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Blood, Sweat, and Tears (WH40k Design Bureau)

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For convoy defense you can go with more vessels, for pirate hunting you need to be able to force battle. Be it outranging, outspeeding, tricking, or crippling them.

LonelyWolf999 said:
Huh, I thought the new raider was specifically designed as a reaction to our escorts, which are putting a damper on their piracy. Hence us needing to step up our escort game to counter them stepping up their piracy game - unless I'm misinterpreting this all, of course.
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I was specifically listing the ways you could build a pirate hunting ship. Go fast by Designing a better Engine, go fast by using more Engine, go fast by making a Hull meant to use it's Engine better, or look like one of the convoy and turn the tables at an opportune time.

jwolfe_beta said:
And half the time they don't even get a sealed helmet to deal with environmental hazards they might encounter.
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True. Though if it is a chronic problem they will likely be issued them outside of their normal gear.
 
DaLintyGuy said:
True. Though if it is a chronic problem they will likely be issued them outside of their normal gear.
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Yes, they're issued to the regiments sent as replacements since the ones already on site are 68.9% KIA due to said hazards. :p

-Departmento Munitorum HQ-
"I've sent orders that the general in command of theater A5H1 is to be shot as a traitor. Such causalities are unacceptable without destroying the enemy at the same time."
"Didn't you get the memo? The causality rate is due to the planet having a toxic atmosphere."
"Nonsense, Gebbone IV has a perfectly breathable atmosphere."
"Yes, but the conflict is on Gebbono IV not Gebbone."
"What? That can't be......oh; tea stain obscuring the letter. That would explain it. So have you..?"
"Already sent the replacements with added equipment and raised the tithe in the surrounding subsectors by 35% to make up for the expense."
"You're a real go-getter son. Care to join the crew for lunch?"
"Thank you sir. Though are you canceling the kill order?"
"Bah, no. Too much work to write up the cancellation paperwork."
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Yes, they're issued to the regiments sent as replacements since the ones already on site are 68.9% KIA due to said hazards. :p

-Adeptus Munitorum HQ-
"I've sent orders that the general in command of theater A5H1 is to be shot as a traitor. Such causalities are unacceptable without destroying the enemy at the same time."
"Didn't you get the memo? The causality rate is due to the planet having a toxic atmosphere."
"Nonsense, Gebbone IV has a perfectly breathable atmosphere."
"Yes, but the conflict is on Gebbono IV not Gebbone."
"What? That can't be......oh; tea stain obscuring the letter. That would explain it. So have you..?"
"Already sent the replacements with added equipment and raised the tithe in the surrounding subsectors by 35% to make up for the expense."
"You're a real go-getter son. Care to join the crew for lunch?"
"Thank you sir. Though are you canceling the kill order?"
"Bah, no. Too much work to write up the cancellation paperwork."
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The only part of this that I can call inaccurate is that it is the Departmento Munitorum's HQ where this conversation would occur, in one of the otherwise dead languages that the two speaker's families teach by rote so no one can replace them.
 
Do keep in mind that I am not running the Imperium as it's meme-able incarnation people think of it. For example, you always look before you leap into a new atmosphere if only because it's your neck on the line.

It's funny enough, I'll give you that.

Sir_Travelsalot said:
The only part of this that I can call inaccurate is that it is the Departmento Munitorum's HQ where this conversation would occur, in one of the otherwise dead languages that the two speaker's families teach by rote so no one can replace them.
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Job security is Serious Business in politics. Especially over millennia.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Yeah, 's why they also do all their record-keeping in those languages, too. Then when the planet eventually becomes a warzone and those families die, no one can read the damn things, least of all their replacements.
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At which point a new, potentially more accurate, census is undertaken of that region and a new administration is brought in. Eventually it will ossify to the same point no matter it's beginning, whereupon the wheel will turn once more.
 
DaLintyGuy said:
Do keep in mind that I am not running the Imperium as it's meme-able incarnation people think of it. For example, you always look before you leap into a new atmosphere if only because it's your neck on the line.

It's funny enough, I'll give you that.
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I wasn't framing this as what our subsector is doing etc. More the very high ranking adepts back on Terra moving all these little armies about with far less care about each individual group. After all, if it isn't a valuble regiemnt (Cadian shock troops etc) there are millions like them waiting in the wings.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
I wasn't framing this as what our subsector is doing etc. More the very high ranking adepts back on Terra moving all these little armies about with far less care about each individual group. After all, if it isn't a valuble regiemnt (Cadian shock troops etc) there are millions like them waiting in the wings.
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Terra doesn't move armies. The High Lords say "this is the threat we need to face as an Imperium, get People on it" whereupon the Sector Lord Admirals get or make calls, etc.
Same thing as Stalin giving exactly no thought as to which man was in which division on the front line with Germany, only that millions were at the ready.

Otherwise you are correct in your description.
 
Hm. I think it'll be worth it in the next design turn to design a gunboat or some sort of corvette that focuses on speed and firepower to hunt down raiders (since we don't have military engines the ship will have 2 engines to compensate instead). Eventually once our technology improves they can serve as scouts.
 
MagusBlack said:
So the Shelter Armor seems to kinda be a knockoff version of the Centurion Armor in essence.
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It...

To compare it to the Centurion does the Centurion a grave disservice. But, effectively, yes.
...Probably more accurate to call it a Sentinel that you wear instead of drive. Still, it is a point towards your own mini-mecha similar to the future Tau Battlesuits, or "proper" powered armor.
 
Centurion and Tactical Dreadnought armor both have the same resistance to damage as Baneblades. Or at least are in the same bracket, above or below as the case may be.
 
