- Location
- United States
I see it in terms of the context of our medicine and the loss of it after leaving red.
E: Geez terrible word choice before.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
E: Geez terrible word choice before.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
It's because we won't be able to use the Qi Foundaion Pill anymore, and I think we won't be able to use the tea anymore - I think Meizhen said she doesn't benefit from it anymore herself. Those two with the Sable pill let us make huge gains, so we want to use up our Qi Foundation pill and Sable pills together with tea. That means we don't want to break through until after then text tea turn, not this one, so that we can make some huge gains in our qi base before breaking through.
Breaking through without doing that sets us back by something like ten actions at a minimum - that is, the tea give one more virtual action, and the sable doubles all cultivation actions as long as their the right kind by giving a mirror qi cultivating roll. More if you could all the bonus dice we get from those pills - it gets closer to fifteen actions then, or three weeks of work.
SCS 2, FVM 2, 180 rolls for qi, peak red and peak gold, at least 1 more meridian open. I think we can get all that if we stay on track.
I'd like to do this during the truce instead of rushing for gold / yellow because after the truce ends, we won't be able to basically spend a week drugged up to the gills in the common areas. It's safer than the other way around.
I'd like to do this during the truce instead of rushing for gold / yellow because after the truce ends, we won't be able to basically spend a week drugged up to the gills in the common areas. It's safer than the other way around.
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- Location
- Vicksburg, MS
Huh. That's the crippling of our foundation that people are referring to? I don't know, I think we have pretty good meridian coverage with some even being blank presently and good qi for the moment. Auto-successes out the wazoo seem way more appealing than maximizing drug efficiency to me, but thanks for explaining.
This... may actually be a significant point. We know that most of the items from the second test were illusionary, (including clothes) to the point that only the gifts of the moon spirit and the tokens turned out to be real. There very well could be an actual point to the tokens, especially as the illusionary world was created by Jiao, head of the sect's talisman department.
@Karugus I'm sorry for misreading the tone of your post. However I don't agree with your premise that one moment of weakness will lead to an inevitable spiral of defeat. Having people who'll stand up for us is part of the point of having our allies. I also am not sure that breaking through will have the benifits you hope for. We know there are currently other yellow cultivators who I'm sure could still beat us who might ignore us at present. I think beginning to use our moon arts in the final days of the truce, as Ling Qi herself suggested in the update might actually be more effective at intimidating people. We're already known as a decent, though not exceptional combatant and pulling two new arts out right at the end of the truce might get people to significantly reevaluate their chances.
@TheLastOne I am interested in merging our two groups. I do however think it has the potential to backfire significantly and relying on Xiulan isn't the best idea as she can be bad with those she sees as lower status and Su Ling has issues with people looking down on her. I also really don't want it to come down to a prescence roll. If you come up with a way to deal with those issues I'd be very interested.
Edit: Inserted some missing words to complete a sentence.
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TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
I don't think talking to Gu Xiulan is that useful on it's own. It's bringing her and friend in with our allies that would make that a useful action. I am pro reveal our arts, so if you keep that part, and dump Gu Xiulan, I'll vote for it. I think you should switch cultivating Argent Soul with Spiritual Cultivation - I'm pretty sure we'll automatically have Argent Soul in class, but that's not a big deal.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I've actually been thinking of asking Han Jian and co whether Li Suyin/Su Ling could participate in our trainings together (and asking them if they want to of course), what do you think of that?
But, yeah, thinking more and more of not having an action for Gu Xuilan but one for FVM. This would mean getting both SCS2 and FVM2 on week 12, which is really nice.
- Location
- his hidden lair
- I don't think it's a certainty mind you, and I'm being deliberately pessimistic here- but I think the fact others will be willing to take advantage of any perceived weakness we present is just common sense.
- People who will stand up for us include; a pacifistic medic, an ostracized spirit blood people will look for an excuse to target, Han Jian's gang, and Meizhen. Allies might stand up for us, but we also have to stand up for them. No one has suggested a viable plan for how to help Su Ling and Li Suyin if we go heavy on arts and are put into a position where flight is the best call. Allies are useful, allies are helpful- but alliance is a two way street and we should never be depending on our alliances.
