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Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)

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Would the UN still risk using the god gun on a breach if Anna hadn't demonstrated that wave force works on breaches? Or are they betting on the spatial nature of the attack to differentiate it from other SYW?
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Without Anna using it on the Breach, they'll have a grand total of one(1) data sample from Anna using it against Sekhmet. High chance that the UN would simply treat it as an anomaly data as they'll have approximately no info about it.

Pretty unclear though, 1st Direct Observation of Wave Force is the 4th event, which I assume was either Anna collapsing the High Energy Lab in Alaska or Anna deleting her hometown. 2 of the previous events are Anna using on Sekhmet and the Breach. Which leave one event I have no clue when or where it happened. Personal opinion is the first was Anna discovering Wave Force the first time.
 
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Would the UN still risk using the god gun on a breach if Anna hadn't demonstrated that wave force works on breaches? Or are they betting on the spatial nature of the attack to differentiate it from other SYW?
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Well seeing as they've destroyed six Minor Breaches without Anna I think it is safe to say that whatever this super protective ability is it is restricted to Major Breaches. Which means Sasakatoon isn't actually a useful demonstration. Instead I think what makes them think God Gun will work is that most the Antagonist's bullshit comes from Higgs. Some super-shield powered by the endless fount of Higgs generated by a Major Breach seems like the obvious explanation for why weapons capable of shattering the crust are getting shrugged off. Wave Force meanwhile destroys Higgs and thus should bypass any Higgs based defense.
 
al103 said:
PS. For that matter Durga is not "nice" form of many-faced-goddess. That's Parvati. Durga is still fire and brimstones, just not to "I will carve your guts and choke you with them" or "and then she ended everything and cycle began anew" of Kali.
PPPS. India is one of Big Five, isn't it? Oh. Heh. It's just a matter of time before somebody would make a comparison. Heh. Avatars are explicitely a thing. Cult incoming.
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Anna can have another cult dedicated to her lol, with the crafting club being the first for tax reasons.Also, I mean Durga was 'nicer' as in Anna has a singular shape with only the occasional shifting armor, which compared to Anna in combat later where her shape is less defined as her armor constantly changes with new components expressing themselves and then going back into storage. Also, her under-layer will come out to consume Antagonists, as seen in the sim of Alaska, and her eating a Type-2(iirc). That is what I meant by Anna being 'nicer' as a not constantly shifting shape of black armor with a huge field of energy dynamos sucking the energy out of the surrounding area leaving naught but flash frozen wrecks and light rain as oxygen, nitrogen, and other gases are so cold they turn to liquid. One of these is a lot nicer to look at and won't probably kill any humans who are unfortunate to be near the general AO of combat.

Darker said:
Reading this comparison on Quora; Durga seems to be a very fitting name.
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This I did not know. Most of my knowledge of Hinduism comes from AP world history, which I took several years ago so you'll have to excuse my lack of knowledge. I do see what you mean by Durga fitting very well. Tbh it was just an idle curiosity, but it has given me the funny image of Anna destroying the Antagonists in a dance competition, and then dancing upon their corpse upon a torn up field of carnage. Thank you for the link to the comparison, it was an interesting read, and informative.
 
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Omake - ZeldaFan - Not from this UN Security Council meeting.
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    • Avalanche said:
    The Ginnungagap cannon will be targeting the Major Breaches. Regardless of what defensive measures the Major Breaches have, the UN is confident that Wave Force will punch through it and destroy the Hive inside.
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    I've had some thoughts on Ginnungagap actually.

