Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Incidentally, those with omake points saved up might consider spending them on the abilities/attributes close to cap:
- Manipulation 28/35 (7 away to get a second attribute to cap)
- Athletics 18/21 (3 away for it to join Dodge, Stealth and Expression)
- Archery 15/20 (5 away for it, see above)

15 points for Ling Qi to cap two attributes and five skills. All of the above have progressed this week, so omake points can put them over the top.


The following skills and attributes are working on the sixth dot, but even with omakes are unlikely to make it (I don't know how many points are 'floating' around out there):
- Stamina 8/35
- Intelligence 2/35
- Resolve 2/35
- Formations 0/21
- Larceny 0/21
- Resilience 0/21
- Throwing Knives 0/20

The following skills and attributes are close to 5 dots (mortal cap):
- Wits 17/25
- Composure 21/25
- Survival 9/15
- Empathy 12/15
 
Do keep in mind that agreeing to being Cai Renxiang's vassal is agreeing to be Cai Shenhua's vassal so
rather while we somewhat know the personality of Cai Renxiang from rumors and even from her own daughter's interlude cai shenhua is not a good boss to have.
I don't think that's how the vassalage system works? Either way, we would become the personal retainers of Lady Cai, not vassals to the Cai family. We are not nearly important enough or powerful enough to be the direct vassals of a White. We would be the tools that Lady Cai uses to demonstrate that she is fit to rule the Duchy after the Duchess bites the dust (or ascends). The Duchess interfering with that process would defeat the whole purpose of testing the potential heir.

Actually, does anyone here have a solid characterization of CRX? Because I'm honestly drawing a blank here.
I mean, I can help you out if you like?

First off, we know that a core aspect of her character is Order. As in, everything has their place and should perform to expectation and in relation to their place. This is a key trait that she has inherited from her mother, but has actually twisted it to fit her place in the world and her own capabilities. Cai is big on Order, respecting authority, and having a place in the world (as seen with the conversation after legal studies where she mentioned only loyalty to the Emperor is higher than loyalty to family).

Next, she is ruthless towards her enemies. If given the option, she will crush her enemies until nothing left of them remains. This was discussed earlier in the Quest when Lady Cai showed that she uses a Dao and people were talking about what symbolism that represented. Yrs commented that ruthlessness towards enemies was a character trait of hers. Furthermore, she is ruthless in the means she will use to acquire compliance from people trying to stop her from her objectives. This can be seen when blackmail was employed by Lady Cai to elicit agreement from the older influential Sect members.

Next, she is adaptable. When a tactic is not working, she will switch up the means of achieving her ends. This can be seen by her comment regarding her weakness towards the more covert aspects of politics and how useful they can be. If browbeating people with superior firepower is not working, she can and will change to better suit her agenda.

She is also honest about her abilities. She acknowledged her lack of skill in the covert aspects of politics and the weakness in managing a political engine, to begin with. It's the entire purpose of her presence here in the sect, and she is taking the opportunity as a training session, a very demanding training session which she endeavors to meet with equal fervor (as seen when we went with her daily routine).

Which moves on to the next point, she is driven towards achieving her goals. Her goals seem to be firmly set in stone, and her objectives seem to be unchanging. While she may change tactics and strategies to achieve a goal, she has never changed an objective that we have seen. She determined to control the entire outer sect, even when controlling a smaller piece of it would have been exponentially easier.

Lastly, she is accepting, somewhat, of other people's taste and preferences. When we were having tea with her she switched up the tea when she noticed we didn't like the first blend. This is an absolutely vital skill when dealing with high-level politics, and it is nice that she already has it.

