Sure, at least in Tywin's case.
Sending an assassin after him, or even doing it ourselves if we can manage discretion would be easy and certainly not hurt our poor conscience.

Robert would be more difficult because he's likely a mid- to high-level FIghter and he won't go down easily and without a trace.
And because we have less reason in his case, since Robert is not the intriguing type who would be dangerous from the Wall.

Full nope on this for two reasons. First, the cost of it being discovered, particularly early in our reign when we're likely trying to get everyone unified to fight the long night, to our reputation and legitimacy is absurdly high. Second, we don't need to. I fully trust the Dornish to make arrangements outside of our knowledge to ensure Tywin dies, no matter where he is.
 
The only way magic could reduce the general douchebaggery inherent to most of the Planetosi population is if we used it to summon a meteor to cause an global extinction event, so I don't think that counts?
Use Mindrape to love every human (with few exceptions), then cast Love's Pain.
Afterwards, repopulate with custom-designed race (Epic Seed 'Create Life').
So, magic can solve everything.
 
Full nope on this for two reasons. First, the cost of it being discovered, particularly early in our reign when we're likely trying to get everyone unified to fight the long night, to our reputation and legitimacy is absurdly high. Second, we don't need to. I fully trust the Dornish to make arrangements outside of our knowledge to ensure Tywin dies, no matter where he is.

The problem for mundane assassins dealing with folks like Tywin, who have a truly stupid amount of resources to rely upon, is that they don't often stay dead. Any successful assassination of Tywin is going to need some very particular spellwork to either make it extremely difficult to Resurrect him, or to actually make it outright impossible without meeting some quite specific conditions.

I would be inclined to just Soul Trap or Imprisonment him, if the opportunity presented itself.
 
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The problem for mundane assassins dealing with folks like Tywin, who have a truly stupid amount of resources to rely upon, is that they don't often stay dead. Any successful assassination of Tywin is going to need some very particular spellwork to either make it extremely difficult to Resurrect him, or to actually make it outright impossible without meeting some quite specific conditions.

I would be inclined to just Soul Trap or Imprison him, if the opportunity presented itself.

Why would the Dornish only have access to mundanely equipped assassins? They have access to magic, and it's not like we could have predicted what they wanted that scroll for.

*innocent whistling*
 
The problem for mundane assassins dealing with folks like Tywin, who have a truly stupid amount of resources to rely upon, is that they don't often stay dead. Any successful assassination of Tywin is going to need some very particular spellwork to either make it extremely difficult to Resurrect him, or to actually make it outright impossible without meeting some quite specific conditions.

I would be inclined to just Soul Trap or Imprisonment him, if the opportunity presented itself.
There was this Flesh to Stone, Stone to Mud, dilute mud in water chain, where you'd need at least one wish.
Then we have that purpose created ice dragon.
Barghests as discount solution.
That one amulet we've got.
If we can convince ourselves, feeding to Yss (that should also preclude a wish being successful)
Make a peace offer to Efreeti, providing a soul for brass coins ...
There's also this one plane in the Nine Hells (or Abyss?) - Carceri?
 
Why would the Dornish only have access to mundanely equipped assassins? They have access to magic, and it's not like we could have predicted what they wanted that scroll for.

*innocent whistling*

Because Doran is an idiot and Oberyn is an impetuous idiot? They would probably not want to rely on us for their magic assassination needs, and end up half-assing it.
 
There was this Flesh to Stone, Stone to Mud, dilute mud in water chain, where you'd need at least one wish.
Then we have that purpose created ice dragon.
Barghests as discount solution.
That one amulet we've got.
If we can convince ourselves, feeding to Yss (that should also preclude a wish being successful)
Make a peace offer to Efreeti, providing a soul for brass coins ...
There's also this one plane in the Nine Hells (or Abyss?) - Carceri?

Oh, I know we could do the job right. I don't trust the Dornish to do it, though.
 
