Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

He spent like a year with Ashia in super computer space and has talked to her about his issues. Joe has barely interacted with Taylor.

Why would he trust Taylor more than her???????

Joe knows Aisha for over a year and has implicitly trusted her with not being a dumbass and revealing his secret identity without his permission.

She then proceeds to do exactly that.

Meanwhile, the amount of trepidation and fear he has for every single one of Taylor's actions is wildly contrasted against his cavalier attitude with Aisha's dumb decision. He gives Aisha reality-warping power and expects just a minimal amount of responsibility from her, a threshold she cannot meet.

Why exactly is he always paranoid about what Taylor might do as opposed to what Aisha keeps doing?
 
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Joe is way more trusting of Aisha than he is of Taylor, despite Aisha being much more of a fuck up and idiot, as this latest escapade shows. She's not so much threatening Joe's identity here, given his capabilities, but rather showing her own disregard for his desire for privacy once again.

Then again, without his hypocrisy and rush to judge people, we wouldn't have the doormat we all hate to love and love to hate.
I think that's because Aisha has grown up. She has shown a massive amount of maturity, obviously. Given that she has spent years with Joe and the rest of the Forge. They all are basically a family. In comparison, Taylor is...Joe's ward. There is none of the maturity, none of the actual time spent together, and no demonstrations that she is ready for the full package.
 
Joe knows Aisha for over a year and has implicitly trusted her with not being a dumbass and revealing his secret identity without his permission.

She then proceeds to do exactly that.
Reveal his identity to fucking who? Brian? Brian already knew. He's known since more or less forever. Like seriously, what're you getting at here?
 
they just knew what worked and couldn't risk varying form that.
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Aisha's lined up for Arcadis this fall.
Arcadia
Thought she would have told you, but she'd be big on deniability as well, and the whole 'need to know' thing.
"she's been big" makes a lot more sense to me
She shook her head. "Is there, like, a word for looking back at your past actions and being pissed off at how stupid you were while also having no idea how to deal with the consequences of the bad decisions that you only became aware of when it was too late?"

I smiled at that. "Most people call it growing up."

Aisha looked up at me with an expression of surprise that quickly shifted into a grimace of pure horror. "No, seriously, no."

I shrugged. "Sorry, I don't make the rules. Welcome to maturity, where you're aware of all your mistakes just slightly too late to avoid having to deal with the consequences of them."

"Argh!" Aisha exclaimed. "First you make me a nerd, and now I have to be an adult? That's not fair! None of this is fair."

"You get used to it." I said.

"Really?" She asked in a flat voice.

"No." I said honestly.
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Brian stepped. Was trying to get custody.
"Brian stepped in" makes more sense to me
Brian seemed to be desperately trying to explain something to Vince while the other boy just nodded absently.
Boy? It may be my increasing crap memory, but I would have expected man there.
 
Joe is way more trusting of Aisha than he is of Taylor, despite Aisha being much more of a fuck up and idiot, as this latest escapade shows. She's not so much threatening Joe's identity here, given his capabilities, but rather showing her own disregard for his desire for privacy once again.

Then again, without his hypocrisy and rush to judge people, we wouldn't have the doormat we all hate to love and love to hate.
Or, perhaps, as Joe and Aisha just talked about this chapter, this was an old fuck up of Aisha that she had no idea on how to fix except doing things like this, and that's why Aisha and Joe acknowledge it first before talking about how Aisha feels over her past mistakes. Then when Aisha repents about it, Joe calls it maturity.

Meanwhile Taylor literally goes for the kill-options when she thinks she can get away with it. Joe was worried that even giving her armor to protect herself would be enough for her to abuse it to become an even bigger threat, and she did just that. Joe's mistrust of Taylor is not only reasonable, it's also straight up just a valid concern if Taylor's response to a defensive item is "But how much can I escalate this?"
Why exactly is he always paranoid about what Taylor might do as opposed to what Aisha keeps doing?
Because Taylor has no concept of "measured response" while Aisha has had years of training and Joe knows he can talk her down a lot of things without having to wonder if there are miscommunications involved. Because Aisha is his friend, while Taylor is a massive, multiworld responsibility who when he attempted to communicate his concerns to on what he needs Taylor for, instead of listening Taylor went "Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about!"

Joe's feelings about Taylor is less about mutual respect and more about pity, concern, and a healthy dose of caution.
 
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Or, perhaps, as Joe and Aisha just talked about this chapter, this was an old fuck up of Aisha that she had no idea on how to fix except doing things like this, and that's why Aisha and Joe acknowledge it first before talking about how Aisha feels over her past mistakes. Then when Aisha repents about it, Joe calls it maturity.

I feel like it would've been more mature of her to warn him before Brian walked in and made it an unavoidable situation, but that's certainly expecting too much maturity of Aisha.
 
