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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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The next chapter is going to take some extra time, so I'm announcing a delay to make sure I can get everything buttoned up before posting. I wanted to get this announcement out early, rather than at the last minute like with previous delays. I'd rather take the time to close out this arc in a single solid chapter than put out more half length or bridging chapters, so I should have a decent length chapter ready for next week.
 
An eighty-word post, and part of me checks for the 'k' after the number. You've really spoiled us if an eighty-thousand-word post sounds even slightly plausible. So don't worry about the delay.
 
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LordRoustabout said:
The next chapter is going to take some extra time, so I'm announcing a delay to make sure I can get everything buttoned up before posting. I wanted to get this announcement out early, rather than at the last minute like with previous delays. I'd rather take the time to close out this arc in a single solid chapter than put out more half length or bridging chapters, so I should have a decent length chapter ready for next week.
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*headdesk*

Well, I guess it can't be helped.
 
LordRoustabout said:
The next chapter is going to take some extra time, so I'm announcing a delay to make sure I can get everything buttoned up before posting. I wanted to get this announcement out early, rather than at the last minute like with previous delays. I'd rather take the time to close out this arc in a single solid chapter than put out more half length or bridging chapters, so I should have a decent length chapter ready for next week.
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can I just say that I'm really happy that you have started to post delay announcements before thursday because it really sucked to wake up on a thursday and be excited for a new chapter only to find a delay announcement
so thanks for posting it early.
 
SiegfriedisOP said:
So you know that discussion about people being responsible for their actions under Master effects. Well what do you think is going happen to Noelle who is a Simurgh bomb and has a defective Shard. I mean Joe could cure her easily but she like ate people.
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Remember that killing a parahuman is about the same as putting them in stasis for Joe. Also while Joe is immune to master effects I don't know that he has a way to cure them yet. Based on the reasoning around stomping the nine, including Bonesaw, it's equally likely that Joe kills all the travelers and reserects them once the Smiurgh is dead.
 
Jfan999 said:
Remember that killing a parahuman is about the same as putting them in stasis for Joe. Also while Joe is immune to master effects I don't know that he has a way to cure them yet. Based on the reasoning around stomping the nine, including Bonesaw, it's equally likely that Joe kills all the travelers and reserects them once the Smiurgh is dead.
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uuuuh... After a bunch more study into Shardspace, killing may be equivalent to stasis + trauma (though I guess he has memory-tech for that, if he were willing to break that out), but I don't think that's accurate as of the moment.
Like, just because Joe literally can doesn't mean he actually can, y'know? He can do a lot with Shards, he just lacks the knowledge to do so as of the moment.
 
The Shallow said:
uuuuh... After a bunch more study into Shardspace, killing may be equivalent to stasis + trauma (though I guess he has memory-tech for that, if he were willing to break that out), but I don't think that's accurate as of the moment.
Like, just because Joe literally can doesn't mean he actually can, y'know? He can do a lot with Shards, he just lacks the knowledge to do so as of the moment.
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If I remember correctly, there was a WOG that Joe will collect souls of S9 so that no one else can resurrect them.
 
Kirill said:
If I remember correctly, there was a WOG that Joe will collect souls of S9 so that no one else can resurrect them.
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"Here's my vehicle bay, it's larger than Brockton Bay itself. Over there's the giant volcano where we go lava surfing on Saturdays, and on that shelf is the tiny bottle that I keep Jack Slash's soul inside."

"W-what?"

"If you shake it, it makes funny noises. Anyway, over that way is a library containing works of literature written in other realities-"
 
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KSn5Ynoh said:
It would certainly help in getting some specific supernatural materials. Figuring out how to make them from scratch is rather time-consuming.
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I wonder if the material's he himself makes from scratch are superior to the material he would get from the shop, atleast for those he has found a way to make. Considering how broken the thing's he makes are it makes me wonder if outside of the thing's he has no way of creating himself if the shop's would bring anything worthwhile for him.
 
Kirill said:
If I remember correctly, there was a WOG that Joe will collect souls of S9 so that no one else can resurrect them.
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Collecting their souls the moment they die is a bit different from gathering their souls post-mortem from Shardspace. Joe can do that to any person, assuming he has the appropriate technology in hand (though given Lord of Light's EM-signature souls, he may be able to revive regular people if he has detailed enough scans of them?)
 