So, in conclusion. She demands and expects an orderly existence but she recognizes that she might not have control over that order. Obstacles and enemies in her way will be ruthlessly eliminated to the largest extent possible, with the condition that an enemies place in the order may mitigate or enlarge the ruthlessness shown to them. However, she understands that she does not possess enough power to wreck everyone in her way, and as such is adaptive in her tactics and strategies to exploit the weaknesses of her enemies and obstacles. In that vein, she is also honest about her own weaknesses and strives to correct them before they become a problem. Because she is honest about her abilities, she sets goals and objectives that she realistically believe to be within her reach, and strives to achieve those goals using whatever means are possible. Lastly, she is accepting and understanding of other people's taste and preferences, and endeavors to accomendate them at some levels.
 
I don't think that's how the vassalage system works? Either way, we would become the personal retainers of Lady Cai, not vassals to the Cai family. We are not nearly important enough or powerful enough to be the direct vassals of a White. We would be the tools that Lady Cai uses to demonstrate that she is fit to rule the Duchy after the Duchess bites the dust (or ascends). The Duchess interfering with that process would defeat the whole purpose of testing the potential heir.


I mean, I can help you out if you like?

First off, we know that a core aspect of her character is Order. As in, everything has their place and should perform to expectation and in relation to their place. This is a key trait that she has inherited from her mother, but has actually twisted it to fit her place in the world and her own capabilities. Cai is big on Order, respecting authority, and having a place in the world (as seen with the conversation after legal studies where she mentioned only loyalty to the Emperor is higher than loyalty to family).

Next, she is ruthless towards her enemies. If given the option, she will crush her enemies until nothing left of them remains. This was discussed earlier in the Quest when Lady Cai showed that she uses a Dao and people were talking about what symbolism that represented. Yrs commented that ruthlessness towards enemies was a character trait of hers. Furthermore, she is ruthless in the means she will use to acquire compliance from people trying to stop her from her objectives. This can be seen when blackmail was employed by Lady Cai to elicit agreement from the older influential Sect members.

Next, she is adaptable. When a tactic is not working, she will switch up the means of achieving her ends. This can be seen by her comment regarding her weakness towards the more covert aspects of politics and how useful they can be. If browbeating people with superior firepower is not working, she can and will change to better suit her agenda.

She is also honest about her abilities. She acknowledged her lack of skill in the covert aspects of politics and the weakness in managing a political engine, to begin with. It's the entire purpose of her presence here in the sect, and she is taking the opportunity as a training session, a very demanding training session which she endeavors to meet with equal fervor (as seen when we went with her daily routine).

Which moves on to the next point, she is driven towards achieving her goals. Her goals seem to be firmly set in stone, and her objectives seem to be unchanging. While she may change tactics and strategies to achieve a goal, she has never changed an objective that we have seen. She determined to control the entire outer sect, even when controlling a smaller piece of it would have been exponentially easier.

Lastly, she is accepting, somewhat, of other people's taste and preferences. When we were having tea with her she switched up the tea when she noticed we didn't like the first blend. This is an absolutely vital skill when dealing with high-level politics, and it is nice that she already has it.

So, in conclusion. She demands and expects an orderly existence but she recognizes that she might not have control over that order. Obstacles and enemies in her way will be ruthlessly eliminated to the largest extent possible, with the condition that an enemies place in the order may mitigate or enlarge the ruthlessness shown to them. However, she understands that she does not possess enough power to wreck everyone in her way, and as such is adaptive in her tactics and strategies to exploit the weaknesses of her enemies and obstacles. In that vein, she is also honest about her own weaknesses and strives to correct them before they become a problem. Because she is honest about her abilities, she sets goals and objectives that she realistically believe to be within her reach, and strives to achieve those goals using whatever means are possible. Lastly, she is accepting and understanding of other people's taste and preferences, and endeavors to accomendate them at some levels.

Alright, what is her idea of "order"? The system as it currently exists? Or are there any changes she wants to make? What's her objectives?
 
I'm gonna go ahead and point out something.

In a fuckton of ancient china setting novels, there are a LOT of arranged marriages. Mostly, the absolute nature of an Emperors decree means this person is wise and virtuous and will be the ideal spouse to this person, and that's that. Any critique of this decision is beyond the public opinion on pain of being anti-royalty/treasonous to think that the Emperor could be wrong. Rejection of this is probably worse than death.