I feel like it would've been more mature of her to warn him before Brian walked in and made it an unavoidable situation, but that's certainly expecting too much maturity of Aisha.
Because like it or not, she is still a preteen in a lot of ways and that's the perspective Joe is looking at. This is something that he can understand as an old terrible joke that Aisha has feared for a long time, because it has gone past the point of being funny and like many teenagers (and even older people) she couldn't find the courage to talk about it. But she did try to at least set things up to reveal things in a much less dramatic fashion than, say, Grue finding out after the Celestial Forge killed the Slaughterhouse Nine, or god forbid, during.

Aisha has made a lot of progress but she's not perfect - and Joe knows that fully well so he's willing to be more sympathetic about it.
11k... and no new Perk?
Point shadow, most likely.
 
Unfortunately, there was no way to tell how deep the rabbit hole went when it came to Jack's influence. It would be nice to think that rooting out this one effect would result in all the major issues of the world resolving themselves, but that was beyond optimistic. Jack's passenger could only affect parahumans, so the influence was naturally limited. Still, it was limited to only the most prominent people in the world. You didn't need to be a genius to see how the effect of that power would spread beyond the people being directly targeted.

yeah given how stuff happen i can see the entire world retroactively giving jack massive priority as the most important villain in the world after he dies, as every single parahuman suddenly starts thinking more clearly

heck if his shard is destroyed you could maybe argue that a large portion of parahumans conflict drive was directed by broadcast

I was beyond done with the Nine and their end couldn't come soon enough

feel the authorial intent behind this

and not just because I'm pretty sure Garment would want to repeat her performance on the hood of the car.

Aw man i missed the NSFW interlude

...man this sounds way more fun then what it actually was


"Lord knows this city was due for them."

lord does know indeed

It's been 120 chapters since Joe has gotten into combat. I have faith the buildup is going to be worth it, but it's literally been almost three years.

maximum edging, it literally has been happening since before the term existed
 
It's been 120 chapters since Joe has gotten into combat. I have faith the buildup is going to be worth it, but it's literally been almost three years.

Um... I don't exactly expect a fight with Jack Slash and crew. "How come Superman doesn't fight middle-school bullies?" Well, because there's a bit of a power and threat differential. Joe's challenges are not "How do I kill Hitler?" but rather "How do I undo all the evils that Hitler has caused over his lifespan, without actually rewinding time?" Order-of-magnitude doesn't begin to describe the difference in those two tasks.

Joe has long since passed into the realm of lesser godhood, in terms of the impact he can have on the world. His early fumblings included Lung, Weld, Panacea, and Bakuda. After a bit of leveling up and maturing, Joe has been much more deliberate and thoughtful in his interactions with Uppercrust and Gully, and those interactions have been much less like those of a mortal, random genius, or even parahuman miracle worker. Instead, he's been akin to a benevolent god or genie, or a random visitor from the Q continuum. Hop over to a Star Trek forum and ask, "Why doesn't Q get into fist fights with Wesley?"

I do look forward to some epic scenes in the S9 fight chapter, but I expect they will be on the order of "This beetle represents the S9. This speeding car represents Joe. Now let's watch the windshield fight that's about to occur."
 
Um... I don't exactly expect a fight with Jack Slash and crew. "How come Superman doesn't fight middle-school bullies?" Well, because there's a bit of a power and threat differential. Joe's challenges are not "How do I kill Hitler?" but rather "How do I undo all the evils that Hitler has caused over his lifespan, without actually rewinding time?" Order-of-magnitude doesn't begin to describe the difference in those two tasks.

Joe has long since passed into the realm of lesser godhood, in terms of the impact he can have on the world. His early fumblings included Lung, Weld, Panacea, and Bakuda. After a bit of leveling up and maturing, Joe has been much more deliberate and thoughtful in his interactions with Uppercrust and Gully, and those interactions have been much less like those of a mortal, random genius, or even parahuman miracle worker. Instead, he's been akin to a benevolent god or genie, or a random visitor from the Q continuum. Hop over to a Star Trek forum and ask, "Why doesn't Q get into fist fights with Wesley?"

I do look forward to some epic scenes in the S9 fight chapter, but I expect they will be on the order of "This beetle represents the S9. This speeding car represents Joe. Now let's watch the windshield fight that's about to occur."
Personally, I think the buildup is for more than just the S9. There are way too many key players in the Bay with powers that, while no longer critically dangerous, are more so than your average cape. Lord has demonstrated the ability to pull together canon villains into credible threats and I don't think that's entirely off the table yet. Obviously he'd win, but I think we might still get some surprises. We've got a lot cooking:

1. Victor (with Bastard Son and Gesselschaft support) + Alchemy
2. Butcher
3. Remnants of ABB (Leet, Bakuda, zombie Marche)
4. Merchants + Scrub
5. E88 + Damsel
6. S9
7. Dragonslayers
8. Travelers and Noelle

I'm sure not all of these will be relevant, but at a glance we've got an "alignment shifting" cloner, two to three hostile annihilator capes, a gestalt power network, and probably a jank transmutation process.

