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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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TotallyNotEvil said:
It very much isn't. It's about not stopping Meizhen doing what she knows must be done, so he isn't a threat anymore.
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The Bai do that through torture. Bai will crush his fingers one by one as we listen. Bai will gouge out his eyes as we watch him cry. This what the Bai do to people and I am sure that it what others do to people slight them. I do not know how to make it clearer.

If we do not reign in Bai Yan is going to be tortured. We will still steal everything he owns and shatter any power he has.

But unless Bai is reigned in there will be torture. We have already seen in in cui interlude. Those would have been merciful and light compared to what she will do to Yan.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
And the vote I support does not read "lets go torture him for the lulz".
Because the vote you support offers no significant, permanent solution.

Inflicting on him the same he'd inflict on his contratees sounds pretty good, actually. Boot him back to the first realm.
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You know I believe you about not wanting to torture him if your very next statement wasn't about how you want some kind of 'ironic vengence' inflicted on him (for those maybe 2 people who almost certainly never had anything actually done to them or Renshu's contracts would have been exposed much earlier and might disagree with the whole crippling thing).

Putting him in prison for 4 or more months of in quest time is a permanent solution as far as this quest is concerned. It also doesn't involve the main character and her best friend actually commiting at least one of the crimes you claim Yan Renshu is so evil for merely threatening.

And that's if Meizhen somehow has a method to cripple his cultivation back to red level (which is explicitly against sect rules, certainly no trouble could come of this) and doesn't decide 'hey I really really want to hurt this guy' or only have a way to give him basically unhealable wounds, which doesn't actually solve this issue and only exacabates things. Which I note you aren't exactly writing in to stop.
 
CircleTheSkies said:
She crippled someone's arm (was it Fan Yu, or someone else?), an injury that lasted some time, for dissing Ling Qi... and went only that far because she was snapped out of it. If I'm remember events that far back right, at least.
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Yeah, poison art crippling Fan Yu's arm, for what I think was a week or two, for grabbing Ling Qi.
 
CircleTheSkies said:
1. Actually... will he? I wouldn't be all that surprised if, assuming Ling Qi and Bai Meizhen suddenly stopped, he'd still try and mess with Ling Qi's plans.
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If he wanted to stop the feud he could've sent an envoy to us asking us to call off Meizhen. He has plenty of minions after all. He has no interest in calling it quits.

CircleTheSkies said:
Nah. A surrender would still lead to "drag before Cai Renxiang, suggest he be imprisoned" or the like.
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Xuan Shi could barely manage to restrain Ji Rong for a month, even when he tried for a full season and Ji Rong was in yellow.

Not that it matters. If we destroy all of his resources and then let him ago the next day or destroy all his resources and let him go in three months it leaves him in the exact same position. He's no worse off than he was before imprisonment: he still has no resources. Only people who are racing for an end of year deadline care about time-out, especially since unlike a real prison he doesn't have to actually experience any of it.
Neshuakadal said:
You seem to ignore that torture is unhealthy for both Yan Renshu and for us. Torture and killing someone slowly is something no one should even be near because of how warping it can be.
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Good thing torture isn't what are arguing for.
Aze said:
You are acting out of meta knowledge, we werent sur of it before we begined the assault on his bases, and for all we know he has been paid by one of our numerous ennemies to do it
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Ling Qi knows it was a puppet and knows that it used purple mist. That's in character, not meta. How many purple mist using puppet users who can project their techniques at a distance do you think there are on this mountain?

Aze said:
Dude, permenently crippled =/= a portion of their cultivation. Are we reading the same text ?
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You might want to check that with Yrsillar, because ripping out a portion of his of cultivation to weaken him sounds like a good permanent solution, so if he confirms thats part of "not going overboard" I'll probably switch to that.
 
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Vanguard_D said:
How do you get 'not permanently crippling him, and no out of combat brutality' to mean that we permanently make sure will never go against us again? Leaving him healthy means he will be able to come after us.
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I guess this means he could try to come against us at the end of they year, as a production student without resources. When we'll likely be a direct vassal of CRX. That's... not dangerous to us at all.
TotallyNotEvil said:
Uh, no?

Remember the Mist Puppet?

Who do you think was behind that?
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We don't know, we never tried to find out.
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Plus, you know what the first reaction YR had was? He tried to remove our hand. The traditional thief punishment, I believe.

No, Yan Renshu already has a serious grudge, is the kind of person who acts one serious grudges without regard for the rules, and we're about to make it much worse no matter what option we pick.
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He tried to remove the finger that had our space ring, where his book was.
Motile Mollusc said:
By the way, do we know what rolls the Toughness mastery applies to? Has it come up before, or is Zhengui the first instance?
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Stamina + Toughness is an alternative to Dex + Dodge. That's what Chu Song used, for example. Mycombat specpage shows what Zhengui is capable of.
 
Klaus said:
Xuan Shi could barely manage to restrain Ji Rong for a month, even when he tried for a full season and Ji Rong was in yellow.
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But apparently putting someone and entire realm above, with a boatload of Qi, into such a situation will be as easy as good ol' Xuan snapping his fingers.