- I'm pretty most of the people who have already hit yellow/silver have little reason to gun for us. It's the entitled nobility who are nominally on our level or below it that really hold a grudge against us.
- For the third time, our arts are not super intimidating even if they are strong right now. We'll perform better but that's probably only going to be enough to push us into the upper third of Zhou's class- not set us apart as too strong to beat.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
I think that could work, though I'm a bit suspicious it will be harder then that to pull in Su Ling. I could see her coming to a class she paid something for, but one offered 'free?' She would want to know the catch.
Wouldn't we get FVM 2 anyway? Just put one training action, one tea action?
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I guess that depends how many meridians we want to open. I guess I was assuming we were opening 3 of them for gaining a lot of overflow for spiritual, but I guess we don't need that.
True, and the catch is trying to convince her to share the vent with them... which she should be able to guess, and not like. Mmh.
- Location
- scrabbling
I'm curious what Ling Qi intends to do to physically cultivate after lessons are over. She's never done any physical cultivation outside of class, after all, and just doing the same things as in class will stop working eventually. Will she just up intensity and length repeatedly? Is this something worth asking Elder Zhou about or will he dismiss it as stupid?
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
@Katreus Actually, the third Meridian action will give us 36 dices against 12 successes, so only around 8 successes... But a second FVM action, if we overflow into Spiritual Cultivation, would give us 46 against 15 successes, so 10 overflow on average.
So, huh, 3rd meridian is less optimal for overflow than Tea FVM + cultivate FVM. Yeah, my current plan let us get both SCS2 and FVM2 then. All good!
So, huh, 3rd meridian is less optimal for overflow than Tea FVM + cultivate FVM. Yeah, my current plan let us get both SCS2 and FVM2 then. All good!
@yrsillar hinted as a response to a question after this update that after the lessons end training with Han Jian will have the same effect as Elder Zhou lesson.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
That's why Land War in Not!Asia was about openly selling the idea. She would still be aggravated at first, but as long as they actually gave it a good shot at helping her train she would consider it payment in good faith, I think.
- Location
- Brazil
So, you are thinking for Week 12:
Qill Foundation
Gushing Spring
Cultivate in class - Lung?
-> Tea on that - Spine?
Cultivate on the Vent - SCS x2, FVM x2
I want to seriously maximize Spiritual overflow from Sable Light, if we aren't going Yellow by W12.
[X] Plan Prep
- [X] Resources: 2x Red Spirit Stones
- [X] Ask Han Jian and Gu Xiulan if they ever figured out what the tokens do
- [X] Cultivate on your own
--- [X] SCS
- [X] Talk to Han Jian, he did mention wanting to do some training
--- [X] Warn about Huang Da and his capabilities
--- [X] Ask to invite Su Ling and Li Suyin
--- [X] Reveal FVM and SCS
--- [X] Let them know that we're going to do heavy cultivation next week so we might be imitating a corpse doll
- [X] Go up to the vent to cultivate with Su Ling and Li Suyin
--- [X] Spiritual
--- [X] If Su Ling and Li Suyin don't know yet, update them on Huang Da's capabilities and actions (using vent while we're not there)
- [X] Try to puzzle out the tokens left from the test
Maybe this isn't the most optimal, but I want to start to move the two groups together enough that they'll be friendly acquaintances and I will go insane if these tokens are actually super helpful and we never knew it.
