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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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A lullaby of coiling mist
It had been but days since the last raid on the border of the home of his mistress by barbarian forces. Unsuccessful of course, his mistress had trained her minions well. Incompetence would not be tolerated amoung the noble house of Ling of the emerald Seas.
Still, the blatant attack on her territory had worried his mistress , something had been stirring the barbarian tribes of late. She could guess it was perhaps a change in leadership or internal strife among the tribes that had made them so desperate to prove themselves, even so it was something to investigate.
This left him alone to guard his mistresses home and children while she was away, for while the guards were indeed competent he would trust no other to protect what was his.
As he floated down another hall of the manse passing bowing servants, guards and hanging artworks a noise from one of the bedrooms caught his attention. Silently slipping into the room, he witnessed the daughter of His mistress fretting about, constantly rolling from one side of the bed to the next.
"Young mistress, it is late. What troubles your mind so that you cannot find rest?"
"AH- Uncle Yin, you scared me!" The young child said almost falling out of her bed in shock
"A thousand apologies little one, even so, the question remains unanswered."
"...I miss mommy. She sings to me before I sleep, and father isnt here either." She stated small tears building up in her eyes.
"I see, a problem indeed. However, it is one I am equipped to deal with. Would you care for me to sing to you instead? "
"Really? OK then. Thank you uncle Yin " she said while settling into her blankets.
"Anything for Family young mistress. Anything. "
Releasing his mist into the room Yinjian started to hum a melody for his young mistress, he would perform this task for her. He would guard her with his everything, nothing could disuade him. For long ago had His Mistress taught him the ways of family. His unquenchable hunger had changed , and instead turned into something more. A need for bonds, for family. A thousand thousand souls all His , to protect. To cherish. To feed from and to in turn be used against all that stood in their path. His mist coiled around the young child as she gently fell into slumber . She was but the first of many. And he looked forward to the day when he could sing to her children and so forth . Until time eternal.
It had been but days since the last raid on the border of the home of his mistress by barbarian forces. Unsuccessful of course, his mistress had trained her minions well. Incompetence would not be tolerated amoung the noble house of Ling of the emerald Seas.
Still, the blatant attack on her territory had worried his mistress , something had been stirring the barbarian tribes of late. She could guess it was perhaps a change in leadership or internal strife among the tribes that had made them so desperate to prove themselves, even so it was something to investigate.
This left him alone to guard his mistresses home and children while she was away, for while the guards were indeed competent he would trust no other to protect what was his.
As he floated down another hall of the manse passing bowing servants, guards and hanging artworks a noise from one of the bedrooms caught his attention. Silently slipping into the room, he witnessed the daughter of His mistress fretting about, constantly rolling from one side of the bed to the next.
"Young mistress, it is late. What troubles your mind so that you cannot find rest?"
"AH- Uncle Yin, you scared me!" The young child said almost falling out of her bed in shock
"A thousand apologies little one, even so, the question remains unanswered."
"...I miss mommy. She sings to me before I sleep, and father isnt here either." She stated small tears building up in her eyes.
"I see, a problem indeed. However, it is one I am equipped to deal with. Would you care for me to sing to you instead? "
"Really? OK then. Thank you uncle Yin " she said while settling into her blankets.
"Anything for Family young mistress. Anything. "
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Releasing his mist into the room Yinjian started to hum a melody for his young mistress, he would perform this task for her. He would guard her with his everything, nothing could disuade him. For long ago had His Mistress taught him the ways of family. His unquenchable hunger had changed , and instead turned into something more. A need for bonds, for family. A thousand thousand souls all His , to protect. To cherish. To feed from and to in turn be used against all that stood in their path. His mist coiled around the young child as she gently fell into slumber . She was but the first of many. And he looked forward to the day when he could sing to her children and so forth . Until time eternal.
I don't think sharp note can be popped at will, but for it to keep the pills down it can't be popped at all. I do think that singing mist blade can and will get popped frequently, probably before it can really get it's debuff stack rolling in fights against high end enemies. I think this because it doesn't have anything to help it pop the enemy domain weapon particularly fast, and that is necessary if a weapon like edge is coming to stop it from debuffing everyone.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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Well, we have WoG that you can only use instant actions during your own action turn. So it needs to stealth when it does its own action (E.G, attack). For example, Ling Qi cannot use Pressure Crack during an ally's turn.
