Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

The thing is that on the larger stage, Shen Hu isn't an enemy. In some sense, I would have been happier if they both advanced but neither showed anything off. The more tricks Ling Qi kept in the bag until she fought someone directly in Liling's camp or in an elimination stage, the better.
...What?

We didn't use a single trump though. The closest thing was hinting at Sixiangs existence through Ling Qis ability to shake off Shen Hu's spiritual attacks even as he brute forced it through a maxxed-out Argent Mirror.

The closest thing to a "trump card" we showed was Traveler's End, in how it tanked that single-use dispel talisman.
 
The thing is that on the larger stage, Shen Hu isn't an enemy. In some sense, I would have been happier if they both advanced but neither showed anything off. The more tricks Ling Qi kept in the bag until she fought someone directly in Liling's camp or in an elimination stage, the better.
No, as I mentioned before Ling Qi absolutely had to show off. Keeping things more tamed and hidden would have been a valid strategy and even the preferred if Gan hadnt gotten his ass pounded, but he did. We absolutely had to show off some impressive stuff in order to regain the prestige and face Cai lost before hand.

We are walking on a tightrope, but we absolutely had to show our stuff in order to demonstrate that Cai's judgement and ability to scout for Talent are worthy of someone who is heir to a dukedom.

To do anything else would be to doom Cai to a reputation of being a mediocre leader. Which is devastating to a leader. Leaders can be weaker as fighters comparatively speaking, but they cannot have poor judgement and have no ability to appraise and scout for talent. The former is damaging, but not insurmountable. The latter is the stuff that breaks houses and lineages.

A reputation for that would damn her efforts to build up an bigger inner circle in the future even if she wins.
 
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Normally the mass combat round would be relatively boring, because nobody is going to take risks if they can help it, and so you'd not be seeing Greens dueling. Everyone would be playing to keep their ace cards hidden and win with a minimum of effort.

We saw the masses of contestants who were our enemy arrayed against us and used them as guilt free snacks.
We saw the arena given to us and turned it to a great show.
We saw a challenge and met it.

Are you not entertained?!
For a relative unknown, that is a lot of cards to show. Under any other circumstances, Shen Hu would be the unexpected dark horse of this tournament if it hadn't been clear that Ling Qi was winning in spite of him ripping off her own hit and run tactics. To the point where he simply abandoned engaging her altogether in favor of striving to end the match before she could beat him.

Like, he did really good under the circumstances. Which when you take a step back and recall that he has a year of cultivating at minimum on her as well as a full cultivation level advantage is a really big statement on Ling Qi's own strength as a Cultivator.
What's interesting from an outside perspective is if LQ was willing to confidently show off, what cards are she still holding back?
 
[X] ...Seek out Shen Hu, he gave you quite a runaround, it can't hurt to make nice with a peer like him

Secure husband ally. As amusing as he is to fight, he would make an even better combat partner. The Stone Cold Fist to our Terrifying Shadow Claw.
...don't ask how those two pair, just work with it.

With both of us together, any small company or settlement should have the ability to hold on for a long time. Even if we only combo his sleep techs and BIG SORD to handle tricksy opponents.
Also I like him.
 
More importantly, the fact that Liling's faction convienently happened to have a ridiculously overpowered one-shot super dispel talisman on hand, and were kitted out for green hunting, basically screams that they knew the match-ups with enough warning to actually commission something that would be gross overkill on anyone but the one Third Realm in the year who makes heavy use of spiritual attacks on a wide area.

Which, in itself, makes GG's loss less of a slight on him and more "Well, of fucking course a general separated from his army, fighting a goon squad of facepunchers who know his abilities and what he'll have to play, and have had plenty of time and resources to kit accordingly because they knew they'd be fighting him and with what units they'd do so with--is going to have a hard time." That we won despite that is because our build is extremely self-sufficient. We're better in a burly brawl with friends to buff--or at least exempt from our wide ranging debuffs--but we're perfectly functional solo too.

Even then, if we didn't have Traveller's End to cover FVM's stack, they'd have interrupted our entire strategy and forced us to burn precious Qi at no real gain recovering, even if we also managed to avoid their support-stacked alpha strike anyway--which does, in fact, fuck over a more generic Spiritualist hard. Doubly so if those were trick arrows with nasty stuff on them.
 
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[X] Speak with Meizhen, see how she's holding up with her family here

I want to see her aunt.
 