This gets settled down to further to noble familes which mull over prospects and alliances and wealth and titles to assign marriages. Of course both clans have to mutually agree to make a wedding happen between the families. However, for servants and the like, this gets way less about benefits and more about punishment sometimes, where you might send a servant who didn't follow the house rules into marriage with another servant as punishment, etc. Marry them off and force them away. (servants are oftentimes more like slaves) These cases are insular mostly, but technically its possible for many men of wealth and means to pressgang someone of lesser means into "marriage" aka. make them into your concubine. When you commit a crime against a family as a servant, you don't hope for your life, you hope they don't kill your entire family as well.

Basically if you're under a family in these cases, they have power over you. It's possible to fight an assigned marriage, but social hits and potential backlash from the family in this cases cause a lot of problems which can make life worse than death. Unless you get society on your side with a sob story about how you're actually filial/virtuous, but there are circumstances which is why you HAD to go against your family.

So if the other party isn't completely unsuitable in some way, you're expected to fulfill your duty to your family.

This gets further complicated by the misogynistic attitude towards women and their roles in these settings, which is tempered by cultivation in this case, which relies a bit on individual power level and their own capability moreso than potential outsiders. However, I bet that it's not all incorrect, so forced marriages are guaranteed to happen, though of course making both parties agree to a marriage is ideal.

Ummm... I don't remember seeing much of higher-noble-dictates-marriage-to-lower-noble in novels. Do you have some examples?

(Note that LIng Qi, while a retainer, would be a noble in her own right, if I understand the offer. So she wouldn't be the kind of house-servant you're thinking of. And, of course, cultivation means someone's personal power is often a significant asset - on par or superior with their social weight. A forced marriage from an authority were pretty rare and usually serves some fairly narrow purposes - none of which would apply here.)

EDIT: No, really. Ling Qi's value comes from her personal prowess, which makes "trying to force her to settle down in marriage" not very productive. And there's no matter of out-of-wedlock childbirth or the like either.

And there's been absolutely no sign of this kind of "order from above" marriage going on here. Xiulan's pressure comes from her family, not Han Jian's, and it'd be through convincing her family that she'd be a better asset unmarried than married that she's trying to get out of it.
 
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Any less than four breakthrough actions is just mucking around. We're ready, our arts are ready, there's very little to wait on. Certainly not minors beyond one or two.

The problem is that we can't clean up our minor action docket and do a full four action breakthrough.

It just can't be done. We have to sacrifice something in that case, and we have at least two minors that pretty much have to be done (The one that lets us know about the Surrender, and Zeqing's), which automatically rules out closed door.

Now, 5 majors with four breakthroughs and one minor covering either Zeqing or Zhengui could be doable. Which leaves us the three minors--again, which can be divided up appropriately.
 
Like, if Shenhua's going to micromanage us if we sign on with Renxiang, in complete defiance of the whole "I'm going to let my heiress sink or swim on her own" thing that she's doing, then she's probably going to fuck us over regardless of what we do, because "If you're not under my thumb you're a potential problem in the future, and must be quashed proactively lest you influence my heir in some fashion."

There are genuine reasons to not want to sign on with Renxiang--one good one for instance is that she's likely going to be a central figure in the upcoming Troubles, and being one step removed from her means that we're also going to be a major player in the Troubles, which is going to be a problem. But "Because Shenhua might muscle past her and poach us and remove our free will" isn't one of them. Because the very fact that people exist in this province who aren't her brainwashed slaves sort of disproves this.
To add to this point yrs outright said that Shenhua would show an interest in Ling Qi if she somehow managed to luck* herself into being an entire** cultivation Realm ahead of Renxiang, and that was simply her viewing that as the base level for Ling Qi to be considered worth any of her time at all.