Even if we didn't, that's the whole point of Night's edge narrative. It's a backstab weapon, not a gimmicky "stays stealthed for the whole turn then attack on next turn then go into stealth again". It's a proactive and edgy weapon.
Hell, mechanically I would say it would have more chances to be seen if it stays a whole turn stealthed rather than half a second.
Sharp Note is better in a domain vs domain weapon than Night's Edge because it has a more reliable bonus damage and higher defensive pool. It has lower average damage if you assume that Night Edge will always win stealth clash, but if you don't it should on average in out in a weapon vs weapon attrition battle thanks to its superior health.
Singing Mist Blade is worse thank to lower health and no bonus damage, but it targetting spiritual is the equivalent of some measure of bonus damage, and it being dex+ expression means it has a higher defensive pool.
While it won't win a battle against a top tier offensive weapon focused on domain weapon vs domain weapon battles, it will win them against high end high noble domain weapon more often than not.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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Anyway, to talk of happier things: I suspect we'll see more arts influencing domain weapons at early green. It is very likely that, say, SCS First Strike and Unaware dice bonus will do so at SCS6, greatly empowering Night's Edge.
Likewise, Thunderous Retort might very well work with domain weapon, which would make for some great Sharp Note action.
Likewise, Thunderous Retort might very well work with domain weapon, which would make for some great Sharp Note action.
Ultimately, Night's Edge circuvments the issue of offensive clashes against Domain Weapons to deal damage to the opponent as quickly as possible. By disregarding attempts by the enemies Domain Weapon to defend against it on it's own turn.
That's fantastic in certain matchups...Like with say Puppet Renshu.
But Ling Qi isnt really about short term engagements, and as a result Night's Edge is kind of lackluster given it isn't tied to an uncapped stat like Expression when it's actually forced to defend itself in comparison to our other options.
That's fantastic in certain matchups...Like with say Puppet Renshu.
But Ling Qi isnt really about short term engagements, and as a result Night's Edge is kind of lackluster given it isn't tied to an uncapped stat like Expression when it's actually forced to defend itself in comparison to our other options.
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DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
I think there's something one of us doesn't understand, either about what's going on or about the WoG. Let's assume the worst, that Night's Edge starts battle unstealthed.
Turn 1:
Action: Night's Edge makes an unstealthed attack.
Instant: Night's Edge stealths into hiding.
Turn 2:
Action: Night's Edge backstabs, leaving stealth.
Instant: Night's Edge stealths back into hiding.
Turn 3:
Action: Night's Edge backstabs, leaving stealth.
Instant: Night's Edge stealths back into hiding.
And so on...
At no point is Night's Edge performing an Instant not on it's turn, it's simply benefiting from performing an Instant on its previous turn and being hidden. And I think it is extremely in theme for an assassinesque Domain Weapon to be constantly in stealth as the battle goes on, striking hard and then going back to hiding, being a lethal combination of deadly and infuriating.
I can't comment how perception works in this game exactly, but I would think that if other characters wanted to get extra perception checks because Night's Edge is already in stealth on their turn (beyond whatever they get normally), it would take some kind of actions to do so. The idea that stealth only exists as an on-turn buff and can't be used as a kiting method feels very unnatural and not at all like what I'm used to seeing in other similar games, and additionally I've seen nothing in the mechanics of fights in this quest that leads me to believe it can't be used this way here.
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If that's how that works in mechanics, what stops it from performing an attack, and then stealth-ing, to remain in stealth until it's next turn? Since stealth is an instant action, it can attack, then hide, and remain hidden for the whole turn until it's next attack, then instantly hide again.
You only get one instant per round.
So it stealths as it's instant, avoids clashing with the enemy Domain weapon, attacks the opponent, unstealths at the end of it. Then the enemies domain weapon gets a shot in.
It's about getting in guaranteed shots at the opponent. Attacking breaks stealth.
So it's never going to be stealthed all the time, combat rounds simply don't work that way.
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Or, or. It enters the fight in stealth. Because it is pretty much going to always be in stealth if we are not showing it off. Then it attacks, breaks stealth. Then it goes to stealth again. End of Turn.
Rinse, repeat.
EDIT: Even if you assume it does not enter in stealth, it's setup time to implement the strategy is 1 turn of not attacking. Which is kind of like our 1 turn of buffing ourselves, or debuffing an enemy.