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More importantly, the fact that Liling's faction convienently happened to have a ridiculously overpowered one-shot super dispel talisman on hand, and were kitted out for green hunting, basically screams that they knew the match-ups with enough warning to actually commission something that would be gross overkill on anyone but the one Third Realm in the year who makes heavy use of spiritual attacks on a wide area.

Which, in itself, makes GG's loss less of a slight on him and more "Well, of fucking course a general separated from his army, fighting a goon squad of facepunchers who know his abilities and what he'll have to play, and have had plenty of time and resources to kit accordingly because they knew they'd be fighting him and with what units they'd do so with--is going to have a hard time." That we won despite that is because our build is extremely self-sufficient. We're better in a burly brawl with friends to buff--or at least exempt from our wide ranging debuffs--but we're perfectly functional solo too.

We knew it was coming:
eyebrow. "We're pulling back till we have the advantage."

"And what's that supposed to mean?" He asked, spitting a bit of blood from his split lip to the side.

"It means we're focusing on the tournament," she replied, lifting her foot away. Some part of him felt vaguely disappointed. "Let her play house for a few months. We'll break them in the ring, where they can't run," Liling said darkly as she turned away. "In front of the eyes of the eyes of all the empire."

"What's that supposed to mean?" He asked as he stood, still unsteady.

"There's gonna be a lot of important folks watching this years tourney," Liling said lightly. "Even gramps is gonna send a simulacrum. I'll be needing your help to make sure Cai and all of her little minions get humiliated," she continued. "I can't be in every bracket myself after all."
The closest thing to a "trump card" we showed was Traveler's End, in how it tanked that single-use dispel talisman.

And its hardly super useful in the singles
 
I see the @Omegahugger disease is spreading. Begone, romance ships! The only true pairing is Ling QixCultivation!

:V
I'm a dreaded multishipper booooOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOO

I currently ship Ling Qi with like many other boys right now. There's Han Jian (the original boi), Ruan Shen (music teach), Gu Tai (fire cousin), Liao Zhu (other moon abs dude), Shen Hu (earth boi)...probably more? Name a boy. No seriously, Name Some Boys.

Like I'm still tickled pink by Huang Da (dat creepster boy) and also wondering about who threatened the Huangs into forcing him to withdraw his proposal. My tastes include the shittiest boys. As long as they're interesting. (Sorry Gan Guangli.)

...Shit I know somebody drew Harem Protag Fan Yu, but I might totally draw a Ling Qi Reverse Harem.

I apologize, but I'm not going to take the reference any farther than I have. Need to give my folks some room to be their own characters, now that I've had my fanboy fun.
Thank god. Thank yrsillar.

Not to say I hate the references, but I totally hate full on character implantation for no good reason other than references.
 
We knew it was coming:



And its hardly super useful in the singles

We knew it was coming, but while JR/LF duo vs GG could be attributed to bad luck. The fact that the other Renxiang Retainer ended up fighting a coordinated, prepped strike force equipped to fuck over her in particular (As far as anyone knew) kind of made it flagrantly clear that they knew the brackets well enough in advance to acquire specialized gear.

And then they couldn't even secure total victory despite an apparently absolute initiative advantage. Which means that in the process, GG's defeat is less shameful--his build isn't as self-sufficient as Ling Qi's is, and he actually had to deal with two peers who happened to know they'd be fighting him in particular, and had time to practice their strategy in advance.

In other news, we've saved GG's rep! Like, it's still a disappointment, but it's not shameful anymore to just have the bad luck of being the one who got shot with the other side's cruise missile when they only had one and a bunch of machine guns.
 
Also guy leaned heavily on his spirit while we basically breezed through the round without manefesting any of ours.

Best!TurtleSnek also got a good show out of it so maybe he can copy the technique and make a burning forest domain.
 
No, as I mentioned before Ling Qi absolutely had to show off. Keeping things more tamed and hidden would have been a valid strategy and even the preferred if Gan hadnt gotten his ass pounded, but he did. We absolutely had to show off some impressive stuff in order to regain the prestige and face Cai lost before hand.

We are walking on a tightrope, but we absolutely had to show our stuff in order to demonstrate that Cai's judgement and ability to scout for Talent are worthy of someone who is heir to a dukedom.

To do anything else would be to doom Cai to a reputation of being a mediocre leader. Which is devastating to a leader. Leaders can be weaker as fighters comparatively speaking, but they cannot have poor judgement and have no ability to appraise and scout for talent. The former is damaging, but not insurmountable. The latter is the stuff that breaks houses and lineages.

A reputation for that would damn her efforts to build up an bigger inner circle in the future even if she wins.
That doesn't make any sense. It'd be one thing if Ling Qi got chumped without doing anything, but the knockout stages are clearly more important and are bigger stages to then actually show off something impressive.

