at all, especially compared to Cai Renxiang.... But I think you hit on the head another possibility there.

Maybe their plan is actually the plan your are proposing. they aren't really expecting to win. Sure, winning against Bai would be nice and would make them famous, but losing would do the same. As long as Meizhen doesn't cripple them they are doing a social coup, there.

I'd strongly disagree they managed to pain themselves as the 'good guys' there. They didn't care about that, instead they cared about painting themselves as the one 'teaching the Bai they are has been', either by beating her or by showing that you don't need to fear them and can stand up to them.


"She challenged The Butcher of the West's Daughter for hurting her friend, what the actual fuck."
I think Sun Liling will be deeply insulted if she thinks we are challenging her because we think she has anything to do with this. This has nothing to do with her and was just a challenge to decide who is the strongest student (draw), and both her and Meizhen believes there is nothing wrong with what happened. Nor anyone else.
 
I think Sun Liling's respect isn't that important at all, especially compared to Cai Renxiang.... But I think you hit on the head another possibility there.

Maybe their plan is actually the plan your are proposing. they aren't really expecting to win. Sure, winning against Bai would be nice and would make them famous, but losing would do the same. As long as Meizhen doesn't cripple them they are doing a social coup, there.

I'd strongly disagree they managed to pain themselves as the 'good guys' there. They didn't care about that, instead they cared about painting themselves as the one 'teaching the Bai they are has been', either by beating her or by showing that you don't need to fear them and can stand up to them.



I think Sun Liling will be deeply insulted if she thinks we are challenging her because we think she has anything to do with this. This has nothing to do with her and was just a challenge to decide who is the strongest student (draw), and both her and Meizhen believes there is nothing wrong with what happened. Nor anyone else.
We wouldn't be, we'd just be mad about her hurting our friend and coincidentally leaving her weak for the Moronic Eight.

Sure it was just a challenge, but it doesn't mean we can't get upset about seeing Best Snek hurt and want payback.

I doubt Liling would care much as long as we're a fun fight.
 
Oh definitely. She wouldn't mind if it's a fun fight... But I think she would mind if we try to make something political out of it.

Also, while there is a real danger of Cui or maybe even Meizhen killing some of them, I think that for most of those disciples they are pretty confident the worst that can happen is simply being beaten and robbed, which is not really that bad as they are getting care package from family soon anyway. It's win-win for them. Being beaten by a Bai is their honour.

Bai is 'above' going after them again afterwards, probably. Ling Qi isn't :)
 
I don't think so. People fear her, but they also see her as untrustworthy, and unlikely to stick her neck out for others. They ask her to leave us to them, and I suspect they thought she would - that we would be beneith protecting while she herself was hurt.

I'm guessing if we had taken nothing we would have only had a small fight we could have won by ourselves - we saw properly stripping them as beneath us, so we must be strong and only the stupid challenge us. If we had only lifted Hong Lin we would have a decent fight - Hong Lin sort of was blatantly asking for it, and it would have shown restraint. By fully living up to the thug/greedy cultivator archetype we angered even more in sect and they came to show us our place.

I also suspect if we had gone straight to Suyin or Meizhen the fight would have been smaller - they wouldn't have had time to gather together as many people. By going to the market we gave them more time to gather together, but we theoretically would have had a chance to heal a bit and pick up new weapons/tools to help.

So I sort of suspect this is actually a serious fight that can go wrong for us, that we follow the set of actions to maximize it's difficulty.
I imagine that they'll enjoy taking us down a peg but the chapter made it seem like we were just an excuse to take on Meizhen. Even if that weren't the case and we were the target they wouldn't have got so riled up if they weren't already gunning for us
negative aspects of the Meizhen social link are coming out to play.

This felt more and more like she and her 'indiscretions' were just an excuse to take a shot at a wounded Meizhen.
Also really want to show up at Sun Liling's house with Meizhen in our arms telling her to take responsibility. Wouldn't be surprised to see she had the biggest place, as a display of dominance, and I don't think we've seen her with female friends...
 
It's win-win for them. Being beaten by a Bai is their honour.
While that may be true, and they could use this to point to Bai being a bully towards others for their elder siblings in the sect, it's possible that they are all greedy little people who aren't thinking very far ahead.

Numbers are an advantage only if you can bring them to bear against your opponent. It could be that if they are just a thrown together group of people, they might hit the melee fighters with projectiles and other damaging arts. While this would be hilarious, it's probably not going to be happening as that would be the extremely favorable outcome. Well, whatever the outcome, let us hope that it is an engaging and interesting fight! (Not really, I really want it to be a curb stomp on the other people, but that is probably not going to happen)
 
If we're looking to help Meizhen make some more allies with political influence, we should introduce her to Xiulan. She briefly praised Meizhen's family when we were discussing Yu's paralysis after Zhou's Exam and I think she may have been happy that Meizhen hurt Yu.

