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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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Arkeus said:
Also beginning at late red/gold and having money means they can get +8 dice to AS reliably from the start, and it only increases with Qi Foundation pills.

Yeah, I am tempted to be with Bai now simply because it's been forever, and I am not sure I can excuse having more than one social action in week 13 and I really want to do Gu Xiulan's.

(I want to do AS/Spiritual/Double Yellow breakthrough on week 13. We really need AS as we have 2 extra Qi foundation pills and the sooner we get to AS5 the sooner we get to EPC).

@yrsillar, you monster, bullying Li Suyin. Also, can I say how glad I am at how dangerous you are making Huang Da and Ji Rong?
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Ah well, not everything can go well, and Li Suyin is still struggling to Master her arts, while shes good, she doesn't really compare to you three.

Alectai said:
Hmm, @yrsillar

Qi Foundation Pills still work as long as we don't break through to Yellow, right? If we were to break through to Silver, we could still use them for stuff like Argent Soul progression?
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No they end at Silver too.

Hangwind said:
[X] At Li Suyin and Su Ling's house, she had gone to comfort her friend

@yrsillar Would it be considered going too far if we ambushed Huang Da in the middle of the night, beat him, stole his pass, and crucified him on his own doorposts? Actually, can we steal his pass for Li Suyin?
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Tone down that last part and yeah that'd be fine. Of course that does means its possible to lose your pass, careful now.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure what the bias against double breakthrough is. It seems like breakthrough requires cloistering for some reason, (dignity? Idunno), so I see no reason behind not just taking a week to hole up in that Argent Cave and do breakthrough/Argent Soul/FVM super-intensely for a week until we either pass or fail the breakthroughs.

The problem with delaying breakthroughs is that people are right in that they're not guaranteed to succeed. We need to allot time for a failure, which means doing it ASAP just in case we need to build everything back up again for another go. Otherwise we could still be working on Yellow weeks and weeks from now, which is dangerous with the Truce gone.

edit: Although, on second thought: Argent Cave is a terrible idea with Huang Da around. Just stay at home hiding under Meizhen's skirts.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
Yeah, I'm not sure what the bias against double breakthrough is. It seems like breakthrough requires cloistering for some reason, (dignity? Idunno), so I see no reason behind not just taking a week to hole up in that Argent Cave and do breakthrough/Argent Soul/FVM super-intensely for a week until we either pass or fail the breakthroughs.

The problem with delaying breakthroughs is that people are right in that they're not guaranteed to succeed. We need to allot time for a failure, which means doing it ASAP just in case we need to build everything back up again for another go. Otherwise we could still be working on Yellow weeks and weeks from now, which is dangerous with the Truce gone.
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I am for going for double breakthrough.
 
drake_azathoth said:
Yeah, I'm not sure what the bias against double breakthrough is. It seems like breakthrough requires cloistering for some reason, (dignity? Idunno), so I see no reason behind not just taking a week to hole up in that Argent Cave and do breakthrough/Argent Soul/FVM super-intensely for a week until we either pass or fail the breakthroughs.

The problem with delaying breakthroughs is that people are right in that they're not guaranteed to succeed. We need to allot time for a failure, which means doing it ASAP just in case we need to build everything back up again for another go. Otherwise we could still be working on Yellow weeks and weeks from now, which is dangerous with the Truce gone.
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Yeah, I think that's probably why, people devote more actions then they strictly need so they can try again if they fail, otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for people to sequester themselves like they have been.

Ling Qi is just a freak of nature with how good her Talent is--we could potentially get away with just devoting two breakthrough actions, but it'd still be risky even then.
 
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Alectai said:
On the other hand, nobody we know has actually failed to break through from what I can see?
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Han Jian failed physical breakthrough quite badly I think. I think he attempted double-breakthrough the week he was doing it and the next week Gu Xiulan mentioned that Han Jian and Han Fang had gone off to train physical together and that Han Jian had been thwarted somehow.
 
Alectai said:
Still, yuck, the breakthrough tests are going to be scary, 35% chance of failing each time, and we need two to break through to Yellow. On the other hand, nobody we know has actually failed to break through from what I can see?
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Gu Xiulan looked like she tried to breakthough in week 9 or so and failed.
drake_azathoth said:
The problem with delaying breakthroughs is that people are right in that they're not guaranteed to succeed. We need to allot time for a failure, which means doing it ASAP just in case we need to build everything back up again for another go. Otherwise we could still be working on Yellow weeks and weeks from now, which is dangerous with the Truce gone.
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It means that it's much better to go 2/3 breakthrough actions, then getting back up to top, then doing it again. Not spending all week doing it, as we need to keep up our social links/bonus and move forward too. Spending 2/3 actions on breakthrough is already good.
 
Alectai said:
Still, yuck, the breakthrough tests are going to be scary, 35% chance of failing each time, and we need two to break through to Yellow. On the other hand, nobody we know has actually failed to break through from what I can see?
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Han Jian, no? He said he was going to break through to Early Silver since Week 10. Well, Xiulan told us that's what he was working on. That means he's failed the past few weeks and has had to rebuild.

Other than that, oh god, guys, why pick Suyin. We can't defend the 2 of them from a dedicated assault. Neither of them are dedicated fighters, and we'll be drawing down so much heat on them at the beginning of the Thunderdome when every arrogant lordling is going to be coming over to attempt to beat us down into the dirt like the peasant we are. At least let the furor die down first before spending time with them at their house.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
Yeah, I'm not sure what the bias against double breakthrough is. It seems like breakthrough requires cloistering for some reason, (dignity? Idunno), so I see no reason behind not just taking a week to hole up in that Argent Cave and do breakthrough/Argent Soul/FVM super-intensely for a week until we either pass or fail the breakthroughs.