Whatever deadline you think Renxiang is under is certainly not "by the end of pool play". Ling Qi had further, smarter opportunities to show off later.
 
On the one hand, this intelligence failure is on CRX, who didn't consider that it might be an issue.

On the other hand, it's also on us, as we knew in advance thanks to that particular interlude that the Sun faction was going to be getting up to trickery in this tournament, and we didn't do anything about it at all.

I don't know if it came up in discussion or not, but that sort of data is exactly the kind of thing we're pretty good at figuring out and obtaining evidence of.

Hell, can you imagine what their reactions would have been if we'd stolen that talisman and replaced it with a fake?

This is a lesson: just because an opponent has conceded doesn't mean they're out of the running just yet, and we will still need to keep an eye on them.
 
I currently ship Ling Qi with like many other boys right now. There's Han Jian (the original boi), Ruan Shen (music teach), Gu Tai (fire cousin), Liao Zhu (other moon abs dude), Shen Hu (earth boi)...probably more? Name a boy. No seriously, Name Some Boys.

Like I'm still tickled pink by Huang Da (dat creepster boy) and also wondering about who threatened the Huangs into forcing him to withdraw his proposal. My tastes include the shittiest boys. As long as they're interesting. (Sorry Gan Guangli.)
You totally forgot Yan Renshu!

All he wanted was our attention, but he didn't know how to handle it when we gave it to him. The dividing line between hate and love is a fine, fine line after all!

P.S
I take no responsibility for people actually shipping these two. Do so at your own peril. I certainly don't ship them.
 
Two things just occurred to me. First we show ourselves to be a strategic threat to all the Cai's enemies. Chaff spam and Zerg Rush are now off the table. Not only can you not overwhelm her with numbers as long as we're there, the chaff would actually be an active liability.

Second:
The next quarter of an hour was spent in a game of cat and mouse, as she chased the fading trail of his qi in rock. One disciple after another fell, drowned in mud, their backs slashed open by diamond claws, or simply hurled from the cliffs. That was not to say that she didn't catch him, coming down with the fury of a winter storm and battering the spirit he wore like a suit with song and ice, and she could feel the mud beast growing weaker with every blow, until at last it crumbled, fading back into his dantian… but he had learned from her it seemed.

Every time she found him and struck, he would just sink back into the earth, an infuriating grin on his face as her mist washed over him like water on a ducks feathers. Even the loss of his spirit beast came too late, as the boy proved absurdly resilient, a slate grey slab of polished stone as large as a grown man that seemed to be his domain weapon flashing out to absorb her attacks, before vanishing back into his dantian.
Oh my God, we just played a half-hour game of whack-a-mole.:facepalm:
 
More importantly, the fact that Liling's faction convienently happened to have a ridiculously overpowered one-shot super dispel talisman on hand, and were kitted out for green hunting, basically screams that they knew the match-ups with enough warning to actually commission something that would be gross overkill on anyone but the one Third Realm in the year who makes heavy use of spiritual attacks on a wide area.

Which, in itself, makes GG's loss less of a slight on him and more "Well, of fucking course a general separated from his army, fighting a goon squad of facepunchers who know his abilities and what he'll have to play, and have had plenty of time and resources to kit accordingly because they knew they'd be fighting him and with what units they'd do so with--is going to have a hard time." That we won despite that is because our build is extremely self-sufficient. We're better in a burly brawl with friends to buff--or at least exempt from our wide ranging debuffs--but we're perfectly functional solo too.
If anything, the fact that Ling Qi made a mockery of that kind of prep and made them literally just a resource for her to nearly overwhelm an ostensibly stronger opponent is an absolutely hilarious statement on her own abilities, and Cai's judgement in picking her up.

Simply through this display alone, anyone worth half a damn is looking at Gan Guangli under ideal circumstances with Ling Qi backing him and his forces up, and I can bet that the Cai's more aggressive vassal representatives are very happy with what the Young Miss has chosen in terms of retainers.

By comparison, Sun Liling had to very blatantly turn the battlefield to her advantage and sic two of her own retainers just to take down Gan Guangli while also losing one to ambush in a battle royale.

People arent going to compare Gan Guangli to Ji Rong anymore, they're going to compare him to Lu Feng.

And simply by that shift of perspective, Ji Rong suddenly becomes so much less impressive when compared to Ling Qi.

