Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Argent Storm seems to fit into Ling Qis build quite well. Thunderous Retort is the physical counter technique she has lacked thus far, more Defense, Speed and Initiative plays nicely into her strengths. DV boost to FVMs music attack is appreciated and Rumbling Squall is an instant physical defense buff. And its elemental and meridian loadout plays to her strengths as well

It is a bit redundant, but apparently Inner Disciple Archer is of the opinion that stacking Arts on top of each other is the way to go, and AS does that very well.
I am not sure Argent Storm fit us so well. All argent arts are very good for foundation anyway.... but are we going to use counters so much? I guess it helps give us more sustainability when supporting people, though.

@yrsillar, 'standard dice' talked about in the art is unnarmed right, not 'weapon you have equipped'?

So, we got 14 to FZ, which means that, in two weeks, we'll be able to have 125/90 as long as we do two missions with stealth and do one training action then. This means we might be able to open a meridian through overflow, which helps a lot.

So I am proposing something like this :

[] Plan Meridians are Dorks.
-[] market pills: relevant ones
-[] rare pills : none
Because we want to keep Highsun for actually difficult meridians… unless people feel really uncomfortable with this.

Major actions
-[] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[] TRF
-[] Take a job
--[] Passion Fruit Collection
[] Train with Meizhen
--[] Meridian : Spine
[] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[] FSA
So we can get FSA5 next week.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Meridian : Arm
So we can equip FSA5 next turn.

Minor actions
[] Spend further time around Cai Renxiang, try to get into her head a little, and see what the girl is really like
[] Meizhen held something back in your last conversation. Press her on it, it seemed that she had some idea that might allow them to stay together
[] Xiulan's family apparently wants to talk to you, you should probably see to that
[] Spend a little time with your 'bodyguards. You should at least know what they can do in a fight
[] Spend some time with Zeqing, you should try to better understand the snow woman, so that you don't end up offending her


I think Zeqing is necessary as we brought Sun Liling to her last time, Meizhen is necessary so we understand what's going on, Cai is necesarry if we want to build our relationship, our retainers are necessary if we want to see them as people, and Xiulan is necessary because we haven't seen her for more than a month now.
 
I don't see why a bond of friendship is any more stifling to personal freedom than being a vassal with relatively little oversight. A lack of multiple bosses, accountability, dope resources, dosh fo daiz, and only being on call for people we actually feel obligated to.

Like, long-term, a favor for a friend in need would be just as much a shackle for Li as an oath swearing vassalage to a relatively hands-off administrator like Cai.

It just so happens that Cai also likes our friends, so that just ups our freedom to weigh in for their benefit even more. Freedom from responsibility and freedom of agency are two very different things. It's less about the ties that bind, and more about avoiding the millstones around your neck.

Millstones like shitty bosses. No bosses. Being hunted down due to interfactional meddling. Flagging cultivation due to lacking resources. Being bullied by some asshole who has a backer yoh cant dislodge.

Etc.

Is your argument really that owning a favour to a friend is the same as being a vassal to somebody?? You really believe that? Because that argument is so obviously false I am not even sure where I should get started.

There is an obvious difference in relationships between friends and the one of a vassal and a lord, in the first the participants are roughly equal while in the second case there is an obvious hierarchy. That is very significant difference. A vassalage is like owning not one favour to a friend but owning endless favours to your lord and having only a limited if any possibility of saying no. It means that it is the lord that leads, saying which "factions"/people to support and which to hinder

I mean the few quasi-vassal relationships we have seen so far don't exactly suggest much room to make your own decisions - your lord leaves the conference/alliance, you leave too no question asked or order needed. Your lord makes an enemy, that somebody is no your enemy to and if you can you are supposed to hurt them. Hell, even the relationship between Han Jian and Fan Yu, which are supposed to be more like allies than anything else, makes it pretty clear that saying no to your boss isn't exactly done.

And all taht will be made worse by the fact that we are supposed not just some vassal but one of the "inner" circle of Cai, which means we would be even more tightly bond to her than normal.

That is in my opinion a massive reduction in freedom, be it responsibility or agency.
 
So I have an idea for a focus.
What if we focused on creating constructs like the worms or are mist creatures. We can use our debuff arts to give the weaker minions that we summon good chances to hit. We then use the physical defense arts to keep us a live longer so that our constructs last longer. We have a great deal of potential synergy if we start being a monster summoner. It really would work well for us.
 
"As we all must," Zhong Peng replied, shrugging his broad shoulders. "Choose what you want to do, tailor your skills to that," he added bluntly. "As things are, once you have mastered Falling Stars… I would suggest looking into mid and close range variants, water or pure wind. One who tries to do all things will only find themselves drowning in mediocrity."

So, pretty explicit suggestions that we build more coherently, along with Ling Qi suggesting her focus is music. Also a later statement that we push more elemental unity. Wind/Water/Dark is pretty good for us atm, though wood is nifty too with TRF.