The problem with delaying breakthroughs is that people are right in that they're not guaranteed to succeed. We need to allot time for a failure, which means doing it ASAP just in case we need to build everything back up again for another go. Otherwise we could still be working on Yellow weeks and weeks from now, which is dangerous with the Truce gone.
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Its mostly that you're kinda immobile while doing a stage breakthrough and typically lose a significant amount of situational awareness due to the inward focus. Plus, you know even for yellow it basically means your not going anywhere for a full day.

Han Jian has been at peak red since he got here. He failed quite a few times.
 
yrsillar said:
Its mostly that you're kinda immobile while doing a stage breakthrough and typically lose a significant amount of situational awareness due to the inward focus. Plus, you know even for yellow it basically means your not going anywhere for a full day.

Han Jian has been at peak red since he got here. He failed quite a few times.
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Oh wow, poor guy.

I kind of want to give him a platonic hug at this point, he's been trying so hard lately, but he's running into the brick wall that is 'Average talent'
 
Katreus said:
Other than that, oh god, guys, why pick Suyin. We can't defend the 2 of them from a dedicated assault. Neither of them are dedicated fighters, and we'll be drawing down so much heat on them at the beginning of the Thunderdome when every arrogant lordling is going to be coming over to attempt to beat us down into the dirt like the peasant we are. At least let the furor die down first before spending time with them at their house.
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Well, they are going to be attacked even without us there, so there is an argument they'll do better with us.
tenchifew said:
I am for going for double breakthrough.
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tenchifew said:
But I really think we should try for a double breakthrough seeing as we are being one of the most hunted preys.

We have good chances to manage at least one.
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We really, really shouldn't. That doesn't improve our odds of achieving one that much, in fact spacing breakthroughs go much better, especially as training back up with a group gives other bonuses. Spending 5 actions on breakthroughs is a really, really bad idea, and also means we are wasting our Qi Foundation pills :( 3 actions/week for breakthrough is by far better.
 
[X] With Gu Xiulan, the other girl had wanted to celebrate her breakthrough

Assuming she has some kind of mobility art fighting Gu Xuilan and Ling Qi at once would basically consist of Ling Qi setting up FVM while Gu Xiulan blasts away then joining her in kite-blasting the hell out of the now gimped victims.
 
yrsillar said:
Its mostly that you're kinda immobile while doing a stage breakthrough and typically lose a significant amount of situational awareness due to the inward focus. Plus, you know even for yellow it basically means your not going anywhere for a full day.

Han Jian has been at peak red since he got here. He failed quite a few times.
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Wait, what? Why was he so confident by the end then? Because he had both one breakthrough for Yellow and Silver?
 
Arkeus said:
Li Suyin is known to have at least a Qi Foundation Pill, maybe multiple of them. She's going to be attacked for them even if she isn't attacked for being our friend.
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With Su Ling, they can hide in the woods though, esp. since Suyin has a movement art to avoid trouble. With us there, we're enough of a threat that the more dangerous combatants are going to be coming rather than just the usual chaff. That is, the heat we draw is much greater than what's going after Suyin.
 
[X] With Gu Xiulan, the other girl had wanted to celebrate her breakthrough

Planning social actions with Li Suyin next week, so lets touch base with her during these events. It will probably count for keeping in touch with her for the next week so she doesn't fill left out. We sacrificed getting to Peak Red this week to master Zephyr because we though it would make us fite bettr, so lets see how that works out. Honestly, with our Qi, we can soak up a lot of damage at this point and keep going - we're turning into a bit of a brick here, so a more martial plan seems fine.

For next week I would suggest something like

[] Go out hunting with Su Ling, it could be pretty profitable
We really should start developing that social link a little.
[]Do something social with Li Suyin
She taken another hit, so we sort of need to pick her up a little
[]Spiritual Cultivation on the vent
We're eight away.
[] Breakthough
- if successful breakthrough, if not train with Han Jain
We need to try and break though. If we fail I suspect we'll have a chance to be comforted about the failure (and given some advise for how you can load the odds in your favor in the future)

It's a social heavy plan, but we have been doing low social plans, so this seems like taking care of a bunch of things we haven't dealt with yet.
 
I really don't understand why the sect allows this fighting, all the cultivators would advance so much faster if they didn't have to deal with this shit.
 
TheLastOne said:
[X] With Gu Xiulan, the other girl had wanted to celebrate her breakthrough

Planning social actions with Li Suyin next week, so lets touch base with her during these events. It will probably count for keeping in touch with her for the next week so she doesn't fill left out. We sacrificed getting to Peak Red this week to master Zephyr because we though it would make us fite bettr, so lets see how that works out. Honestly, with our Qi, we can soak up a lot of damage at this point and keep going - we're turning into a bit of a brick here, so a more martial plan seems fine.
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It does actually, help us a lot. It's more defense against ranged attacks--and most importantly, it re-establishes distance against someone who closes in to melee with us, which is one of our weaknesses as our active defenses have limited effect against melee attacks.

No7sHere said:
I really don't understand why the sect allows this fighting, all the cultivators would advance so much faster if they didn't have to deal with this shit.
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It's about concentrating resources to the top of the pile, the most talented and the most clever acolytes get the most resources this way.

Diamonds in the rough get a chance to polish themselves, and the rich will get richer. That's the theory anyway. It's all about removing the cases that weren't hopeless, but also lacked the necessary ability to succeed in the Path to Immortality.
 
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