Meizhen's family are outsiders and Xiulan's family is looked down upon because of regionist sentiments. Ideally, I'd like them to get along, if that isn't possible, at least nurture their political allegiances for when we graduate from the Sect. Once we introduce Meizhen to Xiulan, we can then have Xiulan introduce her to the rest of our battlegroup because I have no trust in Ling Qi's social ability after the last time we tried with Suyin and Ling.
 
While that may be true, and they could use this to point to Bai being a bully towards others for their elder siblings in the sect, it's possible that they are all greedy little people who aren't thinking very far ahead.
I don't think they are thinking far ahead, I am thinking it's very possible they are thinking "We'll show how awesome we are". This isn't about showing Bai as a bully, it's about showing they have balls.
 
Meizhen's family are outsiders and Xiulan's family is looked down upon because of regionist sentiments. Ideally, I'd like them to get along, if that isn't possible, at least nurture their political allegiances for when we graduate from the Sect. Once we introduce Meizhen to Xiulan, we can then have Xiulan introduce her to the rest of our battlegroup because I have no trust in Ling Qi's social ability after the last time we tried with Suyin and Ling.
It would be an interesting angle to pursue. With our knowledge that the Gu family is a descendant of an ancient and powerful cultivating family, and that the Bai family is still extremely strong despite the erosion of their power base it would be interesting to see if Qi could get an alliance between the two.
However, alliances with the Bai family is inherently setting yourself up against the current Dynasty and government, which would make any alliance with politically savvy clans difficult at best.
 
It would be an interesting angle to pursue. With our knowledge that the Gu family is a descendant of an ancient and powerful cultivating family, and that the Bai family is still extremely strong despite the erosion of their power base it would be interesting to see if Qi could get an alliance between the two.
However, alliances with the Bai family is inherently setting yourself up against the current Dynasty and government, which would make any alliance with politically savvy clans difficult at best.
I agree, one my hopes is that alliances within the Sect will be easier to make now that they're more isolated from the political influences of their families and that they may not consider these alliances to be too formal. However regardless of what allegiances their families desire, if we manage to nurture a friendship between Xiulan and Meizhen, after we graduate that'll carry over to a degree even if it isn't perfect.

The idea is to sort of trick them into befriending each other in a less formal setting where they don't feel it will matter as much, and have that carry over to global politics when they actually graduate. Another reason I want to do this is that because Meizhen's household has so many enemies and I feel like we're probably going to end up working under her, I'd like to preemptively stack as many political alliances on her side as possible. There's also this lingering paranoia that there's going to be some sort of civil war with Meizhen's family and a few others competing for the throne.
 
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It will be interesting to see if the Bai family held the throne before the latest Dynasty, it would explain some of the animosity.
 
It would be an interesting angle to pursue. With our knowledge that the Gu family is a descendant of an ancient and powerful cultivating family, and that the Bai family is still extremely strong despite the erosion of their power base it would be interesting to see if Qi could get an alliance between the two.
However, alliances with the Bai family is inherently setting yourself up against the current Dynasty and government, which would make any alliance with politically savvy clans difficult at best.
Which is why Sun Liling is a great choice, she's a princess and she gives no fucks :3
 
I'll give more complete and coherent answers in a few hours, got stuff to do.

Yeah I'm getting a very Uchiha/Social Darwinist/Hyuuga/Einzberns/Matou vibe from Meizhen's family.

Particularly the fact that Sun Liling's corrosive(?) blood inflicted slow healing wounds that even resist magic healing and that her grandfather has "inflicted far worse in the course of training".

Given how little we know of her family beyond HARDCORE TRAINING, it's hard to tell if Meizhen is a typical or atypical example. I'm hoping atypical.

Here she is, in a place where she has no (expected) allies and HAS to rise to the top because people are gunning for her, and she seems - not exactly pleased, but cheerful enough for someone who doesn't really emote.

Honestly, it sounds like she's taken a bit of a self-study vacation, and has been, in between study sessions, ogling pretty girls at the beach for the past three months. Like, she's super serious and studious, but show her a pretty face and she gets charmingly goofy.

This was probably not what her parents expected or wanted. They were all 'bwahaha, she will learn to crush her lessers beneath her feet and walk a bloody road' and Bai Meizhen is in pure yuri princess mode going: omg, she's so hot, keep it together Meizhen, keep it together-

Hot Girl: "Hello, Bai."

Bai (unibtentionally unleashes qi): "HELLO, WHAT NICE WEATHER WE ARE HAVING, FELLOW DISCIPLE, YEAH?"

