Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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I suspect that the QM waived the mechanics and employed narrative fiat for that fight. As you say without this information, it does make it hard to judge how dangerous is too dangerous. That's also why I want more fights for Ling Qi. Need more data.
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Arkeus
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Dices would be great, but if it was used with narrative fiats it does tell us we are good enough such a fight can be done with fiat. That tells us that narratively Ling Qi has no issue using Elegy on a Green Appraisal (+2 auto successes on us) spirit beast that focus on spiritual attacks itself, and that our group of 6 could easily beat a group of 20+ late yellow monsters lead by a green appraisal one (wolves are 20 or so mid yellow led by a early green).
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I'm not sure how you got from that narrative that there were 20+ late yellow children with the plant monster. It reads to me that there was just one grade 3 monster, though one so large that its outer layers are weaker. Ling Qi, while trying to target its core, seemed to think that there was just one of it.
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I think if you wanted Ling Qi to do that wolf job so much you should have asked yrsillar about it directly. As Ling Qi is a better judge of the abilities of herself and her friends than any of us, and she actually has tangled with the wolves before, I believe the QM would tell you how many other people Ling Qi thinks she will need with her to do the job safely.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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While you might be right in a metaphysical sense with one 'hivemind', it was the opposite in a practical sense: we were surrounded by many opponents at once while trying to get to the appraisal green monster (one level above early green).
We already know how many, we have seen the wolves before. They are trash tier. I didn't think I needed to ask Yrsillar anything about them because I doubt we'd even have to roll if we get more than a single ally with us that's late yellow.
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Well at least several people disagree with you so it makes sense to get a QM clarification. In fact while it's too late for this turn it seems likely that the job will still be available the turn after so you could still ask.
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Not sure if it's worth adding any more arguments to the decision but consider what the Mai sisters themselves would want. Since they are Cai supporters and are in awe of her, I think if you asked them f they would prefer to participate in real combat with Gan and Ling Qi or to spar with Ling Qi and a new friend she's going to introduce to them, I'm fairly sure they would pick the former. They seem pretty eager to prove their worth and I think they're really only loyal to Cai right now.
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Well, when I asked about it yrsillar said this:
So I conclude that it's basically going to be a throwaway line, with no significant gain or loss. Won't find the art, but we won't offend her. We do make polite smalltalk about our cultivation progress, so it's reasonable enough to mention.
It's a good thing I don't care what they think.
More seriously, I think they might value the personal attention of the person they're assigned to and who has Cai Renxiang's personal ear in matters more than the chance to distinguish themselves in battle. Ma Jun should certainly feel that way, anyway. Ma Lei seems more scrappy, but then the personal attention is sparring so no great loss, you'd think. But, like, going into battle would be socially desirable for the chance to impress Ling Qi who then improves their standing with Cai Renxiang. The training minor just cuts straight to an implication of favor without the fuss and muss.
Well the main problem I see with the talk about the wolves is the idea that Ling Qi is going to just walk up and fight the whole pack at once, rather than being a sneaky jerk and picking them off in ones and twos for as long as possible. That said, I should have put up the dice for the plant monster fight. So...
Plant Monster spirit offense: 25-27 dice
Plant monster defense: 20-25 dice at the core, less in the outer layers
Anyway, can I get the tally for the vote?
Plant Monster spirit offense: 25-27 dice
Plant monster defense: 20-25 dice at the core, less in the outer layers
Anyway, can I get the tally for the vote?
Arkeus
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@yrsillar Another question, because I have been told that apparently with the block tally counting we can vote for multiple plans. Is that alright if we do so? For example, in this last vote, I would vote for all the 'acceptable' votes to me, and so on.
I think it would help for 'later' plans not to be considered nonviable just because they came later, like @Absum 's
I think it would help for 'later' plans not to be considered nonviable just because they came later, like @Absum 's
Arkeus
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SV's tally program, if we count by block, handles multiple plan voting as long as they are in the same post. For example, @tricholysis is counted as voting both for Emerald Sea and Emerald Sea with Lan Lan in the tally above.