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    UN Security Council Meeting

    Location Classified

    "Ginnungagap won't ever be able to fire. You see, it is not even a real weapon."
    Several of the most powerful people in the world spat out their coffee or tea.
    "What."
    "Explain, now."
    "...This oughta be interesting."
    "The actual purpose for Ginnungagap is to pose such a gigantic threat that it lures out antagonist infiltrators and possibly forces engagement by Abraxas."
    "What."
    "See, STRATNET believes the risk of subversion is too high for a actual super weapon with this much power. If actually used, there is a good chance suspected infiltrators will subvert it and turn it on us, which would have a good chance of sending humanity into a death spiral. Nevermind the threat Abraxas poses by its existence."
    "I thought Type 2's were the confirmed highest ability infiltrator antagonists?"
    Someone sipped on their tea. "They were until we confirmed that there is a Type 0 infiltrator capable of assuming human form. We need to lure them out, or to be blunt, we lose the war."
    There was a moment of dead silence.
    "Then what the hell is the UN devoting this much manpower and resources on?!"
    "I can assure you that they are being put to good use building several Valkyrie battlegroups to engage and destroy Abraxas."
    Stunned silence.
    "This better work."
    "It has a good chance of doing so."
    "As for breaking antagonist hives? Rest assured, our current number one Valkyrie is leading that effort and the results are..."
    "Promising I hope?"
    "Confirmed, we now have more then one Valkyrie who can use waveforce."
    "...Holy shit."
    "We might just win this war."
    "Patience, all good things in due time."

    What the person leading the Security Council meeting failed to mention was that Ginnungagap was in actuality a super weapon, and if it worked it would be devastating to the antagonists in coordination with the planned world wide operation.

    That and the deception was for the benefit of the antagonist infiltrator who was likely in this room.
     
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    Unfortunately, even SYWs don't seem to work on the Hives inside an Antagonist Breach. When it was going down, Rome Major Arcology retargeted it's SYW on Berlin Major Breach. Even though weakened as Rome was falling apart, Nero's Fiddle should have turned Europe into a smoking crater 6000km in radius. Berlin Major breach seemed unphased. Days later during Option Zero, Tehran Major Arcology hit Berlin again with Asha, it's own Strategic Yield Weapon. Berlin Major Breach took it like a champ and soldiered on. The UN is uncertain as to how the Major Breaches seem to take such attacks into stride.
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    What is/was the plan for assaulting Major Breaches, Ginnungagap and Wave Force in general aside? Throw Three Hundred at them and hope things work out?
     
    SpeckofStardust said:
    welp that means that the God gun will be targeting minor Breaches then.
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    Alphaleph said:
    Without Anna using it on the Breach, they'll have a grand total of one(1) data sample from Anna using it against Sekhmet. High chance that the UN would simply treat it as an anomaly data as they'll have approximately no info about it.
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    Anna blew up saskatoon solo, probably with wave force. The big f*cking gun uses wave force, and will absolutely certainly fire at a major breach.
     
    UberJJK said:
    My expectation is that (assuming it is finished in time) God Gun will be used as part of the season finale. God Gun will fire at Tripoli Major Breach (hopefully destroying it) while all available forces are deployed against the Tamanrasset double Breach. This shakes up the field for season two, shows how helpless Coke-Zero is as Anna and Shuri disappear for mysterious Ace duties, and more personally he watches as Yukari (and the rest of the third years) flies off to defend the now vulnerable rear lines. From a quest perspective it gives us our first experience of high level Ace combat. From an in-universe perspective the biggest concern right now is the Tamanrasset double Breach fusing into a Major Breach so this strategy (if successful) not only takes out a Major Breach it also prevents the formation of a new one; effectively killing two birds with one stone.

    As a bonus this gives an opportunity for Coke-Zero, who is presumably watching the battle play out in the Perth simulators along with Sandra and Setsuna, to get his first major clues as to Anna's backstory since she'd probably appear on screen at some point. Oh and it shows off to the audience that Anna and Shuri really have just been playing around with the newbies this whole time since this is what Ace level combat really looks like.
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    I give it good odds that the Antags try to hit Armstrong in the aftermath, provided it does actual damage to a Major, as they'd be stupid to let something like that hang over their heads. Though so long as they don't lose Armstrong entirely, it's a net gain for the UN even if they lose the God Gun. It'd make for a good Season Two opening as well.
     
