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strauss said:
More like I am annoyed at the convenience of merging actions this time when we didn't follow on so many other opportunities because actions were limited and the very few ones that were together was because we took explicit action that way.

The fact his first appearance made me think of him as creepy as hell, something like a smarter Huang Da, biases me to interpreting it less charitably but I would still be annoyed at it absent that anyway.
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The same happened with MaSu. We took one Ma sister action, and then the Ma action and the Su Ling action merged together, first to make them meet each others and then to visit them when they are together. While some people tried not to vote for Su Ling because they dislike ma sisters, it's not a "special merging we purposefully tried to get".
 
Arkeus said:
The same happened with MaSu. We took one Ma sister action, and then the Ma action and the Su Ling action merged together, first to make them meet each others and then to visit them when they are together. While some people tried not to vote for Su Ling because they dislike ma sisters, it's not a "special merging we purposefully tried to get".
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Yeah, I think I got annoyed and posted the first thing that came into mind while I was answering something entirely different so didn't gave much thought to what I added as by the way. Was going to edit my post but you answered before.

After thinking a bit is the actual thing is that I don't like merging minor actions at all. It is not two for one, it is doing less than half of each. The minor actions involving a single person feel to me as more than the ones involving multiple people. Apparently I would rather even the ones we have get split up really since I re-read the previous update and even liking both Su Ling and the Ma Sisters more than Han Jiang I liked his part better. Think I will re-read the story with that in mind before discussing it any further.
 
yrsillar said:
"Congratulations," Han Jian said lightly as she landed lightly in the training field he and Han Fang had been sparring in. He had spotted her coming from above well before she arrived, and the two boys had broken off their fight to greet her. "A full breakthrough to third realm in less than a year isn't anything to scoff at."

"Thank you," Ling Qi replied, glad to see that her invitations to Xiulan hadn't strained things. "It looks like your doing very well too," she added politely. He and Han Fang were both fully in the late stage of the second realm now.

"Ha, I'm not so sure about that," Han Jian replied, shaking his head. He glanced over at Han Fang, who nodded back once, heading for the entrance to the training yard. Ling Qi watched him go for a moment. She had never gotten to know the silent boy, and she regretted that a little, he seemed like a reliable sort. "I honestly don't see myself breaking through before time runs out, so I've decided to more fully develop my arts," she turned her attention back to him as he spoke up again, dismissing the idle thought.
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Indeed optimal for most noble types, who have a deep library of arts for any given level of development to work on. I think we can probably assume that other than Ji Rong and anyone who were already breaking through when we last saw them, we won't see many new Greens amongst nobles but on the flip side, anyone with White Room access would be packing comprehensive Art suites as much as their elemental/meridian alignment allows..

...which in turn means that Flying Sword access is going to be something special awesome against our foes, and doubly so for Green arts.
Any Yellows running against our Debuff build is going to be unhappy, so I think we'd be seeing lots of people digging through family libraries for dispels.
"Breaking through is definitely time consuming," Ling Qi replied with a grimace. "I feel like I've hardly done anything for the past month."
Han Jian gave her wry look, and she glanced away, embarrassed. Complaining about spending a month in breakthrough seemed really petty. "Well, you might want to prepare yourself for the future then, there are bottlenecks in the third realm that will take you months to break through at least, unless you've been hiding a legendary talent to match the Duchess Cai," he said in a light tone.
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Ling Qi: "Wow, this Yellow Breakthrough is so difficult it took a whole month!"
Han Jian: *Thinks back to when he was stuck for a month in breakthrough at RED*
"Fun," Ling Qi said with a grimace. "I guess the easy part is over, huh?"

"Probably best to think of it that way," Han Jian said. "Third realm is the highest the vast majority can aspire too, even among the talented."

"Neither of us is going to stop there though, are we?" Ling Qi asked, twisting a lock of her hair around her finger. "Not you, or Han Fang, or Gu Xiulan," she added thoughtfully. "No one I know really." Su Ling and Li Suyin might not be as talented, but she doubted either would simply settle. "Is third realm really where people stop?"