Hot Girl: *turns white and quickly walks away*

Bai: "Nailed it."

We already have started doing this a little bit with the fact that Gu Xiulan has stated that we are her friends for a reason and that Zhou doesn't accept bad people into his class.

I can actually agree with the logic behind the challenge, especially since we can portray it as we don't want her stuff and she doesn't want our stuff. We can have a nice, civilized fight with her over a proper grievance. The problem that I am seeing is that there is no reason for her to accept that challenge until we are at least mid yellow/silver. Preferably late yellow/silver.

Another problem is that we are specced to be a support character, and would not do well in a straight up fight. This means that we would need to portray it as a two v two, preferably with Bai Meizhen as our heavy hitter and she has someone else on her side.

This creates another problem though in that people will still think of us as Bai Meizhen's maid and servant.

Either the pure support build is powerful enough for a truly ambitious solo goal, or we have to rethink some of it. (Personally, I think its long-term viability depends on how powerful and relevant spirit beasts are in fights).

I've said it before: I'm not against it, but those who think support is a genuinely strong build, then money, meet mouth, etc.

We can challenge her Sun and have her accept, but, like with Bai, getting her to accept would involve some element of insult. I'm hoping that she'll accept a raincheck instead.

As for the maid rumors.... it'd be like the Queen of Spain's maid challenging the actual Queen of France to a duel though. In context, completely unbelievable, unless the bodyguard rumors are true. :V

I think Sun Liling's respect isn't that important at all, especially compared to Cai Renxiang.... But I think you hit on the head another possibility there.

Maybe their plan is actually the plan your are proposing. they aren't really expecting to win. Sure, winning against Bai would be nice and would make them famous, but losing would do the same. As long as Meizhen doesn't cripple them they are doing a social coup, there.

I'd strongly disagree they managed to pain themselves as the 'good guys' there. They didn't care about that, instead they cared about painting themselves as the one 'teaching the Bai they are has been', either by beating her or by showing that you don't need to fear them and can stand up to them.



I think Sun Liling will be deeply insulted if she thinks we are challenging her because we think she has anything to do with this. This has nothing to do with her and was just a challenge to decide who is the strongest student (draw), and both her and Meizhen believes there is nothing wrong with what happened. Nor anyone else.

I'm kind of counting on the insult factor to rearrange the optics (from 'wow, those kids challenged a Bai, to 'the goddamn commoner was so pissed at their cowardly conduct she went and accused the first name that popped into her head') and have her accept the hilariously lopsided duel because of that personal insult to her honor.

I think that if anyone from our graduating class is going to join us on the field during our army service period, it's Sun Liling. Long-term wise, it would be a good idea to cultivate those relationships as almost everyone we know (except Su Ling, maybe) don't have compulsory.military service.
 
Which is why Sun Liling is a great choice, she's a princess and she gives no fucks :3
Sun liling actually seems like she is very much pro-empire and against-Bai. Now, it would be possible to change her mind with enough work, but she's probably a much worse choice than Cai Renxiang for that, especially as Meizhen herself has some animosity against Sun Liling's family it seems.
 
Which is why Sun Liling is a great choice, she's a princess and she gives no fucks :3

Eh, she set herself as an enemy of Meizhen the first day, and has solidified that position now. Without some oil to sooth the waters from her side, I would not go there. Maybe we would have had a chance to do a defeat equals friendship if we were in that fight, but we weren't. I'm placing her in the 'antagonist' column for now.
 
I should note, this 'challenge Sun Liling' plan is even less serious than my 'keep Hong Ling's Guais to hit Huang Da with them' plan, so, think of it more as a thought exercise than a serious plan.

IC-wise, I can't even imagine how Ling Qi would justify it to herself, for starters.
 
Either the pure support build is powerful enough for a truly ambitious solo goal, or we have to rethink some of it. (Personally, I think its long-term viability depends on how powerful and relevant spirit beasts are in fights).

I've said it before: I'm not against it, but those who think support is a genuinely strong build, then money, meet mouth, etc.

We can challenge her Sun and have her accept, but, like with Bai, getting her to accept would involve some element of insult. I'm hoping that she'll accept a raincheck instead.

As for the maid rumors.... it'd be like the Queen of Spain's maid challenging the actual Queen of France to a duel though. In context, completely unbelievable, unless the bodyguard rumors are true. :V

Is it possible to think that support is a genuinely strong build but can't do solo well at all? Because that's my view.

I'm... are you going "this is so unbelievable that it must work" 'logic'? because that's not funny. OTOH it's not unbelievable at all, and Sun Liling is going to receive a lot of challenges by people when they either catch up to her or she gets in inner sect.
I'm kind of counting on the insult factor to rearrange the optics (from 'wow, those kids challenged a Bai, to 'the goddamn commoner was so pissed at their cowardly conduct she went and accused the first name that popped into her head') and have her accept the hilariously lopsided duel because of that personal insult to her honor.