And take no resources whatsoever.
Arkeus said:
We don't know, we never tried to find out.
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Klaus said:
How many purple mist using puppet users who can project their techniques at a distance do you think there are on this mountain?
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Neshuakadal said:
The Bai do that through torture. Bai will crush his fingers one by one as we listen. Bai will gouge out his eyes as we watch him cry. This what the Bai do to people and I am sure that it what others do to people slight them. I do not know how to make it clearer.

If we do not reign in Bai Yan is going to be tortured. We will still steal everything he owns and shatter any power he has.

But unless Bai is reigned in there will be torture. We have already seen in in cui interlude. Those would have been merciful and light compared to what she will do to Yan.
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That's purely conjecture. Just hurting him and leaving doesn't accomplish the goal, does it?

Will she hurt him? Definitely. But it just so happens we are all cool with filling people with broadheads.
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides

Generosity in victory isn't really the xianxia way, and I doubt he'll thank us for it regardless. But I'd rather Ling Qi not develop those particular unsavory habits, just because that's not the sort of thing I'd like to read.
 
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CircleTheSkies said:
He mentioned that getting him frozen in limbo or otherwise imprisoned was on the "not overboard" list.
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Which will represent him out of circulation for a week...

If we're lucky. Then he will fully be in Sun Liling hand, and all of his skills will go to supporting her and hurting us. It's literally worse then where we are now. So no, don't pretend that's a solution that actually solves the problem he represents. Anyone arguing it is, is being deeply dishonest at this point. We've had repeated examples of it not sticking.
 
There's no permanent solutions to problems in the sect. That's the whole point. The best we can do is dissuade him, and try to make sure this grudge won't become something he's willing to go out of his way to pursue in the future.
 
Klaus said:
In the interest of strict honesty, I can't recall it being used on anyone other than Ji Rong. Who else was it used on?
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I think it was used on Kang Zihao.

But let's be honest, there's absolutely no way Yan is breaking out alone. He needs someone else's help for that, preferably Sun Liling.

And the problem there is that Sun CAN'T help Yan. She publicly denounced him as a villain. Saving him from imprisonment is kinda destroying her credibility for no genuine reason since Yan Renshu isn't really part of her faction anymore.
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TheLastOne said:
Which will represent him out of circulation for a week...

If we're lucky. Then he will fully be in Sun Liling hand, and all of his skills will go to supporting her and hurting us. It's literally worse then where we are now. So no, don't pretend that's a solution that actually solves the problem he represents. Anyone arguing it is, is being deeply dishonest at this point. We've had repeated examples of it not sticking.
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Sun Liling attempting to break him out would be actually rather useful - it ties her more fully to someone most of the sect dislikes (and that she herself has claimed to have disavowed) and has a very real risk (note that her own support has collapsed) of failure.

And that's assuming she would - without his resources and followers, how useful is he to her?

Of course, even assuming he does escape from such a fate... is he going to try an exact REVENGE... or is he going to keep his head down and avoid provoking the crazy duo yet again*? After all, if he stays hidden and works on his production project, he can either get in to the inner sect or at least re-establish his power base after the crazy year has graduated to the inner sect.


* Because so far it's been a loss every time. He helps Sun Liling with one of her major attacks... then, a while later, Ling Qi sneaks into his bases and loots his stuff. He gives Sun Liling intel on Ling Qi (for free!) when he's asked for it... and Liling doesn't manage to beat the thief up and loses a lot of her own support to boot. He manages to block her from doing a mission (probably costing him some qi and time)... and she promptly does yet more missions without him able to interfere. And then sics Meizhen on the remains of his organization, leading to the pair hunting him down and looting him again.

He can see a pattern - and I wouldn't at all be surprised if he just lays low in the case of an escape. After all, Ling Qi and Bai Mezihen have to worry about Sun Liling and company, as well as other competitors for the tournament. He can just quietly work on his term project or just wait for them to graduate and be out of his hair.
 
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PrimalShadow said:
I suppose if Bai torture him badly enough to get him to flinch at the very thought of interacting with us on anyone under our aegis, that would do it.
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That's one possibility, sure.

The other is her directly hurting his cultivation so he is no longer a threat.

Or maybe she will show him the error of his ways and he will become a preacher.

Little use in speculating.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
And that was when Xuan Shi had a cultivation edge on Ji Rong.
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Xuan Shi has almost certainly gotten better at his formations since then, I'd note. I also got the impression that the month duration wasn't because he couldn't (particularly if he put some effort into it), but because the crime didn't require any greater length of punishment.

I wager there are other ways of imprisoning him as well, of course.

Orkus Majorkus said:
Ok come on don't try to make that book out to be something other than completely predatory and extortionary. The only reason a ton of bricks didn't drop on him was because of a legal loophole where Sect's aren't under normal Imperial law.
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And nearly all the contracts being fakes, of course.
 
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