"The higher you rise, the more time cultivation takes, and people have other responsibilities and interests, you know?" Han Jian replied, heading toward the edge of the field. "Not everyone has the ambition and dedication to keep pushing through years or decades of tiny gains. Besides, most people don't really need higher cultivation, you know?"
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And this is probably why the Sect route is considered the 'best' for sheer cultivation despite the significantly better access to resources down Cai route. And probably to no small part, the White Room's assistance in recovering from failures would be enormously appreciated for nobles who have stuff to do even as they shoot for higher levels.

Theres just too much responsibilities to dedicate an entire year of absence to breakthrough. Especially responsibilities which can only be carried out by high cultivation people of a specific specialization.

Easy to find a musical Yellow or Green.
Finding a music based Violet could well be one specific person, if you had a contact at all.
Ling Qi struggled to imagine simply… settling, knowing that there was still such a vast gulf between yourself and the top, so many people and things which could still trample you effortlessly. "Well, less competition is good I guess," she said after a moment. "Anyway, I thought I'd ask…"
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Only those who had known true weakness would seek strength so desperately.
"If we could swap jade slips again?" He asked with a smile of his own. "That is why I sent Fang to keep an eye on the perimeter.

"How did you know?" Ling Qi asked curiously, not denying her interest. Since she had fully broken through, she had felt that something more awaited her if she could complete the three argent arts.

"Well, I figure that if I've reached limits of Argent Mirror, you probably mastered what I showed you of Argent Storm a month ago," Han Jian replied dryly. "...and, we don't exactly have a lot else to chat about anymore, do we?"
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Sad but true. Heh.
Ling Qi sighed, glancing away from him. He wasn't wrong, and that did make her a little sad. "How is everyone doing anyway? I've seen Xiulan a couple of times, when I had an opening at the White Room, but…"

"She hasn't exactly been sociable," he finished her sentence sadly. "She's at least being safe about her training now, but she is pushing hard. Thanks for taking her by the way. I can't really do so without a lot of… awkwardness, lets say."
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And there goes the assumption that he'd take Xiulan. If he did it'd be leading her on?
"I understand," Ling Qi replied with a nod. "But I didn't just ask about Xiulan."

"Kind of you," he shot back as he plucked a wooden training sword from the rack and gestured for her to follow him out into the field. "Fang and I aren't giving up, even if we don't reach third realm… we're still aiming for the inner sect," he continued resolutely. "...I worry about Fan Yu though. He…"

"He probably feels like it's hopeless," Ling Qi finished.

"Yeah," Han Jian replied simply. "Yu is a good guy at heart… but I'm worried he's going to crash and burn, I'm trying to keep his spirits up, but there's only so much I can do if he doesn't want it himself."
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Oh, thats an interesting twist. He's not actually interested in cultivation, and pushing himself to try because all his friends are?
The Golden Fields was land of patchworks. The territories of the clans were far less organic competitive, few major clans shared a border with another, though that was beginning to change in the westernmost lands, which had begun to regain their old character as fertile fields. Most of the habitable land was still scrub and desert though and so the traditions born in the wake of the fall were still maintained.

Most clans fell into two categories, Sedentary and Nomadic. The Fan for example were a sedentary clan, because during the fall, their patriarch had pulled their core lands deep underground and shielded it from the Sun's death with his body. Though they had been much reduced, the Fan thus maintained a rich, flowering oasis from which to rebuild. The Han, and the ruling clan the Guo, on the other hand were nomadic. The Han household traveled regularly along a fixed route through their territory in a great caravan, administering their smaller but more numerous settlements.

Ling was a little dubious about his description of the ducal clan though. Even with all she had seen, a great citadel carried on the back of a gigantic spirit beast seemed a little far fetched.

That aside though, Han Jian made no effort to conceal the fact that the Golden Fields was a harsh place, further east one went, the toxic and poisonous the lands outside clan territory became. The earth itself was tainted with sun and death qi, cultivators below the third realm who ventured out unprotected into the poison sands could quickly sicken and die, their meridians catching fire and their flesh rotting from their bones, and even higher cultivators could grow ill without regular cleansing. It took great effort from the clans to maintain their borders and prevent the poison from spreading back into cleansed lands, which was why actual expansion was such a generational affair.

Still it was a rich land, the same effect which had reduced the soil to ash had created great veins of qi rich ores and gemstones in the stone, and these days they were in high demand in the interior, being useful for all manner high end formation work and talisman crafting. Quite few clans which were only a few generations old had grown influential and wealthy off such finds, under the aegis of the greater clans.

