Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

*sigh* Hard disagree. You can point out a flaw in a story and still enjoy said story.

I think the story pacing would benefit a lot from tighter writting. You could probably cut the story wordcount by 30% and still keep all the relevant information for the plot.

And I've read everything. In fact I can say that because I've read everything.

As for why I stick to the story despite this flaw... in a way, this is one of the highest compliment I could give to a writer:

"yeah, the pacing of your story suck, man. But I will still come back next week to get my fix because outside of that, your story is spectacularly well written. I'm willing to ignore what is usually a fatal flaw, a reason for me to drop a story, because you are just. that. good."
Fair enough, and I'm sure you've contributed to the discussion about things you've noticed about the story that you're actually invested in, and even specifically highlighted things that you really liked about a chapter.

But if you notice a trend of someone responding only after a large number of updates have passed and their takeaway is just about how long the story is and 'how little has happened', it begs the question. And I've noticed the other trend where even those seemingly engaged with the story and who comment after every update will be aggressive in referencing a flaw that seems to get pointed out after every full-length update.

For most stories, playing up this flaw when there's no conceit or gimmick encouraging that sort of writing (where the pacing is always fundamentally never going to be a priority and the writer gives reasoning for why) is tiresome.

There are all sorts of things that could improve BCF, but it would tear it away from what the writer prioritizes. It's not as though he's not attempting to write a story, per se, but clearly writing a story is just a priority, and thought and consideration is put into how it is done, but it's not priority one and thus acknowledged by the writer as something not likely to change, just serves to annoy people who want to discuss the parts of the fic that are unique about it that aren't a net-negative to the experience.

I'm not saying it's wrong to point out that pacing is an important aspect of serialized fiction especially, where updates come spaced out over time. If a writer has no reasoning for why they are structuring their story a certain way, maybe there is some community benefit for regularly reminding the audience that they are risking getting invested in something that they might put too much energy into than they'll get out of it.

I think the opposite effect has happened with BCF, since more of that excess energy is going toward writing their own takes on the concept, or hypothetical combinations of technology and metaphysical properties from other settings (which is again a central conceit of BCF to begin with). So it can hardly be said to fail to encourage the very behavior the author is stated to prioritize!
 
Speaking of DEATH, now that the Celestial Forge is an AFTERLIFE, can Tybalt use necromancy to collect the souls of fallen combatants (assuming he is there when they die) and bring them to the Celestial Forge?

Once there, can the souls freely wander around the Celestial Forge as ghosts without needing to be contained inside bottles?

That way, the Celestial Forge isn't limited to Apeiron-worshippers.
The Warehouse isn't Fiat-backed to sustain all souls; just worshiper souls. For other souls they'd probably need a dedicated area for it.

Well, I mean, at least they would for as long as it took Joe to forge their souls into something capable of sustaining themselves outside of it. He could probably also set up the Alchemy machine to do enough of the job for them to be viable and conscious and have some quality of life before he made time for them.
I thought Tybalt can collect the souls of any slain in combat, not just people he personally killed. It'd give Joe a little flexibility so if Taylor gets herself killed in her anti-Coil crusade, Joe can shove her soul into a handcrafted golem body.

Joe: (sighs) "Why did you agree to let Tybalt reap your soul?"
Ghost-Regent: "It was either that or take my chances with the Judeo-Christian afterlife."

Link: Afterlife
Link: Petitioner
Possible shout-out to 2e and 3e Dungeons&Dragon "Forgotten Realms" setting, where devil salesmen can bargain with souls awaiting judgment in the Hall of the Dead. Most souls refuse such an offer, but the wicked and faithless often agree to take a slightly-less-awful afterlife rather than risk eternal punishment from their Patron Deity.
If Joe can get the souls of the Slaughterhouse from their Shards then he can get the souls of the Undersiders from their Shards just as easily.
They are only "protected" in a few limited ways. Cauldron prevents normals from just shooting him and interfere with large-scale manhunts for them. Number Man himself prevents private affairs from doing similarly, because they are old friends. Finally, individual parahumans are blocked by Broadcast's master power. None of these are an issue for a precog-blocked money-independent non-shard tinker like Aperion.
...Well shit when you phrase it like that, presumably because Broadcast arranged things to be that way, it makes sense how bullshit Jacob is.
Somewhat true, Shatterbird is a research subject, Siberian is kept around due to thoughts that they could be useful against Zion, and they're heading towards an area under observation due to the MC actions and the Butcher's presence. At this point it's less precog bullshit and more looking after a new fish tank. As is look in every time you walk past to make sure everything is still alive and running.
Well if Cauldron doesn't end up salvaging/stealing them before they get squished, and possibly even then, I wonder whether Joe will be able to make emulations of the Siberian like he can make copies of March's attack.
You are vastly undeselling the reaction of... basically everyone. It wouldn't be "some nervousness from the PRT", it would be "everyone panic and lash out".

If Apeiron kill the S9 right now, he would signal he is willing and able to kill villains that are far away from him. It would destroy his image of a reactive force, prove he cannot be precoged (by directly contradicting the precog models), and generally show himself as unpredictable.

Cue everyone asking themselves "Am I next on his list ?". And shitting their pants.

