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My plan has the tome. It's attached to the vent.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
My plan has the tome. It's attached to the vent.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
@Thor: While i'm mostly unconcerned with ZB+/War and Meizhen shopping, the parts i dislike about 11 plan is:
-taking Meizhen in the stealth mission as i feel it should mostly be only a recon mission, with a speck of grab and dash. Imo the best scenario is not kicking everyone's ass and takingnames loot, but rather: sneak in, see whatever they are doing, hopefully get more info on whatever other secret bases they have and, maybe, grab a few shinny things. Oh, and sneak out without being detected. Meizhen isn't going to help in any of that.
-TRF seems like a better skill to train, the second skill has great and i can't wait for what 3rd step will give. Ling Qi needs the extra defense, and if it gives more party-wide def buffs all the better.
-Give AC to Li Suyin who doesn't really need it and already suffers from some strained self-respect issues in regards to Ling Qi AND is also going to get whatever is in the tome (while actually working and helping for that one)
-taking Meizhen in the stealth mission as i feel it should mostly be only a recon mission, with a speck of grab and dash. Imo the best scenario is not kicking everyone's ass and taking
-TRF seems like a better skill to train, the second skill has great and i can't wait for what 3rd step will give. Ling Qi needs the extra defense, and if it gives more party-wide def buffs all the better.
-Give AC to Li Suyin who doesn't really need it and already suffers from some strained self-respect issues in regards to Ling Qi AND is also going to get whatever is in the tome (while actually working and helping for that one)
Ah looks like I made a mistake. I'll have to fix that. In any case, updated the missions board a bit.
Why do we care about the Pale Tome? Frankly, Death doesn't sound like the sort of element I'd be exciting about cultivating, not to mention we already have more than enough arts to work with already.
Was the mistake that we need a 3rd Head Meridian, or that we manage to train the fourth reflection anyways?
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- Spain
Well we don't know for sure that it's a death art.
It may be his diary. Or a cookbook.
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TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
We've had this argument repeatedly at this point, but broad has been more rewarding them deep on the whole, so I fundamentally disagree.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Because it's less than a waste than AC or AM? We are getting AC3 simply by eightfold pill week, and we aren't sure we want AC4 yet. AM get us to AM4 by those same weeks.
Formation is a pure waste of time unless you have a real goal with us you are not sharing.
We are using Qi Sea Pill because we are training SCS and FVM this week, which won't ever happen until green again, so this is the only time, as far as we know, that we can ever get 2 extra Qi roll with the new pill we just got. We are getting FVM5 week 30 with eightfold pill week.
We are not using eightfold pill this week because we want to train SCS, and that would waste a slot. We could thereotically do eightfold pill this week and the other pill week 30, but we are hoping to have at least another action by week 30 open (either Zhengui or Moon quest) so we can use it with 5 arts.
AM4 is at 23/120. It is almost certainly going to max at 4 considering FVM maxes at 120. If we train AM with Elder Jiao week 30, then with friends another week for the other eightfold pill, this means getting 108+82=190 dice, so 104,5 successes. Considering that week 31 (earliest week we can do it) will have another -20 to AM or so (we might switch to AC depending), this alone will get us AM4, maxxing it.
- Location
- United States of America
And I will answer your concerns to the best that I can!
1). It is a misconception that taking Meizhen makes the mission a smash and grab. @yrsillar has said that Meizhen is capable of being sneaky and the mission may not devolve into a smash and grab. It will be significantly harder, but with the reroll and the additions to stealth that we have (especially with breaking through formations), it should be quite possible. The problem with going alone is that there is no guarantee that we will succeed. We have a great shot at it, but we don't have a guarantee. While other people may think that we can take on 15 people in the middle of their fortified base should things go south, I'm not so confident on that one. In that regard, taking Meizhen is making the mission harder, but having an additional back up should the mission fail. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
2). I agree TRF is the better skill to learn. Learning TRF now, however, offers no synergies at all. Training TRF won't get us additional qi, additional successes on spiritual cultivation. The secondary benefit of increasing a skill is lacking as well. Also, the pills used for training TRF don't synergize with anything else at all, which means that the cost of the pills is not mitigated by anything. Admittedly, we have done that before as TRF is an odd one to train for us. However, training TRF now doesn't increase our defenses now, but it will later. If we are going to spend a whole bunch on pills though, we want as much synergy as possible to make the pills do as much as possible.
As for needing defense, I don't agree with you there. We don't need additional defense right now, as demonstrated by Su Ling hitting "a mountain." This past week our defenses have risen exponentially in their usefulness with TRF getting all instants and AM getting a nasty counterattack technique, which is also an instant. Formless shadow became an instant and grants a perfect defense as well, which is just amazing. All in all, we will be leveling up TRF, but that doesn't mean we need to level it up now.