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Anyway, let's all compromise and go with Sharp Note, which does good damage, handles other flying swords well, and drains qi.
It's also super obnoxious, which I think we can all agree is totally our style.
That being said, I do think it would be cooler if it were like a flying bell or something. Picture it - a bell flies through the air and bonks the enemy over the head. It rings, and drains their qi. Angered, they strike it - causing it to ring.
Slowly, the truth dawns on them. If they ignore it, it will fly around ringing and draining their qi. If they hit it, then it will ring and drain their qi.
Finally, they understand what everyone else had been saying - Ling Qi is really really annoying.
It's also super obnoxious, which I think we can all agree is totally our style.
That being said, I do think it would be cooler if it were like a flying bell or something. Picture it - a bell flies through the air and bonks the enemy over the head. It rings, and drains their qi. Angered, they strike it - causing it to ring.
Slowly, the truth dawns on them. If they ignore it, it will fly around ringing and draining their qi. If they hit it, then it will ring and drain their qi.
Finally, they understand what everyone else had been saying - Ling Qi is really really annoying.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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Instants are buff you do as you attack, not actions you do after you attack. Those are responsive instants.
Moreoever, narratively Night's Edge is about attacking enemy from stealth, not about trying to game the system so that it has the most time within stealth by not being in stealth for the first turn. Considering we are going for a narrative heavier system, trying to find RAW interpretations that benefits Ling Qi won't work- and by RAW, it doesn't work anyway.
Ling Qi is a ridiculous Raid Boss/Puzzle Boss, which is hilarious.
...But...why would you have it announce it's presence at the start of a fight without even activating the conditions necessary for it actually succeed the inevitable first turn clash against an enemy domain weapon, thus tipping them off to the need to blocking further attempts at stealthing it and thus making the entire thing basically shortlived?
Like...
The reason it's so good is that it sets itself up to hit unaware opponents.
If the opponent is watching for it, catches sight of it during a round, and then intercepts it it's going to lose it's ten die bonus and Semi-perfect damage.
Against a peer or better Domain Weapon, that's just making it all but useless compared to the other options we have available.
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Not to mention, having a flying sword that does AOE will only further the idea, that Ling QI is an AOE specialist.
[x] Singing Mist Blade
[x] Singing Mist Blade
Yeah, but Sharp Note has an AoE effect as well, granted it's more of a passive aura then one that's limited to a specific range.
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Eh, personally I would describe Sharp Note's effect as more of a Aura, rather than an AOE. However, I suspect that's just quibbling.
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Personally, I just don't want our Domain Weapon to be a jagged shard of rock, regardless of how dark or sharp it is.
None of the weapons are bad really, not even the Shibari Enthusiasts Option anymore. The rest of them all have some Ling Qiness to them, but I just don't see Night's Edge meshing with that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its a piece of crap, it definitely isn't, and it has its own aesthetic. It's a bit like AE, but unlike AE where it's useful enough to be worth it anyway (not to mention I'm hoping with domain or further use we might get our own equivalent, like making mini mist dragon minions instead of earth worms), here we have alternatives.
Course, this is all my own opinion, but I feel like there's a bit too much mechanical talk here. Not that that isn't important of course, but numbers aren't the be all end all.
None of the weapons are bad really, not even the Shibari Enthusiasts Option anymore. The rest of them all have some Ling Qiness to them, but I just don't see Night's Edge meshing with that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its a piece of crap, it definitely isn't, and it has its own aesthetic. It's a bit like AE, but unlike AE where it's useful enough to be worth it anyway (not to mention I'm hoping with domain or further use we might get our own equivalent, like making mini mist dragon minions instead of earth worms), here we have alternatives.
Course, this is all my own opinion, but I feel like there's a bit too much mechanical talk here. Not that that isn't important of course, but numbers aren't the be all end all.
I mean, both of the Expression weapons zoom around making horrible inhuman wails and screeches of monstrous hunger and junk. And not in the kind of mysterious lurking danger way that FVM has which carries a bit more... class, I guess. They're not the most Ling Qi-y. At least Night's Edge is somewhat understated in its, well, edginess.
Hey now for all we know Sharp Note just makes a sound eerily similar to the Andy Griffith Theme Song!