    Alphaleph said:
    Without Anna using it on the Breach, they'll have a grand total of one(1) data sample from Anna using it against Sekhmet. High chance that the UN would simply treat it as an anomaly data as they'll have approximately no info about it.

    Pretty unclear though, 1st Direct Observation of Wave Force is the 4th event, which I assume was either Anna collapsing the High Energy Lab in Alaska or Anna deleting her hometown. 2 of the previous events are Anna using on Sekhmet and the Breach. Which leave one event I have no clue when or where it happened. Personal opinion is the first was Anna discovering Wave Force the first time.
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    IIRC the First Direct was mentioned in an update as Anna annihilating her town in lieu of manually burying everyone she failed. Or maybe it was some other time, making it the missing event in your line up.
     
    HavocKeeper said:
    I give it good odds that the Antags try to hit Armstrong in the aftermath, provided it does actual damage to a Major, as they'd be stupid to let something like that hang over their heads. Though so long as they don't lose Armstrong entirely, it's a net gain for the UN even if they lose the God Gun. It'd make for a good Season Two opening as well.
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    I think we have WoG that the UN doesn't expect the God Gun to last long enough to get a second shot. They still think taking out a Major Breach makes that a good trade.

    Although depending on how the Antags escalate after this might retrospectively change that calculous, but hindsight is 20/20
     
    Blonddude42 said:
    I think we have WoG that the UN doesn't expect the God Gun to last long enough to get a second shot. They still think taking out a Major Breach makes that a good trade.

    Although depending on how the Antags escalate after this might retrospectively change that calculous, but hindsight is 20/20
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    I think it's 'We've got good odds of one, even two shots, but a third shot is astronomically unlikely.' with regards to Ginnungagap.
     
    DaLintyGuy said:
    IIRC the First Direct was mentioned in an update as Anna annihilating her town in lieu of manually burying everyone she failed. Or maybe it was some other time, making it the missing event in your line up.
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    The UN managed to explore the hometown for a bit, so it's unlikely that Anna deleted the ruins before contact. So there's still one detected usage unaccounted for.

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    I doubt it. 14.8 Liters is a lot of hair, but it's not enough to conceal any kind of intelligent being. A listening device, on the other hand...
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    Reminder that AGs and Valks can make themselves small enough to slip through cracks. :p
     
    sabreFather said:
    Or Anna finds out and suddenly LLF is BREAD.
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    Or antagonist mole falls in love with Anna, much awkward ensures, how do antangonists court anyway.


    Avalanche said:
    Abraxas is not subordinate to the major Breaches as the terrestrial Antagonists are, and powerful as it is, it is not known if Abraxas can fight a fleet of UN Valkyrie Battleships and win decisively.

    Nokomis is the other North American Class A Type Zero, though it tends to wander around a little. The Instructors didn't mention it in that scene as Last Word damaged it and it ran away during the battle of Sydney, so they believe it may be recuperating in the short term.

    Due to hmm, how do I say this, do to positive mechanical synergy of weapon platforms in this setting due to energy generation scaling directly with durability and offensive power thanks to energy weaponry, rather than stupid boondoggles that appear when you try to build too large IRL, large attack platforms are just flat out better than smaller platforms. The tradeoff, I suppose, is that it costs hella skrilla to make a Space Force battleship compared to swarms of tanks and aircraft.

    There are no scenarios that consider the possibility of engaging a Space warship with unsupported surface elements. Don't do it. Not even the heaviest Naval ships can tee off against a Space Force battleship. They're burning higgs to hover around, but if they wanted to, they can point their arse at you and turn on the engines. You're about to be toasted by the world's largest flamethrower. If there is an engagement on the surface with Space Force assets, then yeah, a heavy tank battalion can sneak around and shoot a battleship in the arse while it is concentrating its Higgs barrier forwards. It'll actually do decent damage too if they have enough time to put a few magazines down range. However, don't be surprised if you, the hill you retreated behind and the ground behind you are all rapidly excavated by a battleship grade direct fire weaponry though.