I think that if anyone from our graduating class is going to join us on the field during our army service period, it's Sun Liling. Long-term wise, it would be a good idea to cultivate those relationships as almost everyone we know (except Su Ling, maybe) don't have compulsory.military service.
Yeah... I think it's a funny idea, and I think that if we do it it might very well work if only because @yrsillar is willing to work with outrageous ideas... but I think this is also "wouldn't this be awesome" idea rather than logical idea.

I doubt it. Sun Liling might be in the army, but she is not the most likely. The most likely are in fact Han Jian's group. I mean, I get you find Sun Liling cool, but even beyond Han Jian' group there is Ji Rong that most likely will be there. Li Suyin is a possible too. Sun Liling is... less so.
Which is why Sun Liling is a great choice, she's a princess and she gives no fucks :3
Mmmh. Sun Liling actually seemed full on "I hate central noble and their pansy ways", a bit like how Gu Xiulan is "I hate scholars and their lack of instincts".
 
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I should note, this 'challenge Sun Liling' plan is even less serious than my 'keep Hong Ling's Guais to hit Huang Da with them' plan

Wait ... that was a joke?

In all seriousness, our ability to help Meizhen form alliances and create a power block in the upper echelons of the class is going to heavily rely on either getting to know more people and creating additional social links or getting Meizhen to form an alliance with Han Jian and his company. Right now I'm not seeing us being able to do either, as an alliance with the Bai family is an alliance against the current regime. What we can do, is become one of the four most important people in our class by getting strong enough. If we can manage to get up to Bai Meizhen's level of power, then the political game in this class of the sect becomes a lot more interesting.

We would be the wild card without any history or strong family alliances. Which means that whichever side of the pseudo-triangle (Cai, Bai, Sun) we support will get an advantage in any fight against the other part of the triangle. This creates a need for the other two parts of the triangle to form up and then power blocks would form around each alliance. Unfortunately, the Bai family is not very popular and so a Cai/Sun alliance would garner a lot more of the lower level support amongst the class.

Of course this is all from the top of my head without any support at all, but this could be a plausible way divisions in the class grow over the next year if we are able to get that strong in that amount of time.
 
I don't think they are thinking far ahead, I am thinking it's very possible they are thinking "We'll show how awesome we are". This isn't about showing Bai as a bully, it's about showing they have balls.

This is why I want to strip them nekkid and humiliate the fuck out of them if we win. If the sect had enough flagpoles, or any at all, I'd be advocating to hang them up on said flagpoles as a glorious display of "Why you do not use us as an excuse to fuck with our friend". I mean, besides the fact that Ling Qi herself noted that this sounded more like an excuse to gang up on wounded Bai, just look at the progression here.

"She has insulted all of us deeply with her conduct," the boy replied stiffly. "Elevating herself above her station, being rude to her betters, and now beating and robbing Hong Lin and the Zhu siblings? If you cannot discipline your servants, it falls to us, your peers to do it for you."

Note that "beating and robbing" was last on the list of offences. And I suspect that they're even more offended by the "beating" than the "robbing". Also, the boy says things "stiffly", not just here, but several times later on too. To me, this sounds like he's following a script.

"It is the two of you who are being too arrogant. If you will not stand aside Bai Meizhen, then you will find yourself our enemy as well. Many of us have older siblings and relatives in the sect. Do you think you can simply bully everyone and get away with it? You are hardly in the sort of shape to contest us all in any case."

Where did the "bully everyone" come from? As far as we can tell, Meizhen has been peacefully keeping to herself most of the time. He's totally picking a fight with Meizhen coz she's wounded, and even Ling Qi picks up on that, as shown below.

This felt more and more like she and her 'indiscretions' were just an excuse to take a shot at a wounded Meizhen.

Then right after that, he starts talking "stiffly" again, like he's following a script, and deliberately insults Meizhen every way he can, including throwing the death of a close family member of hers in her face.

"The Bai clan has always been too proud," the boy replied stiffly, drawing the straight sword that had been sheathed on his belt. "It's history is indeed mighty… but the rot you speak of lies within your own house. While the empire grows strong, you turn on yourselves and devour your own. The days in which your clan could do whatever it wished have passed, or has your family forgotten the execution of Bai Meilien so quickly?"

It cannot be more obvious that he is deliberately provoking Meizhen, and Ling Qi is quite incidental to the whole affair. They gathered in these numbers not for Ling Qi, but because they're pathetic scrubs and they know their only hope of overpowering even a wounded Meizhen is with overwhelming numbers.
 
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