3). Giving AC to Li Suyin. This is a bit of a tricky one to explain, and if people really don't want to give it to her (which is weird as people were complaining about us not sharing stuff before) then I guess I can get rid of it, but there are valid narrative and emotional reasons to give it to her. We are asking for her help in translating a pretty sketchy text. Since we are asking for her help, it makes sense to give a gift in order to sweeten the deal (as well as make it seem as if we are not begging for her help but are equals willing to exchange things, an illusion to the real reason, but still).
Then why give it to Su Ling then? Well, we actually want to give it to Su Ling rather than Li Suyin. However, we don't want to make it seem like we are forcing her to choose the path. So for this, we coach it as a gift of thanks for coming to our rescue a couple of weeks ago. In that light, we also need to give something to Li Suyin, as she came as well. The giving of AC to both of them fulfills that role. Note: we know that we are giving it to Su Ling because she wants a melee art, but we can't tell her that so we need a different reason.
Su Ling is a Early Yellow cultivator; we get two auto-successes against her. Our actual opponents right now are Early Green cultivators, who get two auto-successes against is. Using the former to judge the latter is a great way to get stabbed.
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- United States of America
That is only if we are planning on fighting an early green opponent in the next couple of weeks, without backup. Our defenses will be improved, but they don't need to be improved right this moment. They are perfectly sufficient for people who will be coming specifically after us (the mooks of Sun Liling, the mooks of Yan Renshu, or the mooks of Chu Song). None of the three greens who are the "major opponents" have the opportunity to come out and attack us right now because if they did, they would open up the opportunity for counter attacks and give away locations and resources without significant gain. If they did come and attack us, we can just run away, especially with SC being usable in the light.
Our defenses are more than sufficient for dealing with the yellows we will likely be facing for the near future. We will still receive damage (probably) but hitting us is going to be a challenge even for late yellows.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
1)Rather than aiming for what happens in the worse case (Ling Qi fails her sneaking) and adding difficulty to that same roll (by Meizhen own roll), i'd rather aim for the best result.
2) Ling Qi being almost bitten in half makes me disagree on the defense part. Su ling is what, middle yellow ? with no fighting art. Hardly a reference for decent foe.
TRF pill synergy is not really relevant as it'll still be the case whenever we train it; Taking the small training hit now, or in 2+ weeks is mostly the same, but it gives a better skill to use right now. I guess you can consider it kind of a trade for #1: better skill to have under Ling Qi in the off case she needs to flee/fight.
3) I think people were complaining for two reasons: one, not remembering Li Suyin doesn't want to feel even more indebted to Ling Qi (if anything she wants to give stuff to Ling Qi), two, the Pale Book Minor action and the sub-vote of sharing whatever it's in it with her. Having her help is a true exchange as both Li Suyin and Ling Qi both benefit from her work.
Overall it's much better to have Li Suyin work a bit for her gift and at least feel like she's useful for once, rather than receiving an other major gift. Much better for her ego if nothing else.
About Su Ling (damn those near identical names !), i think making it a fair exchange is Su Ling's problem. She will have to find something she can do for Ling Qi. We can propose stuff (like taking care of Zhengui for a week ? to free the Major action. Maybe that pill furnace is useful ? maybe help in training illusions?), but i think she should be treated as a (friendly) adult and let her come up with her own solution to her own problems (namely her wanting not to feel indebted).
2) Ling Qi being almost bitten in half makes me disagree on the defense part. Su ling is what, middle yellow ? with no fighting art. Hardly a reference for decent foe.
TRF pill synergy is not really relevant as it'll still be the case whenever we train it; Taking the small training hit now, or in 2+ weeks is mostly the same, but it gives a better skill to use right now. I guess you can consider it kind of a trade for #1: better skill to have under Ling Qi in the off case she needs to flee/fight.
3) I think people were complaining for two reasons: one, not remembering Li Suyin doesn't want to feel even more indebted to Ling Qi (if anything she wants to give stuff to Ling Qi), two, the Pale Book Minor action and the sub-vote of sharing whatever it's in it with her. Having her help is a true exchange as both Li Suyin and Ling Qi both benefit from her work.
Overall it's much better to have Li Suyin work a bit for her gift and at least feel like she's useful for once, rather than receiving an other major gift. Much better for her ego if nothing else.
About Su Ling (damn those near identical names !), i think making it a fair exchange is Su Ling's problem. She will have to find something she can do for Ling Qi. We can propose stuff (like taking care of Zhengui for a week ? to free the Major action. Maybe that pill furnace is useful ? maybe help in training illusions?), but i think she should be treated as a (friendly) adult and let her come up with her own solution to her own problems (namely her wanting not to feel indebted).