Because Doran is an idiot and Oberyn is an impetuous idiot? They would probably not want to rely on us for their magic assassination needs, and end up half-assing it.

I've always disagreed with the interpretation of everyone who makes reasonable mistakes based on incomplete knowledge as being an idiot. Doran being overly cautious because he's worried about getting both his family and many, many Dornish killed is reasonable without the full perspective of the situation we have. And when every conversation Doran has with us risks getting his family and many, many Dornish killed, and he's getting his info second hand from someone he considers a biased source (Tyene), he has to do a lot of guesswork. Seeking a second opinion or other options in case alliance with us doesn't pan out (or we suddenly die. We've almost suddenly died a few times) is just good hedging.

And Oberyn has Doran to reign him in.
 
I've always disagreed with the interpretation of everyone who makes reasonable mistakes based on incomplete knowledge as being an idiot. Doran being overly cautious because he's worried about getting both his family and many, many Dornish killed is reasonable without the full perspective of the situation we have. And when every conversation Doran has with us risks getting his family and many, many Dornish killed, and he's getting his info second hand from someone he considers a biased source (Tyene), he has to do a lot of guesswork. Seeking a second opinion or other options in case alliance with us doesn't pan out (or we suddenly die. We've almost suddenly died a few times) is just good hedging.

And Oberyn has Doran to reign him in.

I don't call him an idiot because he's stupid. I called him an idiot because he continually allowed his great overabundance of caution to interfere with common sense. Guess I shouldn't have erred on the side of brevity.
 
@DragonParadox The entire last chapter was awesome.

"Dawn comes"? Ultra hype!
@TotallyNotEvil , I was checking waymar prestige class and found a mention to "darksteel", what it is and where do I find references to it?
A special material that grants +1 electricity damage if used in weapons or Resist Acid 3 on armour.
@Goldfish, @TotallyNotEvil, then a bunch of Page of Spell Knowledge?

I really want to finally get Fiery Tentacles and Fire Spiders for Viserys.
Yeah.

I can live with 1 charisma drain.

And honestly, the whole Paragon Surge thing always struck me as a bit too much. It's one thing to cast Heroics for bonus fighter feats. It's another to cast a third level spell for enhancement bonuses and a couple new spells a lá carte.
 
I don't call him an idiot because he's stupid. I called him an idiot because he continually allowed his great overabundance of caution to interfere with common sense. Guess I shouldn't have erred on the side of brevity.

My point is he doesn't have enough knowledge about the new rules of the world to have common sense. His caution has been the only thing that has preserved Dorne in the wake of Robert's Rebellion, and gaining more knowledge requires him to risk a lot, and he doesn't know if we're telling him the 100% truth or just the bits that greatly favor us. We're convincing, yes, but it would be irresponsible to risk his family and Dorne on the word of one convincing man. He's trusting us, but is trying to verify and in case we fail, have an alternate route.

I'm not saying his tendency towards over caution isn't a flaw, but it's reasonable for it to have developed to the extent it has, and the expectation of "common sense" existing to override it is actually unreasonable.
 
Okay, time to use our awesome social skills to act totally unsurprised and pretend we knew he could do it all along!
HA! I've been saying most our party members are way more awesome than you guys give credit for.

I totally knew this could very well go down like this:
Be absolutely fucked up by Waymar's attack. Maybe a crit.
Waymar actually has a decent chance of one-shotting it, if it fails the save against the Lightning Lance.
Waymar has a chance of killing him on his attack anyway.
Most importantly:
3) It will look fucking amazing for Waymar to essentially activate his Ultra move.
 
@DragonParadox I can live with 1 charisma drain.

And honestly, the whole Paragon Surge thing always struck me as a bit too much. It's one thing to cast Heroics for bonus fighter feats. It's another to cast a third level spell for enhancement bonuses and a couple new spells a lá carte.

Well, I only managed to get DP to agree to a version that allows us to temporarily learn spells up to 3rd level, so it's far less cheesy than it was. The +2 Strength and Natural Armor bonus won't hurt, either.
 