Which they needed, because the desert was not content to simply poison passively. Ashwalkers, she remembered hearing about several times before, but now she got an explanation. They were foul, dead things born from the toxic qi of the sands. They were little more dangerous than normal predatory spirit beasts in small numbers, though one had to be careful to cleanse any land they were discovered in, but periodically, they would gather in number out in the wastes, rallied by their more intelligent kin, skeletal abominations animated by the wrathful wraiths of those who had died in the fall, driven mad by the toxic qi.

At their worst they could be akin to ancient imperial armies sweeping out of the waste, but that was rare, more often they behaved more like bandits, roving bands of murderous marauders that sought to break the land cleansing totems and destroy settlements.
It was unsettling, Ling Qi had to admit… but the more she learned about the world outside Tonghou, the more she came to understand that there was no safety on the borders of the empire, no matter the nature.
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And that's definitely a post apocalyptic wasteland. Complete with Mobile Oppression Fortresses like Chrome Shelled Regios

"Huh, looks like you did finish, congrats Ling Qi," Su Ling added a moment later, looking her over more closely. "Did ya fall in a bag of glitter though?"
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*Sparkles*
"Just been working on some projects. Think I might have found some good places for harvesting out here," Su Ling shrugged. "Ah, if you want, I refined another silverblood pill."

"Oh? I might be needing those soon," Ling Qi said, hopping down from the tree and gesturing to Jun that she could sit back down. "How much did you want for it?"

Su Ling scratched her cheek, looking away. "Had a chat with Fatty, seems like I managed something pretty high quality. Two hundred stones sound good?" She sounded a little apologetic.
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...damn that's worth a lot of money, but she can only make more until the end of the year? Pretty sure the Argent Vent would be closed to second year outer sect members.
Ling Qi glanced at Su Ling, who raised an eyebrow, but then shrugged. "Fine, fine. I made my point," she grumbled. "You want to come back with us? Gonna take this to Fatty and get some good pork out of it, he's got a friend whose a real good chef."

Ling Qi thought it over for a second, then nodded. "Sure, sounds fun."

She would likely be doubling down on training soon herself, so it would be best to take her relaxation where she could.

After enjoying a meal of the most mouth watering food she had ever tasted, Ling Qi found herself drifting a bit, lost in thought as she idly worked through new compositions on the roof to the house.
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Huh, soulds like a rather niche career.

I'm guessing spirit beast meat might not be safe for mortals to eat, considering how much refinement is needed to make cores safe to use.
She had already checked in on Zhengui, who had toddled off to the peak to play with Hanyi, and she wasn't quite sure what to do.
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*Cuteness flashback*
The song that flowed from her flute was a happier one than her usual fare. It spoke of first meetings and admiration, of growing safety and confidence, sheltered by another's strength. It spoke of affection and repayment, a desire to stand as equals, to support and be supported. Her music spoke of all these things and so much more echoing out over the clear water of the lake.

When it finally ended, Ling Qi's shoulders slumped, for she felt drained, and opened her eyes to look at her friend.

Meizhen's fishing line hung slack, the hook and bait stolen, and Meizhen sat with her head down, her eyes shadowed by her hair. Silence, deafening in the absence of her song hung over the lake as one minute after another ticked by, the both of them unmoving. "There really is no chance that you will feel what I do, is there?" Meizhen's quiet voice was the first to break the silence.

"No, there isn't," Ling Qi replied, slumping to the ground to sit with her legs splayed toward the water. "I'm so sorry Meizhen. You are my best friend, maybe even something like a sister… but not that." She lowered her own head, ashamed. "I was cruel, to make you think I might."
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*Listens to the bubbles from the last sinking liferafts of SS Snek*
Sisterzoned. Hard. And sweetly
"You will not cease risking yourself as you did with the Dreaming Moon, will you?"

"I won't," Ling Qi admitted. "I can't afford too."

"You will build a strong house someday," Bai Meizhen said with a sigh. "My apologies. I have no right to stunt your Way with my worries."
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Oh, she can see the house in our Domain?
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"Assuming you can get the little glutton to stop eating the flowerbeds and porch," Meizhen huffed. "At least Cui limits herself to the vermin."