I also wish the story could move faster, but killing the S9 now is just stupid.
It should also be noted that this would probably also cause responses from Shards as well as Parahumans since those sort of overpowered threats are normally only present in The Cycle as a local, and intentionally localized, issue a la Nilbog.
 
Someone please refresh my memory, what are all the perks that Joe has the cause people to be affected my the name Apeiron? I know there is "A Thing About Names" and "Call Sign" but I'm wonder if there are other perks that have a similar effect.
 
Someone please refresh my memory, what are all the perks that Joe has the cause people to be affected my the name Apeiron? I know there is "A Thing About Names" and "Call Sign" but I'm wonder if there are other perks that have a similar effect.
I remember that there is also a Perk from FEAR that I'm not confident on the name of that makes it so no one considers any name he goes by as weird.
 
And with minimal effort Panacea can cure one more fatal disease.

And we know where that leads.

Storage is fiat-backed to be able to safely store souls.
You know the more absurd that Joe's abilities become the more absurd the abilities of those storage-room golems become.
 
It should also be noted that this would probably also cause responses from Shards as well as Parahumans since those sort of overpowered threats are normally only present in The Cycle as a local, and intentionally localized, issue a la Nilbog.

Not from the Shards, no, no. From the Warrior himself. That's his job : defend the Cycle against Outside Context Problem.

Why do you think Scion was scanning (and repairing) the Shardspace Breach created by March after the ungodly hour ? The only reason Scion didn't check on Joe is because Joe was behind his privacy curtain at the time.

Storage is fiat-backed to be able to safely store souls.

It would kinda suck for the soul when Joe could reincarnate it or stick it in a simulation on the spiritron computer.
 
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I'm just annoyed that Bakuda's dead man switch still hasn't been cracked yet. Didn't he get a perk a while ago that specifically helped him understand alien tech? Combine that with his other perks and it's starting to stretch my sod that it hasn't been cracked yet.
 
Bakuda's code is a tough nut to crack because her shard... got lazy and used the same protocol that shards use to speak between each others. So dimension tech galore. Bakuda also used Leet streaming technology as inspiration (it was one of his earliest project and it's still unbroken), which is why her code is much stronger than in canon.

Joe didn't get any reverse engineering perk, otherwise he would have cracked the code already. He'll have to do it the hard way: wait for his spiritron computer to be able to emulate the shards dimensions shenanigans. Which should happen soon, I think the Word of God on this subject was "next day".

(And knowing the Forge trolling tendency, I bet Joe will get a reverse engineering tech right after he broke the code.)

On the bright side, it also means Joe will learn a lot about the passengers once he'll crack it, especially since he already have a fleet in shardspace.
 
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To be the most accurate, here's the quote from Roust;
Bakuda is a chaos tinker. Basically everything she does is her shard fighting someone. It's why she was able to work so quickly and to such a ridiculous degree of quality, with the tradeoff being very limited control or even understanding of what she's created. The deadman's switch was already a major project for Bakuda before it was boosted with the help of March's timing, competition with and inspiration from Leet, and being driven into her Sechen range to a massive degree. Bakuda refined and improved the coding as she was working on the next set of conscripts, so Joe was chasing a moving target up to the point of the Ungodly Hour. What Bakuda ended up with is something that shouldn't be possible to crack, period. It's basically the secure communication that Entities use. Access to that level of tech was only possible because of a very happy and very cooperative shard. As I have said, Joe is less than a day away from cracking it, which is no small feat, and the insight he'll gain from decoding that method of communication will provide a lot of insight into the wider function of shards and powers.
TLDR: Bakuda's shard was more like "Good pet! Have a treat!"
 
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Just realized when Joe finally moves against the 9 he's gonna be riding the Convertible, Survey in the passenger seat, Lethe on a Unicorn, Fleet on the motoroid, and the Cat of War pulling up on the Chopper.
 
Compassion fatigue - Wikipedia is a reason to limit your activities to avoid burnout. It is not an excuse to do nothing.
Yeah, the Panacea comparison was not a good one. Joe isn't doing nothing though, the S9 are effectively already dealt with, and for other S-classes he has to be careful because his infrastructure is still limited and he cannot be everywhere all at once, and thus cant stop established powers from freaking out the moment he starts playing Scion.
Now can we all stop drinking up this horse's liquified bones?
 
Forget about Balsto's stuff she'd probably go catatonic if she ever touched actual Life Fibers.
Pretty sure that Life Fibers are made out of weird fucking (Read: Exotic) particles that she might have some trouble with unless her Shard was able to make more of its functions available to her; having Blasto translate some of the principles found in Life Fibers into actual organic biological lifeforms would presumably be much more palatable.
 
So Roustabout hasn't been on since Saturday, anyone know if he is alright?
I remember checking to see if Roustabout has any other works when I'd first caught up with the story, and did another quick check and it seems like this account was created specifically to crosspost this from AO3, and even there IIRC the only activity I saw was this story when I looked for more, so I think Roustabout just doesn't use these sites often, or uses an alt
 
I remember checking to see if Roustabout has any other works when I'd first caught up with the story, and did another quick check and it seems like this account was created specifically to crosspost this from AO3, and even there IIRC the only activity I saw was this story when I looked for more, so I think Roustabout just doesn't use these sites often, or uses an alt
Only account in which I've seen LR's account doing much is his reddit account, I think? And even then IIRC activity has fallen since he started writing the story.
 
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