Part MDCXCVII: A Troublesome Offer
A Troublesome Offer

Fourth Day of the First Month 293 AC

It is not without a twinge of hesitation that you translate the djinn's words into Common for Waymar to understand... yet it is only that. The young Royce has come a long way indeed from the uncertain boy you met in Braavos years ago. For his part he seems surprised and appreciative in equal measure.

He bows to the Lady of the Winds as one would to a noblewoman of high rank, and once Dany had gifted him with the power to know and speak the tongues of mortals and immortals both he declares, "I had the honor to end the creature's foul existence and am all the more pleased for it to know that I undid the black sorceries that bound you, my lady."

"And who are y..." the djinn breaks off, blushing even deeper than before. "Forgive me, all who have guarded me unknowingly, for failing to introduce myself," she says. "I am Embra of House Rebys, Daughter born in Silver Confluence to Hajar Vizier of the Whispering Shades and Pact-Brother to Zafer, Steward of the Winds and Overlord of Armun Kelisk."

The words mean little to you save for the last two which wake an ancient memory... Armun Kelisk, Skyhold of the Djinn and crown of their empire. Before you stands the daughter of the... foster bother and from his title perhaps spymaster of the lord of all Djinn. All at once vistas of great rewards open before you, even as pits of perils undreamt yawn before your feet.

"And I am Waymar of House Royce, my lady, an ancient and honorable line, though," he gives a slightly awkward smile. "Less of the former, perhaps, by the measure of undying spirits."

The girl, for her mannerisms certainly show her youth, seems pleased by the introduction. She lapses into thoughtful silence for a moment, beginning to float gently off the ground like a leaf upon a summer breeze. Finally she then nods firmly to herself. "And what is your desire, Waymar of House Royce? Be not hesitant to dream grandly for the power of my kindred is grand and this wish I offer freely for returning me from the brink of black oblivion."

A shocked silence descends upon the hall then, the implications of her offer sending a chill down your spine.

"My lady, your father..." Alyneah begins, speaking quickly as though to stop one from rash action.

"My father is not here, Spear of the Opal Throne," the girl interrupts her. "Father was also not dying... confined to cold stone in the hope that a curse-breaker of your folk could unravel the Nameless One's power over me." She shudders delicately at the memory. "That was me, and yet here I fly." So saying the young Djinn loops about the cavern as a demonstration, or perhaps simply because she can. "My foe is dead by this mortal's hand, or do you deny it?"

"No." The single syllable is spoken grudgingly. It is clear as day she would very much wish to offer some qualification or tempering, but she can think of none.

"And so what greater service could a mortal do me that they be worthy of being granted their heart's desire?" she asks defiantly. "Is my life to have no worth beyond what others place upon it?"

Through this all Waymar had been looking on in bemusement, nary a trace of greed for his reward. You suspect the very notion of being granted so grand of reward as a wish had never even crossed his mind. On the other hand he would never be so discourteous as to deny a lady's gift... even if as you suspect it would undo some deal of the genie-kin long in the making.

What do you do?

[] Speak up
-[] Write in

[] Let the scene play out

[] Write in


OOC: Viserys' knowledge roll came out terrible, but it was at least enough to recognize the name of the city and from there infer the rest.
 
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When it had begun speaking Waymar had already been in the air, but hearing this he only drove his steed faster, Purity shinning so bright in his hand it almost hurt the eyes to look upon it, and the brightness only grew enveloping the young valeman like the power of some forgotten god of storms as words in the Old Tongue rang out in the depths that had known naught but darkness and stale air.

"Dawn comes!" he shouts as the blessed bronze blade seems to become three lighting bolts coiled about each other, cutting unerringly through the whipping winds to impale the twisted Djinn through the void where its heart once lay. Like a shadow before dawn's light it faded, on its bestial features a look not
HEY, VILLAIN!
 
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