"Ah, did Zhengui start chewing on the garden porch again?" Ling Qi asked sheepishly. "I'll have a talk with him."
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...how'd he eat the porch without her noticing lol?
 
strauss said:
forced into picking Gu Tai by tying him to Zenghui.
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i would argue we already spent more than enough actions on Zenghui, having him be linked with someone else is only fair.
I do agree it would have been better narative if he were paired with Xuan Shi or Hanyui (yuki onna-no-ko), but pairing is only fair or else we'd be limited to either a couple friends or meet with our friends once a month or so. Heck, if anything we should have more paired social actions.
 
veekie said:
Ling Qi: "Wow, this Yellow Breakthrough is so difficult it took a whole month!"
Han Jian: *Thinks back to when he was stuck for a month in breakthrough at RED*
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Hilariously Sadly Han Jian had been trying to breakthrough since before getting to the sect. So for 3 or so months at least.

...damn that's worth a lot of money, but she can only make more until the end of the year? Pretty sure the Argent Vent would be closed to second year outer sect members.
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Hopefully she has found a way to 'store' a large quantity of the liquid, at least enough to keep doing pills for the next few years.
Oh, she can see the house in our Domain?
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She has already mentioned how we would build a decent family before, so I think this is more of the same "with this attitude if you don't die you'll go far", except she doesn't want to think of us dying.
 
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Arkeus said:
Hilariously Sadly Han Jian had been trying to breakthrough since before getting to the sect. So for 3 or so months at least.
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...ow.
Ling Qi you thoughtless girl!

Arkeus said:
Hopefully she has found a way to 'store' a large quantity of the liquid, at least enough to keep doing pills for the next few years.
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Hmm, true that, I'm not sure how much she can siphon out but we now the liquid is also being used on some of their projects.
Its a little difficult to harvest IIRC.
Arkeus said:
you don't die you'll go far", except she doesn't want to think of us dying.
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Come to think of it she could just mean Noble House.
But I was thinking her Perception Art or something might be usable to see the Domain themes.
Especially since Ling Qi's domain, the hidden valley is specifically open to Meizhen during the vision quest. Only true friends may reach the heart. Everyone else can wander the mist forever.
 
veekie said:
...ow.
Ling Qi you thoughtless girl!
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Han Jian Negaverse remains split over whether Ling Qi is a secretly a dastardly manipulator, preying upon the weaknesses of the Golden Fields group or is actuality just an airheaded high talent girl watching the pretty fires on the sidelines.

The segment which is convince that Ling Qi is evil is certain that this is her taunting them.
 
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veekie said:
Oh, thats an interesting twist. He's not actually interested in cultivation, and pushing himself to try because all his friends are?
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I'm fairly sure that Fan Yu is 'just' badly depressed. Honestly I can't blame him.

He came into the year believing in the inherent superiority of nobles, best friends with Han Jian (who's awesome) and engaged to a beautiful girl who he really liked. Even if she wasn't particularly into him she'd come around.

Then his best friend started hanging around a peasant girl and everything started to go wrong. Of all his group he is the only one who doesn't get through into Elder Zhou's select class. Worse still, he loses out to that damn peasant girl, who not only got through despite only having the first level of one pathetic art (compared to his family arts at least), but was literally the first to pass the test.

He finds out that his best friend thinks he's an asshole, his fiance prefers to hang out with that damn peasant and he's falling further and further behind. And all the while he's getting letters from home tell him to shape up. Put more effort in.

Still, at the end of week 25 things are looking up. He's still behind, still struggling, but Xiulan's snide remarks are losing their sting. Things seem to have changed for the better after he'd fought side by side with his fiance and protected her.

And then comes week 29. His fiance, the girl he loves takes Han Jian's rejection and her less than stupidly good cultivation speed so hard that she's willing to risk death and literally mutilating herself (in her own mind at least), partly to get away from him. Her insults get worse, mocking him, berating him for his lack of strength, how pathetic he is etc.

For all Han Jian tries to help him out, Fan Yu isn't stupid. He can see the writing on the wall. The Golden fields group will not be going on together. There will be at least five greens in the tournament, many more late yellows with time to develop their arts to absolute perfection. And he's mid-yellow.

His fiance hates him, his best friend thinks he's an asshole, he's getting letters from home telling him what a dissapointment he is and his illusions about his inherent place in the world have been thoroughly shattered. So he's listless, has trouble caring about his cultivation.