Combined with satisfying the Sect by showing that Shen Hu was an unaffiliated Green who stood up to Ling Qi on equal grounds and even managed to avoid a loss, it reconfirms that the Argent Sect creates powerhouses.

The face game is still on a tightrope bar the results of the rest of the tournament, but for today at least Sun Liling's intended alpha strike was reduced from a serious wound to merely a bruising one, and reminds them that Sun Liling lost to Cai Renxiang for a reason.

Rather than a reversal of fortunes, the face game between the two heirs is even now. If Ling Qi remains in the tournament a round later than Ji Rong does, if Sun Liling fails to get first place, then Sun Liling loses. By contrast, all Ling Qi needs to do is outlast Ji Rong and Kang Zihao, and Cai Renxiang wins. It's a very precarious position for the both of them.
 
Meh, we couldnt have prepared any moee than we already did. Gan-boy just got swamped by the double team. He couldnt have stopped it even if he knew.
 
On the one hand, this intelligence failure is on CRX, who didn't consider that it might be an issue.

On the other hand, it's also on us, as we knew in advance thanks to that particular interlude that the Sun faction was going to be getting up to trickery in this tournament, and we didn't do anything about it at all.

I don't know if it came up in discussion or not, but that sort of data is exactly the kind of thing we're pretty good at figuring out and obtaining evidence of.

Hell, can you imagine what their reactions would have been if we'd stolen that talisman and replaced it with a fake?

This is a lesson: just because an opponent has conceded doesn't mean they're out of the running just yet, and we will still need to keep an eye on them.

We had literally no options to investigate. And to be fair, most of the actual fixing wasn't going on in places we could find out about. It was purely stuff going on between the elders and the House of Sun and their allies, while Shenhua sat back and chortled.

For us to pull that talisman switcheroo, we'd need to know we'd be fighting that guy in particular well in advance. And that just wasn't an option.
 
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That doesn't make any sense. It'd be one thing if Ling Qi got chumped without doing anything, but the knockout stages are clearly more important and are bigger stages to then actually show off something impressive.

Whatever deadline you think Renxiang is under is certainly not "by the end of pool play". Ling Qi had further, smarter opportunities to show off later.
There is a literal meeting between all the bigwigs of Imperial who have gathered here right after this. That is the deadline.

She is literally going to be meeting with representatives of other Ducal Houses, important local houses and etc right after this. Its an incredibly important opportunity to build initial bridges and the foundations of long lasting relationships and connections. Going in with a reputation of being a poor judge of character and talent would have been utterly devastating when combined with her youth as Heir.

Cai's best opportunity is that meeting right here and right now, maybe she will get more chances in the future. But she isnt in a position where she can afford to count on future opportunities to just appear.

First Impressions and meetings are important in gatherings like these, if she doesnt make good progress at the meeting that is happening right after this, then things become more difficult for her moving forward. Its not insurmountable of course, but it's adding a few more obstacles to an already booby trapped obstacle course.
 
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On the one hand, this intelligence failure is on CRX, who didn't consider that it might be an issue.

On the other hand, it's also on us, as we knew in advance thanks to that particular interlude that the Sun faction was going to be getting up to trickery in this tournament, and we didn't do anything about it at all.

I don't know if it came up in discussion or not, but that sort of data is exactly the kind of thing we're pretty good at figuring out and obtaining evidence of.

Hell, can you imagine what their reactions would have been if we'd stolen that talisman and replaced it with a fake?

This is a lesson: just because an opponent has conceded doesn't mean they're out of the running just yet, and we will still need to keep an eye on them.
It wouldn't have made a difference if CRX had the opportunity to investigate it as her mother is of the opinion that she'll make a perfectly good foundation if she fails to meet the expectations of a white tier cultivator. This made it fundamentally impossible to do anything about as neither CRX nor Liling were the ones who dictated who went into what bracket.
 
We had literally no options to investigate. And to be fair, most of the actual fixing wasn't going on in places we could find out about. It was purely stuff going on between the elders and the House of Sun and their allies, while Shenhua sat back and chortled.

For us to pull that talisman switcheroo, we'd need to know we'd be fighting that guy in particular well in advance. And that just wasn't an option.

True enough, true enough. If the thread had discussed it, however, something might have come up. Even if it was just an IC observation of 'why isn't Sun pushing things further, it's out of character,' even with the reasoning she gave, we might have managed an investigation which might have found something - which would have been the gold standard as far as the Hidden Moon is concerned - but it could just as easily have resulted in nothing.

But so it goes; we probably would have ended up focusing on Cultivating anyway and pushed for this sort of result rather than risked much for potentially no gain at all.
 
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