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Motile Mollusc said:
Su Ling's share was the brat she picked up in the shaman's lair. :p
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Do you think he'll turn into a typical wuxia protag ?
With the curse/sickness unlocking his deep potential and Su Ling acting as his teacher. I can forsee her getting into plenty of trouble as he goes around offending every arrogant two-bit "young master" around XD
And grabbing every frieking treasure that's ever remotely mentioned!
 
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Dieb said:
Qi Sea basically gives us 50% more dice for Qi (since we should succeed on about 50% of our rolls). So a Qi Sea Pill for two Qi rolls basically buys us an extra Qi roll. That's totally worth 25 red stones.
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You make a compelling argument. Note, that I don't like it, but I can't really refute it.

Sigh... I guess I can make my plan spend more money.

With the new information regarding ZB+ and how that will work, I'm thinking of changing my plan yet again.

It's time, to get a little crazy.
 
@yrsillar, is this plan valid? Attacking the Suyin/book minor to the vent?

[X] Plan everything and sharing
-[X] Resources: 3 RS, 1 YS, 1 qi expansion pill (2), basic wind/water/wood pills (6), 2nd level wind/wood pills (12), 1 Flowing Rivers Pill 1 Black Ichor Elixir, 1 sturdy oak pill (18), 1 steady growth pill (8), 1 Qi Sea Pill (25). Total = 1 YS, 80 RS
-[X]Major actions
-[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
-[X] Train with Elder Jiao (LOCKED)
--[X] Larceny
---[X] SCS
--[X] War
---[x] ZB+ (grab from archive)
-[X] Train with Zeqing
-[X] Infiltrate Yan Renshu's hideout
--[X] Do it on your own.
---[X] But tell Meizhen where we're going, so if we don't back she knows where to drop the hammer
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] TRF
--[X] Share AC with Su Ling
--[X] You haven't had much time for Li Suyin lately, and you have a mysterious tome, maybe the two of you could work on deciphering it?
---[X] Share the contents with Li Suyin
-[x]Minor Actions
--[X] Xuan Shi seems to be busy setting something up at the council meeting pavilion, perhaps you could help him out?
--[X] Meizhen is going out shopping for something at the market, though she hasn't mentioned what. Tag along?
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Yeah suyin to the vent is fine, since that is their hangout spot.

Anyway front page is updated. I'm gonna finally go put up new missions a bit later too, once I've had lunch.
 
-[] Resources: 3 RS, 1 YS, 1 qi expansion pill (2), basic wind/water/wood pills (6), 2nd level wind/wood pills (12), 1 Flowing Rivers Pill 1 Black Ichor Elixir, 1 sturdy oak pill (18), 1 steady growth pill (8), 1 Qi Sea Pill (25). Total = 1 YS, 80 RS

In Inventory:
2 Qi Expansion pills
1 Black Ichor Elixir

Shop:
basic wind/water/wood - 6 red stones
2nd level wind/water/wood - 18 red stones
Sturdy oak + Steady growth - 8 + 18 = 26 red stones
Qi Sea Pill - 25 Red Stones

I just realised this plan spends 78 red stones, and we only have 73 (updated front page, and you have us buying a qi expansion pill when we already own 2).
@Broken25 basically we either need to remove some drugs, or exchange yellow stones for red (I think the exchange rate was 10 to 1?)
Also, why only use 1 Yellow Stone? Why not 3?
 
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Karnax626 said:
-[X] Resources: 3 RS, 1 YS, 1 qi expansion pill (2), basic wind/water/wood pills (6), 2nd level wind/wood pills (12), 1 Flowing Rivers Pill 1 Black Ichor Elixir, 1 sturdy oak pill (18), 1 steady growth pill (8), 1 Qi Sea Pill (25). Total = 1 YS, 80 RS

In Inventory:
2 Qi Expansion pills
1 Black Ichor Elixir

Shop:
basic wind/water/wood - 6 red stones
2nd level wind/water/wood - 18 red stones
Sturdy oak + Steady growth - 8 + 18 = 26 red stones
Qi Sea Pill - 25 Red Stones

I just realised this plan spends 78 red stones, and we only have 73 (updated front page, and you have us buying a qi expansion pill when we already own 2).
@Broken25 basically we either need to remove some drugs, or exchange yellow stones for red (I think the exchange rate was 10 to 1?)
Also, why only use 1 Yellow Stone? Why not 3?
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Because we get free "virtual" Yellow Stones from various effects.
 
@yrsillar, can you confirm that AM4 need a 4th meridian (1spine, 3head)? This seems to be what the character sheet and last update says, but if so I don't understand how we could have been training it, considering we only have 2 head meridian opened.
 