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though given Lord of Light's EM-signature souls, he may be able to revive regular people if he has detailed enough scans of them?
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That... was a very special circumstance. Sam's soul had been deliberately turned into sapient radiation as part of the "peace" treaty/conditions that ended the first rebellion on that planet. That is not something that normal souls, or even the "divine" ones on that planet, do on their own.
 
AntaeusTheGiant said:
That... was a very special circumstance. Sam's soul had been deliberately turned into sapient radiation as part of the "peace" treaty/conditions that ended the first rebellion on that planet. That is not something that normal souls, or even the "divine" ones on that planet, do on their own.
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Lord of Light reincarnation in general works through duplicating the "soul" that is made up of EM patterns in nerves, according to LordR's interpretation we got in the chapter where Joe got the tech. If Joe has the scans of that element of soul-structure, could he not at the very least recreate the soul of a normal individual?
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A significant portion of the technology seemed to be based around the mapping of the bioelectric patterns of a person's body and then extrapolating some frighteningly high-level applications from that principle.

The complete analysis of the physical energy patterns of a person gave a more complete map of their 'self' than any level of brain scan that I was capable of. Really any level of brain scan anybody could be capable of. This was comprehension of the union of body and mind that actually made a person who they were. Not a collection of information, but their actual self on a level that I could never replicate. I had technology advanced enough that I could scan someone's brain, copy their memories, and implant them in a new body, but it wouldn't be them. This technology? It could transfer a person's pattern into a new body and it wouldn't be a new body with their memories, it would be them in a new body.

Really, there was no getting around it. Functionally, it was a scientific map of the soul. The equivalence wasn't exact, but I had enough experience dealing with souls to know what I was looking at. Okay, I can add that to the list of phrases I never considered possible. I'm going to count that as a quarter just for good measure. The insanity of the concept aside, that was the secret of this technology. It was limited on higher physics and somehow laughably deficient in computer science, but had managed to crack the theoretical basis for the soul.
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The Shallow said:
Collecting their souls the moment they die is a bit different from gathering their souls post-mortem from Shardspace. Joe can do that to any person, assuming he has the appropriate technology in hand (though given Lord of Light's EM-signature souls, he may be able to revive regular people if he has detailed enough scans of them?)
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Lord of Light reincarnation in general works through duplicating the "soul" that is made up of EM patterns in nerves, according to LordR's interpretation we got in the chapter where Joe got the tech. If Joe has the scans of that element of soul-structure, could he not at the very least recreate the soul of a normal individual?
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I mean "sufficiently advanced brain scanning" is basically how the shard afterlife system already works.

Shard-magic equivalence and soul-soul equivalence make shardspace a more sophisticated afterlife than it otherwise should be, but yeah. At the end of the day, shardspace is just an automated system to do what Joe's technology already provides for.
 
Subrosian_Smithy said:
I mean "sufficiently advanced brain scanning" is basically how the shard afterlife system already works.

Shard-magic equivalence and soul-soul equivalence make shardspace a more sophisticated afterlife than it otherwise should be, but yeah. At the end of the day, shardspace is just an automated system to do what Joe's technology already provides for.
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Yeah, just more exclusive and less accessible as of the moment.
...it occurs to me that Joe could likely create an artificial afterlife as a megaproject; capture all souls before they vanish and stick them in a Spiriton sim. Do any souls appear in the Workshop? Quickly grab them and stick them in there too.
...Actually, with soul equivalence, could he Reincarnate the Fallen London souls? IIRC it was already mentioned that the original soul was a veteran of the crusade against Hell, hence Tybalt communicating with them, and it would probably be weird to come back to life as quintuplets, but it may be preferable to their current state.
 
I'm not so sure. The very inventor of the reincarnation machines was unable to prevent his lover from having severe mental dammage when he tried to give her a new body when she was almost or recently deceased. My understanding is that normally, you need an alive and at least mentally intact body to perform the transfer to a new body.

Edit: This of course only refers to "The Lord of Light" tech, not counting synergies from "That Undefinable Thing" or other powers dealing with souls and/or minds.
 
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Xedornox said:
I wonder if the material's he himself makes from scratch are superior to the material he would get from the shop, atleast for those he has found a way to make. Considering how broken the thing's he makes are it makes me wonder if outside of the thing's he has no way of creating himself if the shop's would bring anything worthwhile for him.
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As a late-stage user of the celestial forge (despite having it for so little time), of course anything that Joe makes would be better. He would just have to make it first. The shops would mostly be useful for giving ideas on what to make and allowing Joe to study certain effects, such as the atomic structure of unique materials.
 
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