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So i take it that 30 dice goal we had going on is only relevant for Greens (1) in their heavy specialization area, or for monsters like Liling and Meizhen.
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Wouldn't people voting for multiple plans make things more confusing? Or cause chaos in general? Not too familiar with how it works but if it's been working so far why change it?
I mean it's really not hard to vote for just 1 plan even if you like multiple plans. You can always change your mind later on or just not vote.
I mean it's really not hard to vote for just 1 plan even if you like multiple plans. You can always change your mind later on or just not vote.
Why would it? What kind of chaos are you expecting to see? What kind of confusion?
Look at the tally. See how many people voted for each thing. Done. It works equally well when people vote for multiple options as when people vote for only one.
Arkeus
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Well, dice for spiritual still seems somewhat harder to get than physical... and Han Jian was able to resist the spiritual attacks from the plant monster, even though it had 2/4? autos on him. So, huh, I'd say it's more 'spirit beast are often not very good for their levels as they have no formal training'.
Anyway, for example on how physical is easier: we are now already at 30-35 dice defence against physical attack (first turn), and at 25-30 physical attack dice in archery (and should get another +2-4 this turn).
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Voting for multiple Plans is a better method to show what exactly you want. Or rather the whole thread wants. And it also gives an idea of what each voter does not want.
Assuming all the plans are up when people vote, of course.
It also (mostly) negates ties and people having to vote for a plan they "don't really like" to bar a plan they "really dislike" from winning.
Just though of something, last time we used a minor on Suyin we got:
I'm guessing the healing salve (which btw isn't in the inventory for some reason), is reward for the previous action. So that mean the Vault warrior formation is going to cost (at least) 3 actions in total to unlock from the book. It better be pretty amazing for that cost! Maybe the first oooo we get ?
On the other hand the Argent Liquid research isn't likely to start until after that is done, even though we spend time with Su Ling every week, so ... very unlikely we actually get anything from it before Breakthrough week
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That many dice plus 2-4 autos... Do Jian/Fang have particularly high sp.def or did the plant monster roll poorly there?
If our non-monster peers can resist that many sp.atk dice our debuff strategy is gonna need some major work.
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Voting for multiple Plans is a better method to show what exactly you want. Or rather the whole thread wants. And it also gives an idea of what each voter does not want.
Assuming all the plans are up when people vote, of course.
It also (mostly) negates ties and people having to vote for a plan they "don't really like" to bar a plan they "really dislike" from winning.
Just though of something, last time we used a minor on Suyin we got:
I'm guessing the healing salve (which btw isn't in the inventory for some reason), is reward for the previous action. So that mean the Vault warrior formation is going to cost (at least) 3 actions in total to unlock from the book. It better be pretty amazing for that cost! Maybe the first oooo we get ?
On the other hand the Argent Liquid research isn't likely to start until after that is done, even though we spend time with Su Ling every week, so ... very unlikely we actually get anything from it before Breakthrough week
The amount of xp we get per turn for formations is basically us rolling our formations dice, which is the following:
Intelligence 4+ Formations 5= 9 dice or 3 average sux. This means we get 3 xp per turn or so. We might also get a bonus from Suyin. Also keep in mind that our xp is actually 4/9 because somebody put Omake points there.
Yrs also explained the difficulty ratings of formations. The Ossuary Scout was oo dots, but it cost 6xp. The reason for that is that while most formations are = (Number of dotsx2) some more difficult or esoteric formations are (Number of dotsx3). This means that Ossuary Scouts count as esoteric or difficult.
What this means is that Vault Warrior is ooo dots because it's xp threshold is 9 xp. We can still get it in 1-2 turns however. 1 turn if we spend 2 omake points on it, 2 turns if we don't.