    Powerful enough Impeller and proper tuning of Impeller to resist radiation and means that general saturation nuclear weaponry lose most of their use against hard targets. You need more concentrated force like casaba warheads.

    Girls in power armour is hot. Hell yeah, hot anime girls in power armour. That's the focus of this quest btw, sorry if you're here for something else, but I'm here to write about hot anime girls in power armour.

    Major Arcologies can face tank even the Impactor.

    Regular high yield weaponry won't scratch them when detonated outside their Impeller. The only weaponry known to humans that posses enough power to crack a Major Arcologie's Impeller are the Strategic Yield Weaponry of that some of the Major Arcologies themselves are equipped with, Abraxas's Gravitational Radiation Emitter, and now, Anna's Wave Force.

    Unfortunately, even SYWs don't seem to work on the Hives inside an Antagonist Breach. When it was going down, Rome Major Arcology retargeted it's SYW on Berlin Major Breach. Even though weakened as Rome was falling apart, Nero's Fiddle should have turned Europe into a smoking crater 6000km in radius. Berlin Major breach seemed unphased. Days later during Option Zero, Tehran Major Arcology hit Berlin again with Asha, it's own Strategic Yield Weapon. Berlin Major Breach took it like a champ and soldiered on. The UN is uncertain as to how the Major Breaches seem to take such attacks into stride.

    As the existing SYWs of humanity were all designed with the purpose of cracking other Major Arcologies in mind, and not sweep a continent clear of Antagonists in a way that leaves the crust and atmosphere intact, their use is now on hold. They're not being redesigned too much, pending possible execution of UN CentGov Contingency Plan Alternative Three; phased evacuation of Earth, in which case all the Major Arcologies will unleash their SYWs in such a way as to blow themselves off the surface of Earth and outwards into space to escape.

    XHEAPs don't tend to change too much. Missiles, aside from getting smaller and more efficient also don't change too much.

    That's an awkward question. I would leave that up to the discretion of the author.
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    1. If battleships are so powerful why bother with ground forces, maybe minor deployments of them might be useful but any major deployment of them would be better done by sending one battleship and than taking no losses in the process that one has to replace, is it the fact they require higg generators needed for arcology, I generally get the Impression ground forces matter considering how they been focused on in way that suggest they are cost effective and if they are they must be able to threaten a battle ship with forces that do not cost many time, seems to me that armor would protect them from engine wash while a another fleet flanks them from the front, I might be coming up a bit confrontational here, it because your awesome world building skills got me so invested in the setting. You used witch craft on me.:)

    2. I was not thinking saturation bombardment, I was thinking contact detonation which seems like it hit way harder, one thing to be caught in the blast radius of a nuke and another to take ten to the face and three to the groin. Anti bolo tactics with the nuke

    3. is that saying you only have a doylist reason for this, does this mean the Valkyrie battleships are mechs or something because cores like the humanoid design what are they like compared to normal design. Granted you are right girls in power armor are hot.


    4. again that answers some questions but your setting is so fascinating that I have 100 more, might being a bit overwhelming here, would the Valkyrie remember the improvements it made to the missiles if it given new ones to replace used one or rebuilds them, seems like it be a big nerf to anything consumable otherwise.
     
    BrendenHawley said:
    1. If battleships are so powerful why bother with ground forces, maybe minor deployments of them might be useful but any major deployment of them would be better done by sending one battleship and than taking no losses in the process that one has to replace, is it the fact they require higg generators needed for arcology, I generally get the Impression ground forces matter considering how they been focused on in way that suggest they are cost effective and if they are they must be able to threaten a battle ship with forces that do not cost many time, seems to me that armor would protect them from engine wash while a another fleet flanks them from the front, I might be coming up a bit confrontational here, it because your awesome world building skills got me so invested in the setting. You used witch craft on me.
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    The rational is all laid out here in Post 5:
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    There did not appear to be too much variation in conventional human tactics against Antagonist forces however, it mostly boiled down to launch hundreds of thousands of missiles and shells at Antagonist groupings. This is then followed by calling in Valkyries to suppress the AG interception units revealed when they fire to intercept the missiles, quickly followed by fast air to contest air superiority. All this time, high yield weaponry would be deployed selectively against newly discovered concentrations of enemy forces. While the heavy AG units were occupied by Valkyries, armoured formations advance with heavy air support advance and bury Antagonist units under Humanity's overwhelming numerical advantage. Lastly, infantry would sweep behind the main thrust for scattered remnants of AG forces.