*This is the type of "luck" that people are referring to when they talk about xiania protagonist "luck".
*As in if say Renxiang got stuck at Green, and Ling Qi broke through to Indigo before Renxiang reached Cyan.
 
To add to this point yrs outright said that Shenhua would show an interest in Ling Qi if she somehow managed to luck* herself into being an entire** cultivation Realm ahead of Renxiang, and that was simply her viewing that as the base level for Ling Qi to be considered worth any of her time at all.

*This is the type of "luck" that people are referring to when they talk about xiania protagonist "luck".
*As in if say Renxiang got stuck at Green, and Ling Qi broke through to Indigo before Renxiang reached Cyan.

Indeed. And even that interest would likely take the form of "I want you as an disciple" or the like than "I must marry you off to preserve your genes!*" I wager her attention would be more on "Renxiang, why are you not as talented/working as hard as your retainer?"

Not to mention she's not particularly in favor of marriage herself...


* Not to mention, again, cultivator lifespans. Ling Qi isn't going to be past child-bearing age for a long time. And by the time she starts getting to the age (and notability of her holding) where there'd be strong hints about her needing an heir, I'd rather hope she's gotten way up there in cultivation, making it less likely that stronger 'hints' would need to be taken seriously.
 
Alright, what is her idea of "order"? The system as it currently exists? Or are there any changes she wants to make? What's her objectives?
Well, I can certainly answer the short-term objectives that she has. Her first short-term objective is the control of the outer sect, to restrain the violence and chaos that the outer sect demonstrated in the initial weeks of the Thunderdome, to reach the inner sect (presumably) and to demonstrate to her mother that she is capable of ruling the duchy.

Moving on to what her idea of "order" is, we get into the more speculative territory, but I'll do my best from memory! She seems to have an inkling that the system that is currently in place is not the best system and is in danger of falling apart. We can see this in the first conversation that Lady Cai has with Ling Qi, as well as subsequent conversations with GG and Lady Cai's difficulty in expressing her viewpoint about the system without saying something that would implicate her as bad mouthing the Empire.

So, it seems that she does not agree with the system as it currently is, and if I am remembering correctly there were some implications that she does not agree with the system that her mother has set up either. So there would be changes to that system. I don't think that the system will cause more oppression to the nobles, but rather a reduction of oppression in some areas while tightening down on others. She clearly needs help to control the outer sect, so she can't govern like her mother so some oppression needs to be reduced in order to have advisors she can trust.

To me, it seems like Lady Cai wants to create an order where chaos and discord are suppressed as much as possible, not because of her overwhelming force but because people don't want the chaos and discord. To show them an alternative system where they still have the freedom to do certain things as they please but are happier and more productive because of the order and wish to keep that order.

Of course, I could be completely wrong regarding that last hypothetical, but based on what is occurring in the outer sect it seems like as good of a guess as any.
 
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I don't think that's how the vassalage system works? Either way, we would become the personal retainers of Lady Cai, not vassals to the Cai family. We are not nearly important enough or powerful enough to be the direct vassals of a White. We would be the tools that Lady Cai uses to demonstrate that she is fit to rule the Duchy after the Duchess bites the dust (or ascends). The Duchess interfering with that process would defeat the whole purpose of testing the potential heir.


I mean, I can help you out if you like?

First off, we know that a core aspect of her character is Order. As in, everything has their place and should perform to expectation and in relation to their place. This is a key trait that she has inherited from her mother, but has actually twisted it to fit her place in the world and her own capabilities. Cai is big on Order, respecting authority, and having a place in the world (as seen with the conversation after legal studies where she mentioned only loyalty to the Emperor is higher than loyalty to family).

Next, she is ruthless towards her enemies. If given the option, she will crush her enemies until nothing left of them remains. This was discussed earlier in the Quest when Lady Cai showed that she uses a Dao and people were talking about what symbolism that represented. Yrs commented that ruthlessness towards enemies was a character trait of hers. Furthermore, she is ruthless in the means she will use to acquire compliance from people trying to stop her from her objectives. This can be seen when blackmail was employed by Lady Cai to elicit agreement from the older influential Sect members.