The ironic thing is that I wouldn't be too surprised if he was actually around the same talent overall as the rest of the golden fields group started with. He just has stupendously terrible luck compared to his friends, which has built and built. I also think depression has a narritive effect on cultivation speed (if only because you feel like putting in less effort).

I mean let's look at Fan Yu's journey, and where it's gone astray compared to his friends:
  • He failed Zhou's test. This is where things really start to go wrong for him.
    • Even if he can replicate the medicines Zhou gave by buying them this deprives him of the attention of an elder and means he has to rely on the less effective tips of his friends.
    • It also seperates him from the group and forces them to spend more time helping him, possibly effecting his mental state for cultivation.
  • This also means he is later deprived of the the pills from the tokens of Zhou's test (High Sun etc.) that the others got to use. Remember how useful those pills were for speeding cultivation.
  • The scene he caused outside with Ling Qi led to Bai Meizhen temporarily crippling his arm. He was noted to have gone a bit nuts with training after that, but it is likely this cost him time to recover from, or rendered that training far less effective.
  • Everyone else from the Golden Fields group has participated in an Elder trial, which have extremely potent rewards, such as pills, tutoring or arts.
    • Han Jian at least had elder tutoring. Xiulan had one or more lessons from Yanmei, and I have no idea about Han Fang.
    • Spirit beasts: Han Jian has had Hejin for years, Xiulan had her sister's help to find a spirit beast with potential that matches her.
Putting all this together I can easily see Fan Yu's peers being substantially ahead of him even with equal talent and that's if depression and self-loathing doesn't affect his cultivation
 
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Arkeus said:
That's just @yrsillar having weird wording in the last week, unless he changed his mind:
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Hmm. Not sure what to make of this given that this was said in the last update:
yrsillar said:
Han Jian and Han Fang would both be solidly late second realm, perhaps even peak, but Fan Yu was still struggling to reach the middle last she saw
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I guess maybe he reached middle Yellow but is still trying to get to middle Silver? I dunno.

@yrsillar?
 
Humbaba said:
There will be at least five greens in the tournament
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Yeah, I wonder what chances Han Jian, Gu Xiulan, Lu Feng, and other late-tellows have in the tournament.

I'll give my guess of contestant ranks and tiers:

Tier I

1. Sun Liling - The first of the group to fully break into the third realm. Has tons of resources and family arts
2. Bai Meizhen - I'm putting her below Sun just because she broke through a little later. She's got pretty much all the advantages Sun has. In fights between the two, the first was a draw, the second, when Sun was Green/Bronze but Meizhen was still only Green/Silver, Meizhen won with help, and the third time, Meizhen won when Liling was spec'ed for hunting rather than direct combat
3. Cai Renxiang - She lags behind the other two in cultivation, but she has an equipment advantage.

Tier Ia

4. Chu Song - She wasn't talented enough to make the Inner Sect her first year, and her family doesn't have the resources they used to. She was also beaten in a fight by Meizhen. But she's been in the third realm for a while and should have an Art Suite fully fit for her cultivation level, even if I expect her to have fewer equipped arts than tier I.

Tier II

5. Ling Qi
6. Ji Rong - He could be ahead of Ling Qi now, but I think Ling Qi was ahead due to his two time-outs and lack of access to resources and sect points for a long period of time.
7. Gan Guangli - This is based on the impression that he's yellow/bronze. If he's made green since, then I could put him equivalent to Ling Qi and Ji Rong. He's also probably got a more cohesive and synergistic art suite and I'm guessing direct material support from Cai.

Tier III

8. Kang Zihao - I'm putting him top of Tier III instead of bottom of Tier II or even Tier IIa because he's been stuck in breakthrough hell for so long. Despite starting as one of the strongest students, Gan Guangli's decisively passed him, and Han Jian was arguably equivalent a few weeks ago.
9. Gu Xiulan - I believe that the tribulation probably put her ahead of Han Jian by now, but reliable access to the White Room might tip to advantage to him.
10. Han Jian
11. Han Fang - I actually have no idea if he's stronger than Han Jian or not
12. Lu Feng? He was only Mid Bronze back when Ling Qi tried to infiltrate Sun Liling's super duper tree fort. I think there are probably people we aren't paying attention to who are in between him and the non-loser Golden Field crew.
13. Huang Da - Basically everything that applies to Lu Feng also applies to him
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34. Huang Da's crazy fiance
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168. Fan Yu

So it looks like the Golden Fields Crew might need a ton of luck to get into the top 8.