    While this was all happening in the planetary atmosphere, the battles in space was one of hide and seek that would begin weeks before the ground engagement as the various orbital forces stop each other from conducting bombardment on each other's staging areas and supply depots, moving through high and low orbits, hiding in the debris and radiation pockets that cluttered all levels of Earth orbit. Humanity nominally held orbital superiority over much of the planet, but even Valkyrie battleships could not withstand the anti-orbital weapons of Major Breaches for more than a few minutes at a time and would take damage from the anti-orbital weaponry of minor breaches, so attacks on AG controlled territories would have orbital forces descend into atmosphere and begin direct fire support for ground forces if orbit was declared swept sufficiently clean.

    Once deployed enemy forces were sufficiently depleted, then attacks on enemy redoubts could begin, which was either the job of Valkyries if orbit remained contested, or the job of spaceships if orbit was clean and the redoubt was far away enough from a Breach for the ships to attack whilst a safe distance from the ground.

    Once the Higgs Engines and the Higgs Generator of a redoubt were destroyed or disabled and along with them, the production capability of the redoubt, high yield weaponry would be used to collapse the perimeter structures and drones and infantry would sweep through the labyrinthine central structure to make sure it was cleared of hostiles and hopefully secure Higgs engines and Generators. If Valkyries could be spared, they would assist in this.
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    In short; Space Battleships are used to secure space overhead because the UN doesn't really have anything else capable of space combat. If the orbitals have been secured then they can safely descend into the atmosphere, out of the range of the Breaches devastating anti-orbit weaponry, and engage directly. If they haven't then they need to stay in orbit to keep the Antagonists from attacking from above (which is really hard to counter) or worse bypassing the frontlines and attacking vulnerable locations behind them.
     
    Alphaleph said:
    Without Anna using it on the Breach, they'll have a grand total of one(1) data sample from Anna using it against Sekhmet. High chance that the UN would simply treat it as an anomaly data as they'll have approximately no info about it.

    Pretty unclear though, 1st Direct Observation of Wave Force is the 4th event, which I assume was either Anna collapsing the High Energy Lab in Alaska or Anna deleting her hometown. 2 of the previous events are Anna using on Sekhmet and the Breach. Which leave one event I have no clue when or where it happened. Personal opinion is the first was Anna discovering Wave Force the first time.
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    Avalanche said:
    5. E26 is no longer extant, refer [Detected Bohr/Einstein Exotic Wave Force Actualisation event no.4; 'First direct observation of Static Wave Force Manipulation'].
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    the 4th was anna getting rid of her home town.
     
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    UberJJK said:
    The rational is all laid out here in Post 5:

    In short; Space Battleships are used to secure space overhead because the UN doesn't really have anything else capable of space combat. If the orbitals have been secured then they can safely descend into the atmosphere, out of the range of the Breaches devastating anti-orbit weaponry, and engage directly. If they haven't then they need to stay in orbit to keep the Antagonists from attacking from above (which is really hard to counter) or worse bypassing the frontlines and attacking vulnerable locations behind them.
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    That still doesn't explain why, if bigger is better and more efficient, the ground forces aren't a space force battleship too (instead of a few dozen tank battalions and lots of artillery). If you can build an all around better weapons platform with the same resources, why don't you?
    I assume the doylist reason is rule of cool and just looking at the real world and converting things into futuristic versions, the watsonian reason "the antagonists have smaller stuff like tanks, so we need our own to counter (insert specifics here)".
     
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