Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Reading back a bit:
Guess we know what Hive-Type looks like.
Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
- Thread starter Avalanche
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- Original
Actually Avalanche has mentioned before that the UN high command is pretty sure that if they go all in they can escape the solar system. They don't do that because they are also fairly confident they will win the war.
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Ah, something to keep in mind considering we had a lot of discussion about the first two 'excerpts'...
This means that they might be out of date, and thus possibly flawed information. We might be getting set up for a bunch of trains of thoughts that have taken root and started to be used, before they found out that what they were basing off of wasn't quite right.
Another layer of thought is needed.
Edit: The dates given are...
Bolded dates. It is 58 PI in quest I believe. Although I'm not quite sure on the exact date.
I'm fairly sure both are pre-quest. And note that this is the Publication date. (Which might mean the second one's study doesn't include Anna for example).
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This means that they might be out of date, and thus possibly flawed information. We might be getting set up for a bunch of trains of thoughts that have taken root and started to be used, before they found out that what they were basing off of wasn't quite right.
Another layer of thought is needed.
Edit: The dates given are...
Bolded dates. It is 58 PI in quest I believe. Although I'm not quite sure on the exact date.
I'm fairly sure both are pre-quest. And note that this is the Publication date. (Which might mean the second one's study doesn't include Anna for example).
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Reading through the update again. As a fun exercise I'm trying to think of how the 'civil war' *cough*Anna causing havoc*cough* between Saskatoon and Fairbanks info could be inserted as a sort of a Chekhov's Gun that could be brought up later to be linked to Anna? Maybe Koujirou gets curious about the Alaska Offensive after the simulation and stumbles on the article about it that's on the latest update? Or Koujirou talking to Yukari about the offensive and her offhandedly telling him about the conflict?
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
This anime has a pretty big cast and some characters take time to develop before it's apparent how important they are. (Chao Lingshen during a certain other series' first tournament arc...)
- Location
- Austria
Yeah, seeing detailed description of normal, loveable human beings acting in a ways you could not possible ever find loveable in any way, shape or form is an interesting experience.
[jk] Screw you @Kaizuki
But for reals, great job.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
The bit is in supplemental materials, and bits of it show up briefly on screen when we pan over a cadet browsing the web. It is also referred to obliquely in discussion (like a couple of cadet speculating that bread-chan grew up in the middle of that and how that must be why she's quirky) and is being set up as a hope spot/conspiracy: maybe if there's disunity among the AG they can be incited to fight each other... but the people in the know don't seem to think so.
Something else interesting to note about the "civil war".
Anna noted that her town of 8000 deep in AG territory was not something the UN would have committed to rescuing. Well, okay, she didn't want to think about that, but the answer was pretty obvious.
But a strategic-scale weapon who, on her own without logistical support, managed to stymie two entire minor breaches, and who wouldn't leave unless 8000 civilians (less, I suppose, by that point) were extracted? If they had known about her town, it wouldn't have mattered. If they had known about Anna specifically? Yes, absolutely, it seems to me the UN would commit to rescuing her and doing everything possible to get her people out if that was a precondition. Or at least, they'd have the mission ready to go and would execute if conditions favored it.
Anna noted that her town of 8000 deep in AG territory was not something the UN would have committed to rescuing. Well, okay, she didn't want to think about that, but the answer was pretty obvious.
But a strategic-scale weapon who, on her own without logistical support, managed to stymie two entire minor breaches, and who wouldn't leave unless 8000 civilians (less, I suppose, by that point) were extracted? If they had known about her town, it wouldn't have mattered. If they had known about Anna specifically? Yes, absolutely, it seems to me the UN would commit to rescuing her and doing everything possible to get her people out if that was a precondition. Or at least, they'd have the mission ready to go and would execute if conditions favored it.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Three.
Fairbanks and Saskatoon just took the brunt of the damage.
Yarudazuigu
Frostbyte's overlord.
- Location
- Poland
They run out of Oxygen, Water and farmable earth. You do know that farmable earth runs out of the nutrients, yes?
And hydroponics needed to feed the Army they have ... I think you do not understand that they lack materials. Because source is gone.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Dude, they have fabricators, the raw materials of an entire solar system (minus one life bearing world) and plenty of Valks.
The primary (non)pressing issue is that there may be a bit of a huge generation bottleneck coming up in the not quite immediate future, assuming the lunar/high orbital population has disproportionally few civilians and therefore few kids. Population pyramid will be quite unbalanced and will shrink dramatically before recovery... Or they have the Valks cook something up for use as iron wombs and only have to deal with retooling from a military industrial/science complex to a functioning peacetime society.
More immediate, most of their Valks are war trained, so may need a bit of adjustment and trial and error before they return to the civil engineer role of the preAG/postImpact period.
What's more likely is that there might be only 1 male alive up there
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Dude?
Infantry
(Probably /edit) Per base.
Most of those are male (though whether they sexually identify as such, or tyrannosaurus, remains unsaid).
The population pyramid is probably unbalanced in terms of gender ratios, yes, but I am not convinced in what way.