Alright!

So, what is my plan? My plan is "Mountain's 11" What does it do? It does all the things.

Here is the basic premise of my plan. We want to get ZB+ from the archives (it cost's an elder's training action, but that means we get a big bonus to training it which hopefully means we get to open it up right away and use the dang thing). The question remains, how can we get the most out of getting ZB+ training with an elder because I will admit, that is a pretty boring use of an Elder's time. The answer, use one of the fancy new drugs we got, combined with the regular drugs at the market to get a whole lot of extra dice. The problem then becomes that we don't want to spend all that money on only one action, so instead, we spread it out among two actions.

Furthermore, Meizhen might not be the best at stealth, that is true. But, I would still like to bring her along so that she can see what we are capable of doing, and as back up for when the mission goes wrong (plan for the worse prepare for the best). I do not want to get stuck down there without backup and Meizhen is going to be a literal monster to fight, so we have good odds of getting back out again.

My plan offers A) synergy with Wind arts, B) a harder stealth mission, but with better fall back options, C) the giving of AC to Su Ling and Li Suyin, and D) figuring out what is going on with Han Jian and co.
 
Thor's Twin said:
the giving of AC to Su Ling and Li Suyin,
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Any chance you can be convinced to just offer it to Su Ling? :p

Since Suyin is already getting more from the Shaman Bag than Su Ling, when Su went on the mission with us. Su Ling also has good reason to be offerred it since she has an interest in fire, specifically wants a melee art and wants to move away from her current skillset but is having trouble affording it.

Suyin on the other hand, has someone giving her arts, is less interested in melee and is already struggling with the pedastal she's placed Ling Qi on. I can't imagine how us giving he another art will at all help her but I could see it cheapening the offer to Su Ling if we call it payment for her share of the bag and making Suyin feel more indebted.

Also, Suyin already felt uncomfortable with just the offer of AM.
 
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Broken25 said:
Anyway, i changed to plan to use a Qi sea pill from inventory:
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Alright, minor corrections to your pill list.

We do know the name of the first and second level water pills: Gushing Spring Pill and Flowing Rivers Pill.

We also know the 1st and 2nd level of the wind pills: Clear Wind Pill and White Hart Elixir.

Of those, we only have a "Clear Wind Pill" from our inventory. We also have a "Qi Expansion Pill" in our inventory as well.

That being said, my calculations have you being at 76 Red Stones spent.

Gushing spring pill (2), Flowing Rivers Pill (6), White Hart Elixir (6), 1st level Wood pill (2), 2nd Level wood Pill (6), 1 Steady Growth Pill (8), 1 Sturdy Oak Pill (18), 1 Qi Sea Pill (25) = 73 red stones. Add in 3 for the red stone use and you get 76.
 
Arkeus said:
Wait wait. @TheLastOne your plan doesn't have Zhengui. Is that on purpose?

Because I was thinking 'Mmmh, this plan is the only one with Shaman Bag', but if it doesn't have Zhengui major action it's basically a non-starter for me. What's your reasoning for not having him?
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He's big enough that we don't need to do that action every week at this point, and we simply can't do everything we want this week. I mean, what do we drop? Training with Su Ling when she's in a bad space and sort of needs us? Training with a spirit that KNEW the author of the technique we're using? Going after our Moon Mission? Training with Meizhen?

If next week is as busy as this, I would drop Meizhen to train with Zhengui, but he's big enough it doesn't have to be a lock in.

TotallyNotEvil said:
@TheLastOne Wouldn't you drop Xuan Shi for Meizhen Minor?
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He's given us a great deal of help at this point. I don't want to snub someone we might go to help again, so we need to do something for him soonish, honestly.

TotallyNotEvil said:
I think @TheLastOne simply forgot it, as he is one short.
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No, the lock in-costs us a minor and a major, so we only have two minor actions.

TotallyNotEvil said:
Can you explicitly let her in on it?

Otherwise, sounds like the perfect Plan:
[X]Plan Plumb the Darkness
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Sure.



I'll get to adding medicine and stones to my plan in a couple of hours, as I have to work right now.
 
@Thor's Twin two ponts: 1) Why train war with the elder famed for his formations? Ling Qi is a complete novice in tactics and could just as well pick up the knowledge by asking Han Jian, or Gan Guangli or browsing in the library. I am also guessing that not all Elder teaching benefits are equal and training formations under the formation expert is more rewarding (Besides I also suspect that it's harder to train skills as Ling Qi grows more proficient in it).