I'd say this is a pretty good call for a second music art and less spamming everything. FVM and SCS synergize, so building around a core of that would let us focus on our best combination of arts for both combat and utility.

This is about as explicit a call to focus more on build cohesion gets though, and we should pay attention.



Minors seem pretty fixed. We shouldn't put of Xiulan's family, and we really need to stop dodging the Meizhen minor. We offended Zeqing last time a bit, and a good deal of management there is important. That leaves 3 set. That leaves 2 options for other stuff. I'd lean to escape provisions and either another CRX action (with an attached vote to ask what we'll be doing for her in the short term inner-sect, rather than just in bigger picture stuff she mentioned before, or bodyguards because it's nice to befriend people that are going to fight for you.

What if we focused on creating constructs like the worms or are mist creatures. We can use our debuff arts to give the weaker minions that we summon good chances to hit. We then use the physical defense arts to keep us a live longer so that our constructs last longer. We have a great deal of potential synergy if we start being a monster summoner. It really would work well for us.

The worms are shit so far, and we have no real indication they ever get good. It doesn't really make good use of our talent or second tier specialty, particularly since FVM requires very little to sustain while we act individually, and our actions dramatically outdo the worms.

Music and stealth are our best options based on what we have and what Ling Qi likes, and FVM provides a point of connection for the two.
 
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[] Plan Meridians are Dorks.
-[] market pills: relevant ones
-[] rare pills : none
Because we want to keep Highsun for actually difficult meridians… unless people feel really uncomfortable with this.

Major actions
-[] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[] TRF
-[] Take a job
--[] Passion Fruit Collection
[] Train with Meizhen
--[] Meridian : Spine
[] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[] FSA
So we can get FSA5 next week.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Meridian : Arm
So we can equip FSA5 next turn.
Any particular reason you are taking a job instead of doing the favor-repayment mission?

As for opening meridians, I would much prefer that we drop at least FSA in favor of another meridian. That or change the name of the plan, because at two meridian actions and no rare pills affecting it calling it a meridian plan is a disgrace to meridian plans.
 
This simply doesn't work for our build. Our combat style is to lay a bunch of debuffs on people while dodging attacks and supporting allies. When we do attack directly in melee, it comes at the end of our combo. By then, we don't really need armor and defensive dice that much. Basically, this technique simultaneously boosts defense and melee attack, and we want the former at the beginning of a fight and the latter at the very end.

Personally i think the melee effect is incidental to the technique. I mean, deafening the enemy does not seem to be something that is useful all that often. I think the value in this technique might be in stacking it on top of Deepwood Vitality, the defense bonus of which it matches at a lower rank. It can't be layered on allies and exchanges the temporary healthbox for a point of armor.

Or is there something i can't see that prevents this?
 
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I am not sure Argent Storm fit us so well. All argent arts are very good for foundation anyway.... but are we going to use counters so much? I guess it helps give us more sustainability when supporting people, though.

@yrsillar, 'standard dice' talked about in the art is unnarmed right, not 'weapon you have equipped'?

So, we got 14 to FZ, which means that, in two weeks, we'll be able to have 125/90 as long as we do two missions with stealth and do one training action then. This means we might be able to open a meridian through overflow, which helps a lot.

So I am proposing something like this :

[] Plan Meridians are Dorks.
-[] market pills: relevant ones
-[] rare pills : none
Because we want to keep Highsun for actually difficult meridians… unless people feel really uncomfortable with this.

Major actions
-[] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[] TRF
-[] Take a job
--[] Passion Fruit Collection
[] Train with Meizhen
--[] Meridian : Spine
[] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[] FSA
So we can get FSA5 next week.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Meridian : Arm
So we can equip FSA5 next turn.

Minor actions
[] Spend further time around Cai Renxiang, try to get into her head a little, and see what the girl is really like
[] Meizhen held something back in your last conversation. Press her on it, it seemed that she had some idea that might allow them to stay together
[] Xiulan's family apparently wants to talk to you, you should probably see to that
[] Spend a little time with your 'bodyguards. You should at least know what they can do in a fight
[] Spend some time with Zeqing, you should try to better understand the snow woman, so that you don't end up offending her


I think Zeqing is necessary as we brought Sun Liling to her last time, Meizhen is necessary so we understand what's going on, Cai is necesarry if we want to build our relationship, our retainers are necessary if we want to see them as people, and Xiulan is necessary because we haven't seen her for more than a month now.

I would support this although I'd rather drop the guards action for something else because we already have issues keeping in touch with everyone and I really want some escape stuff set up.

Also damn I should pay more attention because has it seriously been a month since we took a Xiulan minor that sucks.


Aw, the library minor's gone.:(

Weren't you allowed to write in stuff like that? Or did I forget write ins getting banned?
 