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- Location
- Austria
I assume that without fighting antags taking up a lot of time they can devise artificial wombs and cloning and artificial humans and make G-Com into a Human!Breach overall.
I mean, assuming that people listen to Sandra, humanity can escalate quite quickly with all the techs turned to peaceful build-up. There was ~1 billion of people on the planet, but, like, with artificial biomes and ability to mass-produce bodies our of vazoo mankind can just go full Eclipse Phase, spam infomorph!humans and bodies for them and that's that.
Armstrong Base is a proper Arcology. It isn't as populous as somewhere like Perth with 73 million people:
but it's 270,000:
is easily enough to form a sustainable population.
People seem to be thinking that Armstrong Base is just a military base. It's not. It's a proper Arcology and one of the largest construction facilities in the UN. The only reason it's population isn't in the millions is that the Antagonists made civilian travel to it difficult enough it was put on a hold:
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
I also suppose that the total existence failure of the Earth may cause the moon to (worst case scenario) go plummeting out of Solar orbit or into the void... Can someone run some test in Universe Sandbox or something?
Edit: found answer here https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-to-the-Moon-if-the-Earth-just-disappeared /edit
(Coming Soon: Hot Valk on Valk Action 2: Space 2099/Monbase Valka.)
Edit: found answer here https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-to-the-Moon-if-the-Earth-just-disappeared /edit
(Coming Soon: Hot Valk on Valk Action 2: Space 2099/Monbase Valka.)
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deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
- Location
- The Warp
Aside from being tonally horrendously inconsistent and weird, the main issue was the weird characterisation. And I don't just mean the characters acting literally nothing like themselves in any way whatsoever, it's also that the premise requires the entirety of the UN HQ being the stupidest people to ever exist in human history.
The Antagonists have made a concerted effort to exterminate humanity for decades, and have never ever responded to any communication from humanity. (Except with viral data streams) It would be obvious to literally everyone that any peace is solely a pragmatic measure that will be revoked the very instant they develop countermeasures for whatever threat forced them to make the play.
The UN might agree to peace under those circumstances, but not as a mere Armistice, they'd only accept something like that if it were an actual surrender on the Antags part. Including total disarmament. Because anything else would be preposterously moronic.
There's also the weird thing of having a humaniform Antag with Anime cliches which doesn't remotely match the tone of the rest of the piece.
And the asinine stupidity of the anti-WF defence. If a countermeasure would cause your own forces more destruction than not using it. i.e. A countermeasure that apparently eradicates your entire species, then they wouldn't use it. Obviously. Contrived plot hole you could drop a planet through.
Also don't forget Dr Strangelove was released in 1964. It's a freaking old movie. I know I haven't seen it, and a lot of other people won't have either.
Bold voice is not Durga.
Bold voice is Anna. The real Anna. The cynicism and pain and misery and hatred. The Anna the characters are seeing is just the tip of the iceberg, a personality based on what she was like before the Antags. Most of her real self is suppressed.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Indeed, even when that would also destroy the enemy it would be quite MAD.
Space 1999 was a great show to watch when I was growing up in the 90s due to just how wrong they were about a lot of things.
Being ejected from the solar system isn't actually that bad with the tech they have. Even ignoring the resources on the moon empty space in the Local Bubble has a hydrogen density of 0.05 atoms per cm^3. If we assume the moon is traveling at it's escape velocity from the solar system (42.1km/s) then with a forwards facing surface area of 19,000,000km^2 it should collect around 4x10^22 atoms of hydrogen per second. That converts to about 5.7kg per day.
A reactor fusing p-p-p-p produces 644.93TJ/kg so assuming 80% efficiency we get 3,676TJ per day and 1,342,659TJ per year from just the stray hydrogen they pick up. Humans meanwhile need around 1TJ per year. So just ambient hydrogen collection provides enough energy to support over a million people.
If you are actually mining the moon well the moon is estimated to contain million tonnes of water ice. That is around 60 million tons of Hydrogen or enough to support about 200 million people for 200,00 years, or about as long as humans have existed.
Though most likely they'd just pick up Armstrong Base, and any other arcologies built, and fly to the nearest star system where they can mine either the star or more conveniently any gas giants it has for enough hydrogen to support them for stupidly long timeframes.
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
@Avalanche, uhm, you said something about a second part.
Does that mean you have finished writing it and you're just waiting for a good time to release it? Or not?
Does that mean you have finished writing it and you're just waiting for a good time to release it? Or not?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We'll find out in 2018.
Avalanche
Atypical Netizen
- Location
- Australia
Nah it's not finished. Post 19 contained most of the formulated script whereas the 2nd half/post 20 is still mostly structure.
Before I get rekt by the torrents of posts laughing about my update rate, I'll cut in here and say it's probably gonna be here this year.
- Location
- Earth
So we can expect it around Christmas?
Either way, I found this while the thread was locked, so now I am around as well. Hi!
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
- Location
- The Warp
Which works for the reference, but still doesn't work for the setting. Even stretching things considerably the Human/Antag conflict doesn't remotely map onto US/Russia Cold War.
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but the setting is simply an abysmal match for it.