IMO, Joe uses "just enough" force to solve a problem. If you looked at the perks he had in earlier chapters at a surface level, it's hard to argue that he shouldn't have curbstomped. But it's been established how he wins is almost as important as winning since he actually cares about society functioning afterward. He could make a mistake by not using the appropriate amount of force or having his hands tied by having to navigate through too many variables at once requiring opposing levels of escalation or trade-offs.

He's too powerful to be in danger, but a lot of things that drive his character still are. I think that's why the more recent chapters have elaborated on his love for the city and the importance of certain non-Forge capes for the coming apocalypse. The author knows the type of conflict needs to shift to keep the momentum of the story.
 
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Out of the entire Celestial Forge, I enjoy Joe's and Aisha's interactions the most.

I could literally feel the bemusement from the both of them at the end
 
Joe knows Aisha for over a year and has implicitly trusted her with not being a dumbass and revealing his secret identity without his permission.

She then proceeds to do exactly that.

Meanwhile, the amount of trepidation and fear he has for every single one of Taylor's actions is wildly contrasted against his cavalier attitude with Aisha's dumb decision. He gives Aisha reality-warping power and expects just a minimal amount of responsibility from her, a threshold she cannot meet.

Why exactly is he always paranoid about what Taylor might do as opposed to what Aisha keeps doing?
Also, Taylor has done something that Joe would consider worse than what Aisha has done.

Aisha hid her own idenity as Lethe from Brian and didn't warn him about Joe. Causing some problems down the line but not a huge deal. Brian already knows his identity and Aisha knew this - what Brian didn't know was Aisha's idenitity, and what Joe didn't know is Aisha's relationship with Brian.

Taylor carved up a kid with the knife he gave her - practically one of his first actions as a tinker - and then weaponised the armour he gave her. She's also running headlong into a problem making his task of protecting her because of her plot relevance more difficult.
 
Noticed that Joe's trolling tendency come up mostly when he tries to distract people he not particularly likes (or happy with at the moment) from stuff they worried about. His "So are you still going to scream?" to Amy after she had a very bad day, his "She's just going to owe me so much money." to Lisa while she was stuck half merged with locker, Duplicates general trolling of Joe himself, who always worried about one shit or the other, and now this "It'll be fine." to Aisha after she was internally panicking about Brian.

He is essentially just goes: "I'm annoyed with you, but I don't want you to burn yourself out with worry, so I will help you but also will throw so much annoying stuff at you that you won't have time to be worried." And I say, every time he does this it's weirdly hilarious. Guess the fact that he cares and helps, instead of just adding bullshit to the pile, makes this kind of troll kind of endearing, instead of annoying, at least from the observer side of things.
 
Personally, I think the buildup is for more than just the S9.

I am embarrassed/shamed to admit that I missed this point. Now that you've pointed it out, it seems blindingly obvious. Oh, hell yeah. We're going to start with a simple, straightforward S9 beatdown, and then things will hit the fan. And then, just one more thing. And then, one more more thing, and then...

The author knows the type of conflict needs to shift to keep the momentum of the story.

Which is why I admire the author and his writing. Yes. (bowing reverently) You are so, so right.
 
Why exactly is he always paranoid about what Taylor might do as opposed to what Aisha keeps doing?

Need I remind you that Joe gave Taylor a super knife in hopes she would use it in a responsible non insane manner?

Which she then proceeded to use to butcher a Ward? After breaking Pancea's hand?

Meanwhile he gave Aisha her pin so she could... Ya know... Exist? Not be forgotten cause of her lack of control? And began trusting her with more stuff once he got to know her better?

She then proceeds to do exactly that.

....to Brian.... One of the very few people that already know Joe's identity....

If anything she only outed herself not Joe.

I feel like it would've been more mature of her to warn him before Brian walked in and made it an unavoidable situation, but that's certainly expecting too much maturity of Aisha.

Like she aknowledges here in this chapter? That she is looking back on it and realizing how dumb she was being? And wasnt even sure if Joe already knew?
 
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The gym thinks Brian is gay and in a relationship with Alec and that's why he dropped boxing a few years ago. Now they are going to think Brian and Joe met and dated outside the gym and never knew they were each connected to the gym.

Honestly, considering Joe is noted to be pretty dang hot even when disguised now, I suspect that was more like:
Gym goer: "Oh dang, Brian thinks Joe is HOT. Remember you have a boyfriend already Brian!".
 
I'm eagerly awaiting Brian's gobsmaked POV next chapter.

"So... you must be Joe. Aisha's... told me a lot about you."

"Has she?"

"Not as much as I thought she did. Aisha, what the fuck?"

"Cool your jets, bro. I just got guilt-tripped about how fucked up I've made everything that's going on already. Anything you might say to me is nothing compared to Josef's... displeasure and forgiveness about it."

Brian gaped in shock as he tried to oh so slowly power through the realizations hammering his brain that I could see through my various supernatural senses. A glance at Aisha's guilty expression told me she was doing the same before she spoke up. "Probably not a good idea to say anything right this second. I think we can find someplace private to hash things out. After all, plausible denial is not just a river in Egypt."
 
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