Xiulan, bodyguards and Zeqing are mandatory minors to me. The most interesting other ones to me are the sewing circle and formations.
 
Pst, @Arkeus AE should be finished, though.
It can be finished with a single mission, which we will do soon.
Any particular reason you are taking a job instead of doing the favor-repayment mission?

As for opening meridians, I would much prefer that we drop at least FSA in favor of another meridian. That or change the name of the plan, because at two meridian actions and no rare pills affecting it calling it a meridian plan is a disgrace to meridian plans.
A job means we can hopefully get FZ5 next week (the one after) with enough overflow for another meridian. We also need another tutor next week for TRF if we want to train TRF in three actions and not four, and even then it's iffy because we are getting some bad rolls.

The plan is called 'Meridians are Dorks' because they are dorks, and we need to continue training them. Switching FSA for a meridian action is perfectly fine though, just means FSA5 being week 36, not week 35.

Beside that, if we want to do the wolf mission next week (not this one), I'd prefer having FSA5.
 
Personally i think the melee effect is incidental to the technique. I mean, deafening the enemy does not seem to be something that is useful all that often. I think the value in this technique might be in stacking it on top of Deepwood Vitality, whose defense bonus it matches at a lower rank. It can't be layered on allies and exchanges the temporary healthbox for a point of armor.

Or is there something i can't see that prevents this?
Only the fact that we don't have enough time to layer on more things. We already want to be instant-casting Dissonance, and the Crescent Grace, and then a TRF art, and then maybe Shielding Gale/Serene Reflection/Tranquil Rebuke as appropriate. We really, really, REALLY don't need more things to layer.
 
A job means we can hopefully get FZ5 next week (the one after) with enough overflow for another meridian. We also need another tutor next week for TRF if we want to train TRF in three actions and not four, and even then it's iffy because we are getting some bad rolls.
Right. Good to know, though I'm not remotely interested in any of that.
 
You know whale and dolphin song? How water carries sound? If Ling Qi is to embody something, why not the depths of the ocean? Music/Water/Darkness?
 
Actually, if Music is a thing, then I guess our 3 element build would be Music, Wind, Darkness. Eerie songs in the dark, carried by the wind. Or possibly the wind itself whistling eerie songs in the dark. Pretty cool.
 
Major actions
-[] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[] TRF
-[] Take a job
--[] Passion Fruit Collection
[] Train with Meizhen
--[] Meridian : Spine
[] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[] FSA
So we can get FSA5 next week.
-[] Cultivate on your own
--[] Meridian : Arm
So we can equip FSA5 next turn.

Minor actions
[] Spend further time around Cai Renxiang, try to get into her head a little, and see what the girl is really like
[] Meizhen held something back in your last conversation. Press her on it, it seemed that she had some idea that might allow them to stay together
[] Xiulan's family apparently wants to talk to you, you should probably see to that
[] Spend a little time with your 'bodyguards. You should at least know what they can do in a fight
[] Spend some time with Zeqing, you should try to better understand the snow woman, so that you don't end up offending her

Ok, this I like. Completely agree with all the minors. I really want more time with Cai to get to know her better, and pushing into sewing just seems pushy and needy (remember that our actions affect how Ling Qi's personality evolves!). Definitely shouldn't put Xiulan off. Definitely don't want to put our bodyguards off forever - establishing a relationship early is important. Zeqing is obviously non-negotiable.

Major-wise, a good combo - though I'd probably put meridian at vent, and TRF with the Meiz. Fu Xiang major is also stealth, so we could do that instead of our job. While we do want more Sect Points, if we're trying to get the last Argent Art our best source of information there is likely to be Fu Xiang, so doing that asap might be a good idea.

Question for @yrsillar:
. Lasts three turns, but may be renewed for an additional 4 qi(irreducible) if the user chooses.
I thought that we could just recast techs to refresh them? Is that wrong? Or is this ability an action-less refresh?
 
Actually, if Music is a thing, then I guess our 3 element build would be Music, Wind, Darkness. Eerie songs in the dark, carried by the wind. Or possibly the wind itself whistling eerie songs in the dark. Pretty cool.
I am getting the feeling that stuff like Moon/Music are extra on top of someone's elemental balance. Or at least this seems to be how the Gu are with Fire/Sun, and how Sun Liling is with Wind/Wood/Water+Sunflower.
 
Well, with archer dude recommending pure water or wind arts for archery purposes, I could see us going a Wind/water/darkness route. In contrast, with the amount of Grade 3 wood cores we seem to be getting right now, commissioning a solid wood talisman so that we can go Wind/Wood/Darkness would be pretty cool as well.
 
