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A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)

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Mithrill said:
Also, the Core Ship is an escape pod, innit? Someone graduated from Gorgutz's Skool of Legging It To Krump Another Day.
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You know wha be brutalee kunnin'?

Sneakin' a bom' umboard dat overgrown lifeboat, is wha'. Righ' unda da warp drive. Righ' big boom un that an' no way ta run. An' thaz Grimtusk done med-e-um rare.

You know what'd be really devastating?

If we can manage a stealthy infiltration and sabotage the Core Ship before or during the engagement in which we aim to kill him. A good-sized melta bomb on the warp drive should do it, especially if it can be disguised as more Ork machinery. With no way to warp out, we can run it down and kill it more-or-less at our leisure.
 
Roaming_Guardian said:
Both the notables of our team seem worth supporting in the medium to long term, especially when we know that the Necrons will eventually reawaken and start releasing C'tan shards.

And I see that Biel Tann may be in need of wider censure.
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Aerellian took a calculated risk, but the problem with those is when you start with garbage numbers you get garbage calculations. After all, most of the people he was planning on bullying are minors or smalls, and "well they're not going to get best use out of it anyway" combined with, between losing any Special Things and any damage from Biel-Tan convincing them to hand it over, well, if they have something unfortunate happen after that it's not like it's Biel-tan's fault, and isn't it lucky they grabbed the Special Thing before it could be lost?

Of course, then this happens, and he has to reeeealy hope that none of the people he was trying to extort keep it to themselves (they aren't.)
 
Mechanis said:
Many are being slowly drawn into the Asuryani camp, for the lure of an at least partially functional solution is strong, and some who have found themselves in perilous waters have begun drifting into the orbit of Ulthwe for survival. The emergence of your own faction in the northern rim, however, may give many of these a rallying-point, and the information you discovered on the nature of Aeldari souls and the Curses will likely cause a shakeup as previous seeming failures are reexamined and ideas now known to be unworkable are abandoned.
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As expected, the Asuryani are in a very strong position on the grounds of "your souls are being eaten RIGHT NOW. If you don't want your souls eaten, this provably stops it" and frankly no one else has anything to offer that matches that.

Ulthwe is compelling to anyone who thinks they will die of other things before their souls get eaten, since their rallying cry is togetherness and mutual aid which will stop people from dying right now, but none of what they present are solutions to the problem that the Asuryani are solving. Or, well, "solving".

Our faction presenting our research will bring us a lot of credibility in that we can promise to solve these problems eventually- but we don't have any immediate solution for right now except to point at the Ishari and go "turning into plantpeople worked for them". And most people won't want to do what they did, so ultimately we're building our entire credibility on the promise of future solutions instead of on concrete offerings that give at least a partial solution right now.

Overall I think the Asuryani are going to keep growing, and fairly aggressively, because even the people who believe in us and want us to succeed- perhaps even to the point of backing us in alliance- aren't going to want to keep having their souls eaten while they wait. And we don't have anything that can stop this. Our best bet is probably to make friends with as many people as we can who are either in the Asuryani camp for pragmatic reasons or drifting that way, and ally with them on the logic of "even if you're doing what works now as a patch job, put your faith in us for a better more permanent solution later". Arguing that our two solutions are not opposed but rather addressing the problem on different timescales could avoid a lot of conflict and bring us long-term political stability and credibility.
 
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So from what i'm reading, things would be a great deal better if Biel-tan didn't just go and rob their people of needed treasures at gun point, and have more likelly than not given a lot of Eldar Souls to their Literally Devil God because of stupid actions, man how the fuck those guys where still that important in the Canon lore, how their reputation isn't in the gutter as this is basically handing Slannesh eldar souls just with extra steps as they ''weren't'' the ones to kill their own people.
 
Ryzer said:
man how the fuck those guys where still that important in the Canon lore
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Because they'd collected a large pile of relics and Special Things.

I think we should check with the Independents to say hi and see if any of them have been being hit by Biel-Tan (probably yes), and then go meet up with the Asuryani to say hello and be polite (and possibly ask if they've been having trouble with Biel-Tan, now that we've collected every story on the subject), and then go talk to Iyanden to make sure they've been informed why everyone else is unhappy with them at the moment, just in case no one else wanted that job. Maybe talk about what might be done regarding the preservation of ability to produce exotics, and why people might be hesitant to offer them that kind of trade right now.
 
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Being able to artificially manufacture soul stones would be huge for the Eldar, no matter what faction. I hope we can take action to help them in their endeavor after the Moot.
 
Broadly speaking, we're not actually in conflict with the Asuryani orthodoxy, it's not our path but it is a viable solution--especially once they adjust it based on our info drop. It's the Revanchists that we're worried about--but even then, Iyanden is fairly mild as far as they go and a lot of their bigger blunders are less likely to happen after we ID the full nature of the Curses so they don't get led by the nose so easily.

But yeah, the Aeldmoot's having more benefits than just the obvious, just everyone getting together, comparing notes, and realizing that Biel-Tan was doing a Funni and trying to make it a fait accompli is already a very large loss of face for them and the Revanchists in general.
 
