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is horus worthy of that sword? or worth the trouble of engaging at all? depending on the circumstances, I feel orbital bombardment is more than sufficient.
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It needs to be something that would dick with Kairos's working, so bombing Slaanesh's palace can be filed under 'fun, but not applicable'. Horus isn't gonna be born for another thousand years give or take a decade, so that's also 'fun, but not applicable'.
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Nay, detonating their palace is one of the things that would definitely fuck with Karios's plans.
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To break Karios's curse all we need to do is shatter fate. We can break his curse without harming a single Tzeentch Daemon.
1. Why would we want to avoid that?
2. The curse gets stronger the longer it's in play. Anything that takes too much time to set up, like say Horus, runs the risk of no longer being sufficient when the time comes. So we should bomb Tzeentch with a blackstone fortress if we wanna do it that way. If we hit Slaanesh, Tzeentch will interfere to keep their working intact, so it'd be the forces of two warp tumors instead of just one.
2. The curse gets stronger the longer it's in play. Anything that takes too much time to set up, like say Horus, runs the risk of no longer being sufficient when the time comes. So we should bomb Tzeentch with a blackstone fortress if we wanna do it that way. If we hit Slaanesh, Tzeentch will interfere to keep their working intact, so it'd be the forces of two warp tumors instead of just one.
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Kairos has a tower in Tzeench's own impossible world. Slaanesh's palace is in their impossible world. The Chaos gods are actively fighting over the scraps of the Aeldari Dominion at this point. They have never and will never be more than allies of Circumstance. Bombing the palace is fun but accomplishes little in the way of unraveling the eye of Tzeench.
I doubt this assertion. I don't know if this is some canon nonsense but we very much have far faster and less resources intensive means of dealing with Kaeros's curse.
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Keep in mind that we're not just compromised, but actively getting our visions pruned by Tzeentch as long as the curse is in effect. That makes almost everything we use them for more difficult and costly, which is a lot. Every other major endeavor, and a lot of the minor ones, get easier when we deal with Kairos's little bug. We can't afford to try to out-tzeentch Tzeentch here. Complications and additional resistance are always bad, but they count for triple right now.
Wherever we scry, Kairos sees everything we see. Perhaps we can show him something he doesn't want to see?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09EQDlgWHEw&t=18s&pp=ygUPVGZzIHNvbGFyIGZsYXJl
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We aren't going to be able to traumatized Kaeros with some vision. That said, once the Seer Circle is done, we can scry his schemes and deeds within the next century to make him paranoid and second guess himself, throwing his own personal future into disarray.
I don't know... broadcast enough sacred imagery directly into a demon's mind and... who knows what could happen...
The Answer is that he is already seeing all the sacred imagery that has ever been and will ever be. He's still missing out on the current, but give a second and it will be seen. Side effect of that whole being thrown into the Well of Eternity and getting to see the entire future and past thing.I don't know... broadcast enough sacred imagery directly into a demon's mind and... who knows what could happen...
The Well of Eternity doesn't connect him directly to other people's souls so it stands to reason that how the power of faith travels through his Well visions is different to how it might travel through the curse directly attached from him to our souls.
We might need a QM ruling on this regardless but I fairly certain that the all faith Kairos has seen in his Well of Eternity trip is more like sitting in a helicopter flying over an endless sea of mercury. He sees all the mercury, that's for sure, and the helicopter ride must have been rough but he wasn't really in there with the mercury. It's not the same. In contrast, with the curse, he's either actively touching us or he has a pipeline/wire installed connecting our souls to him. Either way, we can still have a connection we can poison/Trojan him with.
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This is all highly speculative and baseless and directly contradicts the entire narrative confirmed aspect of the curse growing stronger over time which would be your logic only connect him deeper too us. Your overestimating the power of faith in the setting and misinterpreting daemons as in some way antithetical to faiths not of the chaos gods to the point of being harmed by them just through contact which is not at all how it works. Faith in 40K can protect an individual from Daemons within reason but it cannot just kill demons from being witnessed.
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We have a WOG that one of the options of breaking the curse includes "blowing up the physical location of the Phoenix Court with the Blackstone Fortresses". The Phoenix Court, due to having its previous owner eaten, is now run by Slaanesh.
1. I did not say we wanted to, I was just saying its possible.
2.Killing Kairos is the fastest way to break the curse, this was never an argument. The original premise was "which option is the funniest" and blowing up the seat of power of a Chaos God is objectively funny as hell.
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Yes, that would break up Slaanesh curse as a denial of her claim. It does nothing against Kaeros spell or anything to stop Nurgle from rotting the souls of Aeldari children through there connection to Isha. The curses are separate and require Separate solutions.
I politely suggest that you review the original curse post. The curses are solved differently, and have different degrees of difficulty.
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My brother in Christ, Mechanis outright states that there are multiple ways to break the Eye of Tzzench. To break it it requires a "significant disruption", one of which includes blowing up the Phoenix Court.
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... So we just need to take Nacretinei to the system that is home to the Phoenix court and buy them time to deploy a Suncracker warhead? Huh...
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Maybe. There is a solid chance that due to the nature of the Eye of Terror purely physical weapons like the Suncracker might not even work in there.
At this stage, all ideas we have to counter the curse ARE highly speculative and baseless. We could try to just kill Kairos
whe but he could just stay away from us we could never get the chance. And that's the only empirically supported theory we have. The solution to this problem is going to get a little experimental, regardless of the path we take.
Just because a virus has grown stronger in exhibiting symptoms in it's host does not necessarily mean it has grown stronger in it's resistance to antiviral medication. The curse is confirmed to grow stronger it's ability to blind us but that's it. It's says nothing about it's resistance to being tampered with.
The dose makes the poison, my friend.
Take Ephreal Stern and the Screaming Cage for an example. The Screaming Cage was a Slaaneashi creation meant to torture 700 Adepti Sororitas by making them share all their pain with each other. However, the sisters shared their faith through their pain and hacked their own prison in order to amase enough psychic power to create a Sister of Battle/Battle Psyker hybrid strong enough to kill greater demons.
Now, I don't plan on sending our people into Slaaneshi torture rooms anytime soon but this story is informative in showing us how this kind of psychic power can subvert Choas and their sorceries.
To be fair, this might not do much of anything. This is still just a hypothesis of mine and Mechanis will present us options as they personally deem fit. However, at this extremely early stage, it doesn't hurt to throw whatever you got at the wall to see what sticks.
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I want to see what Draylin and Eldrad can come up with. it is there profession he's fucking with after all. between Draylin's experience and Eldrad"s innovations, I think they'll come up with something special 😼.
just don't feel like we need to speculate results when we have an action to sink AP into and have our people research the proper methods.
I'm saying that if that was how it worked, as it grew stronger he would be exposed to more and more significant amount of faith or Materium or whatever and the spell would break itself.
Cut one off. See how it responds to questions.