Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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@Arkeus I'd rather not share the Vent with the Ma sisters. I'm fine spending time with them, but the Vent's not entirely ours to share.
Kinda want the Cai minor as well, but I'm ok leaving that until next week. The contingencies definitely needs to be next week if we want to take them though. If the trend continues and it's roughly 4 weeks between 'Things being on Fire', affter next week we might not have time to prepare.
As for the build I like both Archery and Music, and we can actually have both, just not at the same time. If we pick up a dedicated Archery art (and maybe a support art like FZ), then we could just keep it unequipped unless we see ourselves needing more personally dealt damage. Our Talent has allowed us to keep everything equipped so far, but that's unlikely to be the case in Inner Sect (or at least it would be less efficient).
@Arkeus I'd rather not share the Vent with the Ma sisters. I'm fine spending time with them, but the Vent's not entirely ours to share.
Kinda want the Cai minor as well, but I'm ok leaving that until next week. The contingencies definitely needs to be next week if we want to take them though. If the trend continues and it's roughly 4 weeks between 'Things being on Fire', affter next week we might not have time to prepare.
As for the build I like both Archery and Music, and we can actually have both, just not at the same time. If we pick up a dedicated Archery art (and maybe a support art like FZ), then we could just keep it unequipped unless we see ourselves needing more personally dealt damage. Our Talent has allowed us to keep everything equipped so far, but that's unlikely to be the case in Inner Sect (or at least it would be less efficient).
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Yeah, no, drop the attacks if you want to be taken seriously. Support is fundamentally a good idea for anyone whose going to be serving in the army with a large team, and so I was vary enthused about FVM when we got it. I've become less so, and @yrsillar has talked about the difficulties of large scale fights. That's why he's planning on changing the system, because it doesn't play well with lots of actors.
I've never been one who supported any kind of 'pure' build, since that kills you the moment you can't rely on it. I've always supported a well rounded approach where we could attack, defend, move, and support, and I've pushed hard for us to not pigeonhole ourselves into non-functionality.
But anyone who says I'm against the idea of a support build is lying/strawmanning.
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Theunderbolt
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[X] Plan Meridians are Dorks.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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My plan is not sharing the vent. The minions are standing outside while we train, so this is basically just us going outside to meet them. I'll switch the minions to the 'cultivate alone' section, so it makes it more clear, but I think this is a bit of a strange interpretation.
Very much this.
Because while specialized builds are powerful, they also tend to be one trick ponies.
Even Bai was very inconvenienced by an opponent who refused to attack her and thus did not receive her devastating counterattacks.
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Point is, FVM doesn't really play well with anything else.
And yet I don't think it's useless. It gives us quite the number of defensive dice regardless if we land any of its other aspects on the opponent.
Archery ties in very well with the rest of the build. It isn't the odd one out, Music is.
Summoning/Support goes very well for someone that can then stay at the backlines and lay down the hurt while the meatshields do their job. Similarly, debuff/damage is a timeless classic. As it is, we can do all of those pretty decently, especially if we focus on archery.
Also, I got the impression FSA's has Water and pure Wind successors, not that we should pick up a whole new thing.
I'd like to keep the music within its current support purview, but expand our main focus into archery. Because it's just so very reliable, while music, well, isn't. Music can be a well-maintained secondary skill.
Just as it is now.
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Well like Zhong Peng pointed out having secondary skills is an asset. But having a clear primary as a focus is something we still need. We are mostly talking about what should be our primary focus.
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Plus if we use Music it's not like we'll just be limited to FVM. The Shaman had an offensive Drum art, and presumably there'll be buff and other art types available as well.
OctarineShrike
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Well, the Romans had whistling sling bullets. The Mongolians had whistling arrows.
Apparently whistling arrows got used in the Qing dynasty too. Whistling arrows and whistle arrows | Fe Doro - Manchu archery
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If I thought this would happen I would be fine with dropping AE. The problem is I don't think it will, and i dont really feel confident we will pick up a second spirit either. So it is either AE or nothing and that leaves me rooting for AE.
[X] Plan Forbidden Forests, Forgotten Paths
*Sigh* I did not mean to suggest we abandon music completely by pointing out the drawbacks of a stealth/music build. I do think we are going to run into issues with thinking either make a good FOCUS. For us I think summoning will work well on that count.
The prospect of dropping a pair of spirit kiddos and then two or three horrorterror buddies out of nowhere and then beating down enemies with the TRUE power of friendship- action economy and ganging up on a loner- is pretty appealing and fits all our skills. Even archery works well if it's based around the idea that we use it to slow enemies enough for our FriendTeam to dogpile them.
And yeah, summons works well with stealth because they don't need to make stealth tests until we drop them and we can also just use horrorterror buddies as distractions to run for it.
I do think music and stealth at the same time just doesn't work- either work with summons though. Our focus should be something that works pretty well all the time.
*Sigh* I did not mean to suggest we abandon music completely by pointing out the drawbacks of a stealth/music build. I do think we are going to run into issues with thinking either make a good FOCUS. For us I think summoning will work well on that count.
The prospect of dropping a pair of spirit kiddos and then two or three horrorterror buddies out of nowhere and then beating down enemies with the TRUE power of friendship- action economy and ganging up on a loner- is pretty appealing and fits all our skills. Even archery works well if it's based around the idea that we use it to slow enemies enough for our FriendTeam to dogpile them.
And yeah, summons works well with stealth because they don't need to make stealth tests until we drop them and we can also just use horrorterror buddies as distractions to run for it.
I do think music and stealth at the same time just doesn't work- either work with summons though. Our focus should be something that works pretty well all the time.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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I think AE will grow to fit our build more. I am confident the Grinning Moon chose well for us, art wise. It's a bit awkward for us right now because of the wrong mastery and us not having a lot of spiritual abilities, but I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to change that simply by getting things to enhance FVM, and I think AE's latter techs and upgrades to the tech would be very significant.
Other than the points we've already made about this, I'd point out that Ruan was actually pretty stealthy.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Summoning probably would be a decent focus, since it provides minions we can theoretically buff (assuming a system fix happens). We just aren't invested enough in AE yet to see how well that will work in practice, but I'm all for continuing to develop it.
? We've kind of been over the issue, and I feel I've said what I wanted to, but I just looked over the post he appeared in and couldn't find that. Cite?
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I mean, I wouldn't read too much into it. But if he is passively hiding his qi, it suggests at least some investment in stealth.