Mark me as another one who doesn't want to intrude on the sewing circle~

We don't need to be a part of it, especially if we're not interested in sewing (which I doubt we want to do anything with honestly, knowing a little is good enough)

Otherwise GUI action yeaaaaaa boiiiiiii

And a Cai action too, probably? Idk
 
Well, with archer dude recommending pure water or wind arts for archery purposes, I could see us going a Wind/water/darkness route. In contrast, with the amount of Grade 3 wood cores we seem to be getting right now, commissioning a solid wood talisman so that we can go Wind/Wood/Darkness would be pretty cool as well.
Or use the wood cores the spec out Zhengui when he comes out of his growth? Like we saw in the update that Heijin had a talisman on him.
 
Or use the wood cores the spec out Zhengui when he comes out of his growth? Like we saw in the update that Heijin had a talisman on him.

Now we just need a Grade 3 Fire Core to complete the talisman set. Because we can't leave Zhen out of things. Little shoes for Gui and a little hat for Zhen, maybe?

I'm hoping we can teach him TRF so he can handle defence.
 
Is your argument really that owning a favour to a friend is the same as being a vassal to somebody?? You really believe that? Because that argument is so obviously false I am not even sure where I should get started.
Ah oversimplification, my old nemesis.

Your attempts to cull nuance from a discussion for the sake of strawmanning into a binary choice between loaded rhetorical choices shall never come to an end, shall they?

There is an obvious difference in relationships between friends and the one of a vassal and a lord, in the first the participants are roughly equal while in the second case there is an obvious hierarchy. That is very significant difference. A vassalage is like owning not one favour to a friend but owning endless favours to your lord and having only a limited if any possibility of saying no. It means that it is the lord that leads, saying which "factions"/people to support and which to hinder
Only if you view it in a vacuum. For the sake of politics, you may be right, but we aren't doing shit for the sake of politics save as a concern for the fallout for any such actions we may take. In terms of fallout, by the way, mitigating that aspect of restricting our freedom is heavily mitigated by having Cai and her own power structure in our favor. Moreover, she's a person who repays loyalty with loyalty by all appearances.

Ergo, even if Qi fucks up, Cai will be very likely to have her back for the sake of saving face if nothing else.

Because, in the chinese sense, the actions of ones subordinates reflect the actions of their lord. Which is where face comes into play. So unless Cai keeps us heavily restricted, tyrannically so, then your described scenario isn't capable of occurring. No, far more likely is that Cai will be called in to clean up our messes and follow our own lead simply to avoid losing face for risking the appearance of biting off more than she can chew.

And that is, once again, ignoring the fact that Cai actually happens to be eager to win over Qi, which itself implies a strong personal favoring of her on Cai's part. Making your hypothetical scenario of her constantly pulling rank on us completely unlikely at the very best.

If you wish to discuss politics with me, then I'm all ears. I'm quite well equipped for that discussion, I assure you.

I mean the few quasi-vassal relationships we have seen so far don't exactly suggest much room to make your own decisions - your lord leaves the conference/alliance, you leave too no question asked or order needed. Your lord makes an enemy, that somebody is no your enemy to and if you can you are supposed to hurt them. Hell, even the relationship between Han Jian and Fan Yu, which are supposed to be more like allies than anything else, makes it pretty clear that saying no to your boss isn't exactly done.
How much of Han Jian's personal situation is the result of his own anguish over having to do his best for the sake of those vassals, though?

If things were that straight forward, and there was no give and take, then Fan Yu would be alone and Xiulan would have gotten to be with the man that she wanted.

That apparently liked her back?

If Cai is invested in Qi's friends (which by all appearances she seems to at least be on the surface at this time) then someone who takes the idea of face and being a perfect leader as seriously as she does will also do her best to fulfill those kinds of expectations and responsibilities. But let's go ahead and set that oversimplification aside once again. You're looking things in a vacuum, which is fine if you're being academic, but ignoring relevant context makes for poor judgement

And all taht will be made worse by the fact that we are supposed not just some vassal but one of the "inner" circle of Cai, which means we would be even more tightly bond to her than normal.

That is in my opinion a massive reduction in freedom, be it responsibility or agency.
Let's ignore the fear-mongering.

And the explanation of consequences for freedom of action vs freedom of responsibility you brushed over for the sake of said fear mongering.

Fundamentally, on the mechanics side of things, taking a major action for the sake of acting on Cai's orders is no different from taking a major action for the sake of helping out a friend of ours.

Having CRX in our corner, in fact, actually makes that kind of simplification entirely possible for us to view those decisions under! Because Vassalage to CRX means that we have the fallout to those independent actions covered on the political side of things purely by virtue of them having to get past Cai in order to reach us in the first place.

If you want to become a wandering hobo that's ultimately fine, but keep in mind that that is the path which Yu Sing is ultimately pursuing.

And if that's how you want Qi to develop as a character that's also perfectly fine.

But let's not pretend that a spade isn't a spade. Fair?
 
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