2) I am super wary about just giving Su Ling and Li Suyin the art without consulting Xiulan first, she will probably agree if Ling asks but she already said that she disliked Ling Qi going behind her back at the start of the Dark Dreams arc. Can't Ling just ask her in the Han Jian minor?
 
Okay. I am a bit confused right now.

1) There was talk about getting the Qi Sea pill because we were getting two Qi expansion rolls. Where are we getting those rolls from?
2) What seems to be the consensus on the Eightfold Path pill? Why aren't we using it this week?
 
PrimalShadow said:
Okay. I am a bit confused right now.

1) There was talk about getting the Qi Sea pill because we were getting two Qi expansion rolls. Where are we getting those rolls from?
2) What seems to be the consensus on the Eightfold Path pill? Why aren't we using it this week?
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If we proc qi rolls by using our new pill, we would get two rolls. However, I'm probably not going to have that in my plan, as I expect the Pale Tome has a Death technique, and the shaman had high quality techniques.
 
Why the hell are people voting to learn ZB+ with Jaio in addition to SCS, rather than AM or AC or TRF or Formations?

[X]Plan Plumb the Darkness
 
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PrimalShadow said:
Okay. I am a bit confused right now.

1) There was talk about getting the Qi Sea pill because we were getting two Qi expansion rolls. Where are we getting those rolls from?
2) What seems to be the consensus on the Eightfold Path pill? Why aren't we using it this week?
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The darkness elixir we got from the shaman bag gives us a Qi roll for every darkness art we train (in this case FVM and SCS). Waiting to open the last bag was shelved as we would have to train that potential new art the same turn as FVM and SCS, which was deemed unlikely for some reason. Plus there's a chance whatever we get from the bag can't be used with the elixir.

Eightfold pill I think people were waiting to open meridians?
 
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Thor's Twin said:
Alright, new posted plan!
[X] Plan Mountain's 11
[X] Resources: 3 red stones, 1 yellow stone, 1 qi expansion pill, 1 White Hart Elixir, 1 Soaring Sky Elixir, 1 Black Ichor Elixir, 1 sturdy oak pill, 1 steady growth pill, 1 Qi Sea Pill, 1 Skyblood elixir, 1 clear wind pill, 1 Bright sky pill. (1 yellow stone, 68 red stones)
Major actions
[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
[X] Train with Elder jiao (LOCKED)
-[X] SCS
--[X] Larceny
-[X] ZB+
--[X] War
--[X] Spend the 20 sect points required to get it
[X] Train with Zeqing
[X] Infiltrate Yan Renshu's hideout
-[X] Ask Meizhen to back you up
[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
-[X] Falling Star Art
-[X] You haven't had much time for Li Suyin lately, and you have a mysterious tome, maybe the two of you could work on deciphering it?
--[X] Give Argent Current to Su Ling and Li Suyin
Minor Actions
[X] Have a chat with Han Jian, it has been some time since you trained together, see what is occupying him
[X] Meizhen is going out shopping for something at the market, though she hasn't mentioned what. Tag along?



I'm going, to be honest, I really don't want to use a Qi Sea Pill right now with only 2 qi rolls. That thing costs 25 red stones, and I would much rather save those 25 red stones for later.

Edit: It's time to learn our wind arts. The new focus of Plan "Mountain's 11" is to use the Elder's tutoring, plus the sky blood elixir to get a huge boost on ZB+'s training. Twist the use of those pills for FSA.

Edit: fixed red stone count.
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@Thor's Twin

If you want the tally to pick that up correctly it should be:
[X] Plan Mountain's 11
-[X] Resources: 3 red stones, 1 yellow stone, 1 qi expansion pill, 1 White Hart Elixir, 1 Soaring Sky Elixir, 1 Black Ichor Elixir, 1 sturdy oak pill, 1 steady growth pill, 1 Qi Sea Pill, 1 Skyblood elixir, 1 clear wind pill, 1 Bright sky pill. (1 yellow stone, 68 red stones)
Major actions
-[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
-[X] Train with Elder jiao (LOCKED)
--[X] SCS
---[X] Larceny
--[X] ZB+
---[X] War
---[X] Spend the 20 sect points required to get it
-[X] Train with Zeqing
-[X] Infiltrate Yan Renshu's hideout
--[X] Ask Meizhen to back you up
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[X] Falling Star Art
--[X] You haven't had much time for Li Suyin lately, and you have a mysterious tome, maybe the two of you could work on deciphering it?
---[X] Give Argent Current to Su Ling and Li Suyin
Minor Actions
-[X] Have a chat with Han Jian, it has been some time since you trained together, see what is occupying him
-[X] Meizhen is going out shopping for something at the market, though she hasn't mentioned what. Tag along?
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