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
While I prefer TRF to FSA, @Thor's Twin 's plan has us using Skyblood Elixir, which works really well with Wind arts or Heaven art, and TRF is not such a huge priority compared to one action of FSA that it's such a bad idea.
My main issue is that I'm not sure we won't max FSA with eightfold pills, and as such this might be a wasted action.
My main issue is that I'm not sure we won't max FSA with eightfold pills, and as such this might be a wasted action.
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- United States of America
That depends entirely on how far we want to take FSA. We are only on the 3 stage, working on the fourth stage. We know that there is a fifth stage. The chances of maxing out FSA with this action and 8fold paths are slim, and that is if we are bringing FSA to its full level.
There are also concerns about not having enough actions to do a full 8fold path pill week. If that is the case (especially if the Yan Ranshu art has water in it) then the possible arts we could train are: ZB+, FVM, AC, AM, and Yan Renshu art. That's five actions which fills up a week very nicely. If we want the sixth action then we can add FSA, (or if Yan Ranshu art doesn't have water). All in all, maxing out FSA is probably not going to happen if we are careful.
- Location
- Brazil
All overflow still goes into Qi, so what's the matter?
Picking up FSA+, now that would be a good use of an Archive action.
Picking up FSA+, now that would be a good use of an Archive action.
[X]Plan Plumb the Darkness
I guess I'll switch to this for now. At least it doesn't have ZB+, and I did promise to never vote for a plan with that.
I guess I'll switch to this for now. At least it doesn't have ZB+, and I did promise to never vote for a plan with that.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Yes, it's not a big deal if we don't use eightfold for FSA, though there is a lot of arts that are teetering on that edge. We can only use FVM once with it, and we might not want to use it on AM a second time, and so on.
Anyway, we are at 6/50 for FSA4 (@yrsillar really should change it), and ??? for FSA5. Training it on Eightolf pill week should get us Talent 6 + Element 1 + Stone 30 + Pills 21 + Site 5 + Eightfold 21 + friends 3 = 87 dice twice, so 174, so ~~ 95 successes. This would take us to 50/X. If the X is 70, training it once would max it but just around 10 overflow, which isn't bad. I... guess training it shouldn't make us waste an action then.
Huh, don't recall such a promise, but surprised ZB+ is more of a dealbreaker than no Zhengui.
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- UK
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Reasons for giving AC to Suyin are as payment for help? She already feels indebted to us, increasing that debt just when she has a chance to pay it off wouldn't help. We don't even have a reason to believe she'd want it...
Su Ling we ought to give it to because she's stated she wants a melee art, is fire inclined, has no teacher or friends who've been offerring her arts and is already struggling to pay for what she has. Also, the fact that we don't seem to be offering anything from the bag we grabbed while on a mission with her while Suyin will be learning from a book it contained makes AC a decent payment for that.
Back to the idea that we'd need to pay Suyin for saving us, she explicitly referenced how much she owed us and then there's the fact that receiving AM already made her uncomfortable, so why add to it?
These look really cool though. Storm spirits sound interesting, as does seeing the sect mounts and the forest one should be a fun little adventure!
[X] Plan everything and sharing
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
@Thor's Twin not sure I see the point in using Skyblood right now though. While the odds of not training both FSA and ZB+ for both eightfold pill are not low, that's another 40 dice to wind/heaven that don't have 1/4th to Qi for no reason without even trying to put them there.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Added pills.
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- Oymyakon
[X] Plan everything and sharing
Still a little torn between Xuan Shi and GF group, but I do feel like we owe the guy/might get some bonuses if we help him out here. And GF will still be there next week I'm pretty sure, as we've seen no sign that it's urgent like Yrs has hinted before (RIP Su Ling's tail).
ZB+ is never going to look particularly attractive to me, but at least getting it from the archive and elder training in one action will likely level it very quickly. And War, while rare, does not seem like something we are going to need for a while. Have we even seen a check where it contributed? Or is it just something we want to have up a decent bit before we head to the military in a year and a half? Asking from my own ignorance and to see if there's something more immediately applicable that we might want the Elder to focus on for training.
Still a little torn between Xuan Shi and GF group, but I do feel like we owe the guy/might get some bonuses if we help him out here. And GF will still be there next week I'm pretty sure, as we've seen no sign that it's urgent like Yrs has hinted before (RIP Su Ling's tail).
ZB+ is never going to look particularly attractive to me, but at least getting it from the archive and elder training in one action will likely level it very quickly. And War, while rare, does not seem like something we are going to need for a while. Have we even seen a check where it contributed? Or is it just something we want to have up a decent bit before we head to the military in a year and a half? Asking from my own ignorance and to see if there's something more immediately applicable that we might want the Elder to focus on for training.