Next, she is adaptable. When a tactic is not working, she will switch up the means of achieving her ends. This can be seen by her comment regarding her weakness towards the more covert aspects of politics and how useful they can be. If browbeating people with superior firepower is not working, she can and will change to better suit her agenda.

She is also honest about her abilities. She acknowledged her lack of skill in the covert aspects of politics and the weakness in managing a political engine, to begin with. It's the entire purpose of her presence here in the sect, and she is taking the opportunity as a training session, a very demanding training session which she endeavors to meet with equal fervor (as seen when we went with her daily routine).

Which moves on to the next point, she is driven towards achieving her goals. Her goals seem to be firmly set in stone, and her objectives seem to be unchanging. While she may change tactics and strategies to achieve a goal, she has never changed an objective that we have seen. She determined to control the entire outer sect, even when controlling a smaller piece of it would have been exponentially easier.

Lastly, she is accepting, somewhat, of other people's taste and preferences. When we were having tea with her she switched up the tea when she noticed we didn't like the first blend. This is an absolutely vital skill when dealing with high-level politics, and it is nice that she already has it.

So, in conclusion. She demands and expects an orderly existence but she recognizes that she might not have control over that order. Obstacles and enemies in her way will be ruthlessly eliminated to the largest extent possible, with the condition that an enemies place in the order may mitigate or enlarge the ruthlessness shown to them. However, she understands that she does not possess enough power to wreck everyone in her way, and as such is adaptive in her tactics and strategies to exploit the weaknesses of her enemies and obstacles. In that vein, she is also honest about her own weaknesses and strives to correct them before they become a problem. Because she is honest about her abilities, she sets goals and objectives that she realistically believe to be within her reach, and strives to achieve those goals using whatever means are possible. Lastly, she is accepting and understanding of other people's taste and preferences, and endeavors to accomendate them at some levels.

CRX also gets massive points in my eyes for devoting a fair bit of her time and attention to intimately learning the duties of each subordinate position in order to know exactly what kind is person is needed to fulfill them.
 
Well, I can certainly answer the short-term objectives that she has. Her first short-term objective is the control of the outer sect, to restrain the violence and chaos that the outer sect demonstrated in the initial weeks of the Thunderdome, to reach the inner sect (presumably) and to demonstrate to her mother that she is capable of ruling the duchy.

Moving on to what her idea of "order" is, we get into the more speculative territory, but I'll do my best from memory! She seems to have an inclining that the system that is currently in place is not the best system and is in danger of falling apart. We can see this in the first conversation that Lady Cai has with Ling Qi, as well as subsequent conversations with GG and Lady Cai's difficulty in expressing her viewpoint about the system without saying something that would implicate her as bad mouthing the Empire.

So, it seems that she does not agree with the system as it currently is, and if I am remembering correctly there were some implications that she does not agree with the system that her mother has set up either. So there would be changes to that system. I don't think that the system will cause more oppression to the nobles, but rather a reduction of oppression in some areas while tightening down on others. She clearly needs help to control the outer sect, so she can't govern like her mother so some oppression needs to be reduced in order to have advisors she can trust.

To me, it seems like Lady Cai wants to create an order where chaos and discord are suppressed as much as possible, not because of her overwhelming force but because people don't want the chaos and discord. To show them an alternative system where they still have the freedom to certain things as they please but are happier and more productive because of the order and wish to keep that order.

Of course, I could be completely wrong regarding that last hypothetical, but based on what is occurring in the outer sect it seems like as good of a guess as any.

Hmmm...

The cynical side of me doubts whether CRX can actually change the system for the better, or that she'll be able to successfully step out from her mother's methods, and create an order that people want to follow rather than an order they are forced to follow. And I'm doubtful that Ling Qi can meaningfully affect that.