DaLintyGuy said:
Centurion and Tactical Dreadnought armor both have the same resistance to damage as Baneblades. Or at least are in the same bracket, above or below as the case may be.
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Yeah, but in comparison to bog-standard Flak Armor, Shelter Armor fills a similar role of 'heavy infantry armor making use of heavy weapons without needing an entire gun crew'. Just on the scale of Guardsmen instead of Astartes.
 
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Sir_Travelsalot said:
Yeah, but in comparison to bog-standard Flak Armor, Shelter Armor fills a similar role of 'heavy infantry armor making use of heavy weapons without needing an entire gun crew'.
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Which is what I was saying... I mean the Centurion is kinda of a tech downgrade from Tactical Dreadnought. Like TD is a 10/10, Centurion is a 8/10 and the Shelter is 2/10 comparison wise.
 
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DaLintyGuy said:
Centurion and Tactical Dreadnought armor both have the same resistance to damage as Baneblades. Or at least are in the same bracket, above or below as the case may be.
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Which I always found slightly weird. I mean a baneblade would have heavier (and thicker) armor plating on just one segment of it's hull then either armor suit has over their entire surface. By all rights something that has a decent chance to pierce the armor plating on a baneblade should outright nosell a Terminator or Centurion.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Which I always found slightly weird. I mean a baneblade would have heavier (and thicker) armor plating on just one segment of it's hull then either armor suit has over their entire surface. By all rights something that could pierce the armor plating on a baneblade should outright nosell a Terminator or Centurion.
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Then again, Terminator Armor does come with a forcefield, and was adapted from spacesuits meant to be able to operate inside of active plasma generators.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Which I always found slightly weird. I mean a baneblade would have heavier (and thicker) armor plating on just one segment of it's hull then either armor suit has over their entire surface. By all rights something that could pierce the armor plating on a baneblade should outright nosell a Terminator or Centurion.
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This mainly comes down to the fact that, to Astartes, Cost Is No Issue. They have the best that could be salvaged from the remains of the previous, near Clarke-tech civilization, as well as Legendary artifacts and so on. Their warplate is made to what would be obscenely high standards anywhere else in order to eke out even the smallest amount of additional performance, their armor systems and superhuman biology mean they can carry ceramite and Adamantium of a grade (mostly density) vehicles would balk at, and they get energy shields past a certain point.
The Baneblade is good, but it is a weapon of war and not a symbol. "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" and all that.

Sir_Travelsalot said:
Then again, Terminator Armor does come with a forcefield, and was adapted from spacesuits meant to be able to operate inside of active plasma generators.
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Not as cool as it sounds in a lot of ways. For one, you can simply not touch the actual reacting mass. Still, even the thermal radiation is enough to warrant that kind of armor so it's not nothing.
 
DaLintyGuy said:
This mainly comes down to the fact that, to Astartes, Cost Is No Issue. They have the best that could be salvaged from the remains of the previous, near Clarke-tech civilization, as well as Legendary artifacts and so on. Their warplate is made to what would be obscenely high standards anywhere else in order to eke out even the smallest amount of additional performance, their armor systems and superhuman biology mean they can carry ceramite and Adamantium of a grade (mostly density) vehicles would balk at, and they get energy shields past a certain point.
The Baneblade is good, but it is a weapon of war and not a symbol. "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" and all that.


Not as cool as it sounds in a lot of ways. For one, you can simply not touch the actual reacting mass. Still, even the thermal radiation is enough to warrant that kind of armor so it's not nothing.
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I mean it is able to be stepped on by a Titan and keep the wearer alive.
 
DaLintyGuy said:
This mainly comes down to the fact that, to Astartes, Cost Is No Issue. They have the best that could be salvaged from the remains of the previous, near Clarke-tech civilization, as well as Legendary artifacts and so on. Their warplate is made to what would be obscenely high standards anywhere else in order to eke out even the smallest amount of additional performance, their armor systems and superhuman biology mean they can carry ceramite and Adamantium of a grade vehicles would balk at, and they get energy shields past a certain point.
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Of course the loyalists found out the hard way during the Heresy that there were some limitations to their shiny super-heavy armor plate. Namely that they aren't nearly as agile as they normally are* while in said walking tanks which the traitor legions took full advantage of.

*Heck I've seen bits that stated if the Terminator suit ever loses power, the marine would barely be able to move the armor.
 
DaLintyGuy said:
This mainly comes down to the fact that, to Astartes, Cost Is No Issue. They have the best that could be salvaged from the remains of the previous, near Clarke-tech civilization, as well as Legendary artifacts and so on. Their warplate is made to what would be obscenely high standards anywhere else in order to eke out even the smallest amount of additional performance, their armor systems and superhuman biology mean they can carry ceramite and Adamantium of a grade (mostly density) vehicles would balk at, and they get energy shields past a certain point.
The Baneblade is good, but it is a weapon of war and not a symbol. "Perfect is the enemy of good enough" and all that.
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And that's not even touching on Custodes exclusive wargear like Adrathic weapons. Dark Energy Guns, that even the Admech isn't allowed to realize exist, let alone that the Golden Boys' private armorers still know how to make them.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Of course the loyalists found out the hard way during the Heresy that there were some limitations to their shiny super-heavy armor plate. Namely that they aren't nearly as agile as they normally are* while in said walking tanks which the traitor legions took full advantage of.

*Heck I've seen bits that stated if the Terminator suit ever loses power, the marine would barely be able to move the armor.
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That's true for the Indomitus-pattern and the ones that preceded it. But the most advanced model, the one that would've eventually been made the standard armor of space marines if the Heresy hadn't happened? Tartaros-pattern Terminator armor didn't impede your range of motion at all.
 
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