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Aerellian standing there in the Aeldmoot trying to hide the pile of relics she stole at gunpoint from the others present behind her back like some cartoon character is now in my head.

you know, badly whistling and looking away and all that.
 
Rovos said:
Aerellian standing there in the Aeldmoot trying to hide the pile of relics she stole at gunpoint from the others present behind her back like some cartoon character is now in my head.

you know, badly whistling and looking away and all that.
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I can just imagine Aerellian hastily throwing a sheet over the pile and making a crude "Please do not touch the 100% not a treasure pile" sign to go along with those actions.
 
... Haha, oh, I just realized it.

@Mechanis , if we were to define Biel-Tan in this setting, they would be a faction that took an awful lot of long term lacks in exchange for an absolutely cracked military force, and then basically planned on stealing what they were missing from a bunch of other Craftworlds in the chaos of the early days? And simply because they were the easiest targets with the highest value Stuff, it as mostly the ones who were Vaulish in general--which meant that very few Craftworlds who had actual functioning creative thinkers either had their backs or their legs broken by Biel-Tan in the early days and ended up succumbing to the other various dangers, and because so much was in chaos at the time, they managed to hide their own involvement, and because it benefits Chaos for the Craftworlders who live up to all the Imperium's xenophobia and are extremely assertive, they'd have used the Gaze of Tzeentch to obscure their involvement in that collapse, wouldn't they so they remain a reasonably well-regarded (If asshole and jingoistic) paragon?

And that's why they lost their ability to genuinely innovate, because Fucking Biel-Tan would have ended up looting their best innovators and crafters in the early days of chaos to make up for what they didn't take in favor of Maximum Military Strength--and they never actually felt a need to develop beyond their Tier 1/2 techs because it was Good Enough to T-Pose over everyone else until relatively recently--and by then, all the institutional knowledge would have died out even if they had any!

Is that what would have happened in an otherwise "Canon 40K" version of ADB?
 
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Oh we are going to really earn their hate this time aren't we when we bring this to everyone's attention.
 
Yeah, I just did the math and I figured they could very easily get a max military, max martial skill build and still have 5 points to spend in the end just by taking things we know is true of them right now. They got a lot of mileage out of the "Everyone who isn't a Space Elf" section by screeching "DIE PRIMITIVES" at every turn, which they probably would have spent getting a good variety of starting T1 weapons and Holofields while also locking in Iyanden as an ally.
 
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F0lkL0re said:
Oh we are going to really earn their hate this time aren't we when we bring this to everyone's attention.
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I mean, they already hated us enough to send us to turbo hell. After that, it will just be a matter of ending any collective action between the two of us without a large neutral intermediary (which was also the status quo soo...).

So not a big change.
 
Mechanis said:
Muirgaythh leads a small coalition of themselves and the minor craftworlds of Faer-Kairn and Il'Tah'yrd who have been working to recreate the Tesseract Arcs of the Necrons—which have held gods, before—and believe that if they succeed, it will be possible to weaken the Ruinous Ones by trapping their servants—especially those counted among the Exalted—in those inescapable prisons, cut off from the Immaterium. An intriguing idea, to be certain—what would happen to a god, should one manage to trap enough of their greatest servants in such a fashion?
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Setting aside, for a moment, the applicability this would have for demon-killing (which is a capability we're going to want very badly) - a trap for imprisoning demons probably works on Deva too, wouldn't it? Is this the tech that would eventually become the Infinity Circuits?
 
Candesce said:
Setting aside, for a moment, the applicability this would have for demon-killing (which is a capability we're going to want very badly) - a trap for imprisoning demons probably works on Deva too, wouldn't it? Is this the tech that would eventually become the Infinity Circuits?
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it could probably work on Human pertuals if they make us angry they get put in time out in a box
 
And this time instead of getting away with the bullying the kids at the schoolyard all get called into a meeting with the parents who at this point had not been told about the bullting, only for every kid in the room to point at them and say they stole their things and beat them up.
 
Ryzer said:
So from what i'm reading, things would be a great deal better if Biel-tan didn't just go and rob their people of needed treasures at gun point, and have more likelly than not given a lot of Eldar Souls to their Literally Devil God because of stupid actions, man how the fuck those guys where still that important in the Canon lore, how their reputation isn't in the gutter as this is basically handing Slannesh eldar souls just with extra steps as they ''weren't'' the ones to kill their own people.
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thats Biel-tan for you one of the reasion the elder are dying and often in pointless mays for a impossible cause
 
Alectai said:
It's a solid block so far, but there's more to do. I think broadly, we want to feel out the vibes of the Asuryani block as a whole and soothe some rumpled feathers, and get a private meeting with Iyanden to see if we can get them to run herd on Biel-Tan for now, so they don't fuck shit up.
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I'd much prefer to leave the Biel-Tan mess to Saim-Hann. I have faith they should be able to handle it, and this way we don't duplicate work or get in each other's way. I'd rather meet with Kher-Ys and/or Muirgaythh, see if we can help them with their projects. The latter could be invaluable for handling the Curses of Tzeentch and Nurgle, while the benefits of the former are self-evident. If nothing else, handing over the designs for an Academy of Vaul could be huge, assuming they don't already have one.
 
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