But I'll need to see more of Cai before I make anymore judgments. And as much as I may like or hate Cai, I also like the Sect. But a lot of this could change, depending on what kind of answers we get from Cai, if we ever ask her anymore questions.
 
Ummm... I don't remember seeing much of higher-noble-dictates-marriage-to-lower-noble in novels. Do you have some examples?
Mostly this happens with Emperor decrees, and A LOT of female oriented fiction, because in this political situation/society. it's easier to make your male lead stand out as totally amazing with very little standards. (oh my your husband Doesn't have ANY CONCUBINES? Not even one? Wow he must be whipped or the wife's a jealous shrew who doesn't care about her husband's future offspring , a saint!!!) I can name a few, but generally this kind of arranged marriage politicking is heavily a background event/minor character story, and the main leads are more important and get the emperors attention for a reason or something. Chaos of Beauty, Eight Treasures Trousseau, To be a Virtuous Wife, the Mistaken Marriage Match series.....

(Note that LIng Qi, while a retainer, would be a noble in her own right, if I understand the offer. So she wouldn't be the kind of house-servant you're thinking of. And, of course, cultivation means someone's personal power is often a significant asset - on par or superior with their social weight. A forced marriage from an authority were pretty rare and usually serves some fairly narrow purposes - none of which would apply here.)

EDIT: No, really. Ling Qi's value comes from her personal prowess, which makes "trying to force her to settle down in marriage" not very productive. And there's no matter of out-of-wedlock childbirth or the like either.

And there's been absolutely no sign of this kind of "order from above" marriage going on here. Xiulan's pressure comes from her family, not Han Jian's, and it'd be through convincing her family that she'd be a better asset unmarried than married that she's trying to get out of it.
Okay, note that I did not talk about Ling Qi in this because it mostly doesn't apply, and I was refuting the two sentences I quoted.

Again, cultivation affects this a lot. The time limit expands by a great deal, power which is mostly represented by money and status in those cases, can be reverted to Raw Power/Ability Cultivation-wise, and children are more or less important as potential powerhouses/bargaining chips if not a powerhouse. Passing down the family name isn't as big of a deal considering the lifespan of cultivators.

However, we did get info that you are expected to have a child eventually, and there's inevitably going to be some pressure to that. I don't think this will come up at all in our case, but it is an example of the standard.

Since cultivation does kind of replace status/money, it's definitely more likely that there are more "emperor" figures who you can't really disobey as such. And the more capable people in a family have higher influence over the family resources (which include family members unless they're particularly useful in another way.) The power in this case can be used as threats and etc. Ling Qi's mundane family could be a future liability in this case. Of course, Ling Qi is quite a standout talent, but its not guaranteed that she won't face any kind of related pressure from a position as a vassal.

That's also beside my point because I wasn't arguing for her case. I want to take the Gu Tai action. Talk with him clearly, and cleanly reject the case, but building up a potential link to future exploration if we want to go for that when we're free of military duty.
 
The cynical side of me doubts whether CRX can actually change the system for the better, or that she'll be able to successfully step out from her mother's methods, and create an order that people want to follow rather than an order they are forced to follow. And I'm doubtful that Ling Qi can meaningfully affect that.
Well, Lady Cai will be forced to step out of her Mother's shadow. The Duchess is a freak of nature that is insanely powerful at an unbelievably young age. The chances that Lady Cai can replicate that is next to nil.

Since she can't rule like her mother can, she has to change the system to better fit her ability to rule. We can see the beginnings of that in the Council that she formed. She is good at politicking, and not just using overwhelming power to achieve her means. So I believe the system will be changed, and it will be changed to where people want to support Lady Cai simply because Lady Cai can't rule any other way. She doesn't have the power or force to force people to follow her. If Meizhen didn't agree to be a part of the coalition that beat up Sun Liling, then Cai had a good chance to lose that war instead of Sun Liling.