Do you think I missed anyone important, or egregiously misranked someone?
 
Yeangst said:
Yeah, I wonder what chances Han Jian, Gu Xiulan, Lu Feng, and other late-tellows have in the tournament.

I'll give my guess of contestant ranks and tiers:

Tier I

1. Sun Liling - The first of the group to fully break into the third realm. Has tons of resources and family arts
2. Bai Meizhen - I'm putting her below Sun just because she broke through a little later. She's got pretty much all the advantages Sun has. In fights between the two, the first was a draw, the second, when Sun was Green/Bronze but Meizhen was still only Green/Silver, Meizhen won with help, and the third time, Meizhen won when Liling was spec'ed for hunting rather than direct combat
3. Cai Renxiang - She lags behind the other two in cultivation, but she has an equipment advantage.

Tier Ia

4. Chu Song - She wasn't talented enough to make the Inner Sect her first year, and her family doesn't have the resources they used to. She was also beaten in a fight by Meizhen. But she's been in the third realm for a while and should have an Art Suite fully fit for her cultivation level, even if I expect her to have fewer equipped arts than tier I.

Tier II

5. Ling Qi
6. Ji Rong - He could be ahead of Ling Qi now, but I think Ling Qi was ahead due to his two time-outs and lack of access to resources and sect points for a long period of time.
7. Gan Guangli - This is based on the impression that he's yellow/bronze. If he's made green since, then I could put him equivalent to Ling Qi and Ji Rong. He's also probably got a more cohesive and synergistic art suite and I'm guessing direct material support from Cai.

Tier III

8. Kang Zihao - I'm putting him top of Tier III instead of bottom of Tier II or even Tier IIa because he's been stuck in breakthrough hell for so long. Despite starting as one of the strongest students, Gan Guangli's decisively passed him, and Han Jian was arguably equivalent a few weeks ago.
9. Gu Xiulan - I believe that the tribulation probably put her ahead of Han Jian by now, but reliable access to the White Room might tip to advantage to him.
10. Han Jian
11. Han Fang - I actually have no idea if he's stronger than Han Jian or not
12. Lu Feng? He was only Mid Bronze back when Ling Qi tried to infiltrate Sun Liling's super duper tree fort. I think there are probably people we aren't paying attention to who are in between him and the non-loser Golden Field crew.
13. Huang Da - Basically everything that applies to Lu Feng also applies to him
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34. Huang Da's crazy fiance
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168. Fan Yu

So it looks like the Golden Fields Crew might need a ton of luck to get into the top 8.

Do you think I missed anyone important, or egregiously misranked someone?
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You've missed Xuan Shi, who is still probably a little stronger then us.
 
Yeangst said:
So it looks like the Golden Fields Crew might need a ton of luck to get into the top 8.

Do you think I missed anyone important, or egregiously misranked someone?
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I think there should be at least another bronze/green second year we don't know of.

Apart from that, Chu Song is hard to judge- she looked strangely weak back in week 25, but that was plausibly due to her fighting Meizhen and not having put in the effort to open meridians yet as she felt there was no need to hurry there. She's going to have low-quality arts in her art suite, but she is probably also going to be appraisal/appraisal and have way more arts than anyone but the monsters. Bad gear though (probably around the quality of gear we'll have at best).

I'd also rank KZ below Han Jian/Xiulan, if only because all three have spirit beasts but Heijin is so much better damage wise and Han Jian will have a shit ton of art thanks to white room. Xiulan, herself, punch stupidly hard.
TheLastOne said:
You've missed Xuan Shi, who is still probably a little stronger then us.
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Xuan Shi has been confirmed to go production.
 
Yeangst said:
8. Kang Zihao - I'm putting him top of Tier III instead of bottom of Tier II or even Tier IIa because he's been stuck in breakthrough hell for so long. Despite starting as one of the strongest students, Gan Guangli's decisively passed him, and Han Jian was arguably equivalent a few weeks ago.
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How do you reckon? As I see it his advancement is a solid match for GG. I think he broke through earlier, even.
 
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