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@DragonParadox, we're not leaving the ark behind, right? If the Shaitan really don't want it I'd happily bring it back to SD with us.
If I were a GM, I'd invoke the part of the magic item creation rules where it says "these are only guidelines, for the final price compare to similar items // the effect", would look at the 'infinite spells' hack, and then make it at least Epic.Heh. Lemme show you. You craft it as a use-activated custom magical item, with an activation clause of 'wearer expends a spell slot of level 3 or lower'. So spell level (3) x caster level (3) x 2000 = 18,000 gp (before crafting discounts, IM conversion, planar reagents, etc). Double the cost if you want to make it slotless. The way the magical item creation rules work, this means that whenever the wearer of this item casts a level 3 spell or less, this item casts Channel the Gift on them, substituting the need for that spell slot with its own power. Combined with Versatile Spellcaster, this gives effectively unlimited 1st-4th level spellcasting for any spontaneous caster.
tl;dr some of Pathfinder's spells are just silly.
Metamagic only? Why this change?
Should the fluff include some manner of visible transformation given that unlike Paragon Surge it grants natural armor?
If I spring for the current Goldfish variant of our refluffed Paragon Surge can we make one for Viserys?
This is a serious question.
I'm afraid not.
Infinite [Anything] does not make for fun game-play IMO. There have to be costs and balances so that one has to weigh the pros and cons.
Vile version: Any time you go over your daily slot allotment, one you love is sent to the Abyss.Infinite [Anything] does not make for fun game-play IMO. There have to be costs and balances so that one has to weigh the pros and cons.
Vile version: Any time you go over your daily slot allotment, one you love is sent to the Abyss.
Is that QM confirmation that you want us to retrain Fiery Burst into a new feat?![]()
Nothing stops you from using this spell on yourself ...Viserys to Ao: "No, really, I love Robert Baratheon with all my heart. Without him, I never would have become the Dragon man I am today!"
And a feat.Technically the opportunity cost of that is not spending all your 5th level fire spells.
Abraxas: "Now, Viserys, technically the Abyss is made up of infinite planes, however ..."Viserys to Ao: "No, really, I love Robert Baratheon with all my heart. Without him, I never would have become the Dragon man I am today!"
I'm afraid not.
Infinite [Anything] does not make for fun game-play IMO. There have to be costs and balances so that one has to weigh the pros and cons.
Would an 'x' uses a day variant be possible? I fully understand the desire to not give infinite spell slots even if level restricted (I've actually used an item like what I just described and it was silly). But something that would allow for a few more extra spells or 3rd or 4th level in exchange for a monetary output considerable higher than that of scrolls seems doable. Throw in a restriction similar to the mental stat boosters that you only gain the bonuses after 24 hours of wearing it to stop us trying to trade them out on the fly.
Pearls of Power.Would an 'x' uses a day variant be possible? I fully understand the desire to not give infinite spell slots even if level restricted (I've actually used an item like what I just described and it was silly). But something that would allow for a few more extra spells or 3rd or 4th level in exchange for a monetary output considerable higher than that of scrolls seems doable. Throw in a restriction similar to the mental stat boosters that you only gain the bonuses after 24 hours of wearing it to stop us trying to trade them out on the fly.
It would cost 1,800 IM to craft. 1,350 IM with Lya's discount.@Duesal how much would an 18,000 gp item be when translated through our crafting modifications and factoring in the use of extraplanar reagents?
Typo.
Yeah, I don't know whether you guys were eyeing any other feats. Just thought I'd call attention to it.There are very few feats we would want to use other than Metamagic anyway.
Put it into the fluff/description then? Much like Paragon Surge specifies no visible transformation.Viserys already has a small Natural Armor bonus from being Dragoblooded. A few more scales for cosmetic purposes wouldn't be amiss.
... True. ... Rings of Wizardry are also kind of expensive.Only work on a single spell level and aren't valid for use by Sorcerers. This is better.
Is that worth three 4th level spells slots (or 6 1st-3rd) to you?
I think you meant Tywin Lannister, Viserys don't have strong feelings for Robert, he's irritating I will give you that, but I don't think Viserys wish him to the Abyss.Viserys to Ao: "No, really, I love Robert Baratheon with all my heart. Without him, I never would have become the Dragon man I am today!"
@DragonParadox, if they're really going to leave the ark behind in the interest of saving time, can we stash it back in Sorcerer's Deep without it being considered our reward since they were going to toss it out anyway? It's freaking silver and gold, and enchanted at that.Quite likely.Does this saves us travel time now that the ark won't slow us down anymore?
A handful of shaitans garbed not as merchants or even caravan guards but warriors girdled in resplendent gold wage a desperate defense of some manner of floating ark wrought of gold and silver also bound with sorceries so potent that even your spies simple senses can behold it.
The Ark itself easily keeps up, gliding silently a few inches above the floor... a strange thing for earth genies to make.
I think you meant Tywin Lannister, Viserys don't have strong feelings for Robert, he's irritating I will give you that, but I don't think Viserys wish him to the Abyss.
We could offer to safekeep it and return it later. Also known as diplomancing.@DragonParadox, if they're really going to leave the ark behind in the interest of saving time, can we stash it back in Sorcerer's Deep without it being considered our reward since they were going to toss it out anyway? It's freaking silver and gold, and enchanted at that.