As for Ling Qi meaningfully affecting the creation of such an order, if we are a retainer of Lady Cai we will have the ability to shape the order that is formed. Our stealth and thievery skills allow getting information that would otherwise be unobtainable, and that information can be used by Lady Cai to great effect in her politicking efforts to create coalitions in order to achieve her goals.
 
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I heavily dislike the conditionals but --

It's Time to Breakthrough ALREADY!!! There's nothing pressing cultivation-wise!!! Everything important Waiting for Breakthrough!!!

STOP DELAYING!!!!!!!!!!
The conditionals are to maximize the number of actual breakthrough attempts, rather than cultivating to recover from a failed breakthrough. Especially since a second spiritual cultivation attempt in the same week has half efficiency.
 
If you want to maximise the odds of getting green, you want Yeangst's plan. Blockade Barriers breakthrough gives us 45% odds of green. Going all in like Yeangst does gives us ~76% odds of green.
Geh... I can feel my brain shorting out trying to decide between going for the breakthrough gold and sacrificing a bunch of social actions or try to have our cake and eat it since Bronze isn't necessary for the majority of our arts.

Meh, don't think it will matter since neither of the two plans I like are even halfway to the current leader, but I like to pretend I'm making a difference.

And as for the ongoing post-sect debate, the Gu route seems to make us Indiana Jones, the Cai route makes us James Bond, and the Bai route makes us Lily (Evans) Potter. Okay, maybe not Lily, but I couldn't think of a more martial/intrigue-y unrequited love comparison. Anywho, all of these look fun as hell, so I'll reserve judgement. Again, not that it matters at this point.
 
The problem is that we can't clean up our minor action docket and do a full four action breakthrough.

It just can't be done. We have to sacrifice something in that case, and we have at least two minors that pretty much have to be done (The one that lets us know about the Surrender, and Zeqing's), which automatically rules out closed door.

Now, 5 majors with four breakthroughs and one minor covering either Zeqing or Zhengui could be doable. Which leaves us the three minors--again, which can be divided up appropriately.
And why is Zeqing mandatory? It's certainly not literally mandatory like Cai.

The GM is not above some subtle trolling. What maes you think that next week won't come with a whole new set of seemingly unskippable minors?
 
Making uptight nobles chill the fuck out with our Ling Qi-ness is half the fun of this quest. Being CRX's sassy Court Ninja while trying to not look at Gan's abs and still hanging out with Meizhen is why I'm in favor of taking Cai's offer. Also, Mom lives in this province and being a retainer of the provincial heir means we can shit all over the people who are hassling her (which I think is actually a covert op from one of our rivals to obliquely fuckle with us) and also give her and Little Sis a good life without making them uproot.
 
The conditionals are to maximize the number of actual breakthrough attempts, rather than cultivating to recover from a failed breakthrough. Especially since a second spiritual cultivation attempt in the same week has half efficiency.
I was thinking something like this might be a little cleaner:

[] 6 x breakthrough: spiritual
-- If breakthrough: spiritual is unavailable, then breakthrough: physical.
-- If no breakthrough is possible, cultivate whichever of spiritual or physical is closer to peak.

Kind of hard to leave the Zeqing and Meizhen minors both on the table, though.
 
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The problem is that we can't clean up our minor action docket and do a full four action breakthrough.

It just can't be done. We have to sacrifice something in that case, and we have at least two minors that pretty much have to be done (The one that lets us know about the Surrender, and Zeqing's), which automatically rules out closed door.

Now, 5 majors with four breakthroughs and one minor covering either Zeqing or Zhengui could be doable. Which leaves us the three minors--again, which can be divided up appropriately.
Yes we can.

Four breakthrough actions means that one cultivation action by cannot be wasted, either we've broken through into Green or we've failed (drug reroll) and failed again. We can attach to that cultivation action and take three more minors, which clears up our minor action docket fine. Plus yrsillar approved a double attach. So we can still do 5 minors, and that gets us Meizhen, Zeqing, Cai Council, and two more on the side besides. That's basically what a 5-action breakthrough would look like anyway.
 
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