- [X] Resources: 2x Red Spirit Stones
- [X] Ask Han Jian and Gu Xiulan if they ever figured out what the tokens do
- [X] Cultivate on your own
--- [X] SCS
- [X] Talk to Han Jian, he did mention wanting to do some training
--- [X] Warn about Huang Da and his capabilities
--- [X] Ask to invite Su Ling and Li Suyin
--- [X] Reveal FVM and SCS
--- [X] Let them know that we're going to do heavy cultivation next week so we might be imitating a corpse doll
- [X] Go up to the vent to cultivate with Su Ling and Li Suyin
--- [X] Spiritual
--- [X] If Su Ling and Li Suyin don't know yet, update them on Huang Da's capabilities and actions (using vent while we're not there)
- [X] Try to puzzle out the tokens left from the test
Maybe this isn't the most optimal, but I want to start to move the two groups together enough that they'll be friendly acquaintances and I will go insane if these tokens are actually super helpful and we never knew it.
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- Location
- Brazil
Why not ask Han Jian and Gang if they figured out what the tokens do?
From what we've seen of Su Ling she doesn't like to simply be used or cheated. I'd be inclined to be straigforward with our goals here. So honestly my thoughts would be to just tell her. "We hang out with these guys, some of them are nice, a couple are assholes but they've been really helpful overall. I wanted to bring you together because I think we'll all get something out of it. I also want you to see if you like them and if so see about letting them know about the vent in exchange for something else as well. Them using it also means the creep gets to use it less, which helps all three of us."
EDIT: Hopefully this straightfoward approach would at least mitagate any damange for failure as we'd have been honest with our intentions and could back off if she disagrees.
In response to 2. our arts are actually quite good at helping out allies. ZB allows us to add to their clash pools for defense and FVM's bonuses can extend to allies (one at present but I wouldn't be surprised if it that improved with the art) which will be good for running away.
3. I disagree. With Elder Jiao's announcing our gain from the test could be worth more than an apprenticeship from him everyone will be interested. Sure it's possible that that interest might have faded, but I'd be willing to bet an early breakthrough might well rekindle that interest. I wouldn't bet on the current yellows/silvers leaving us alone after breakthrough.
4. I actually prefer to hide them for another week and try and build them before revealing them in the final week before the truce. But what I'm really counting on here would be the sheer shock of someone revealing two new arts right before the end of the truce, and a faint paranoia of "why is she revealing this now... does she have something even better in reserve." Plus as you said it would still take us into the upper ranks and therefore hopefully reduce the number of attacks we'd have to fend off. Thereby reducing the number of potential 'lucky hit' injuries we take.
EDIT 2. Finished sentence. Edited for clarity.
EDIT 3. Grammar.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I was actually thinking:
Cultivate in class: Lung or Heart, unsure
Tea on FVM
Cultivate on Vent: FVM
Cultivate: Spine or Heart, sunure
Cultivate SCSx2.
As Meridians on different actions that are different are full actions as far as I know, and FVM will give significant spiritual overflow on a Tea action.
Mmmh. This sounds solid. OK, I'll think about it a bit more, but I think I'll edit my plan accordingly.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
So conditionally on those changes, I'm switching my support.
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Wrong changes, no support.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
The changes are probably not what you want:
[X]2 Red Spirit Stone
[X]Qi Foundation Pill
-[X]Ask Su Ling and Li Siyun if they'd agree to come meet friends for training, explain it's a group of friend we'd want to coordinate alliance with and if the two of them approve later can invite them to the vent. As the Truce ends alliances are needed.
[X] Stop holding back in physical cultivation class
[X] Talk to Han Jian, he did mention wanting to do some training
-[X] Reveal SCS and FVM
-[X] Ask if you can invite friends over for training.
[X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan and ask for advice... she has to have some experience with unwanted... suitors, right?
[X] Go up to the vent to cultivate with Su Ling and Li Suyin
-[X] Art - Sable Crescent Step-
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[X]Argent Soul
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We won't need SCS x2 if we do a SCS this week.
Class - Heart Meridian
Cultivate on own - FVM, SCS, Wind
Tea - FVM
Cultivate on vent - Spine Meridian (or whatever)
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Yeah, not supporting that plan.
Why are you doing Argent Soul on your own when we're currently doing it in class, and with a extra big teacher bonus to boot?
Anyways, yeah, can't support a half-assing it plan, which this is another example of as is.