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Can we make sure whatever plan wins, we at least make sure we're doing the Cai and Bai Embrodiery Session?
 
Honestly, the thing that bothers me the most about this long term planning is that we only have one example of music. I'd really like to see what a damage dealing music art looks like.
 
TheLastOne said:
I don't think that would work; accessing the archives is in line with hiring a tutor, so you probably can expect to get an art from a tutor. I was thinking of using a favor from Cai here. We've earned a couple, and she's the most connected outer sect discipline at this point.
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Well the argent arts seem to be fairely widely known in the inner sect. Why not go " Hey, 30 sect points for teaching me the argent mystery art to the first level or providing me with the instructional material necessary for achieving the first level in that art".

This doesn't seem so outrageous.
 
Kian said:
Well the argent arts seem to be fairely widely known in the inner sect. Why not go " Hey, 30 sect points for teaching me the argent mystery art to the first level or providing me with the instructional material necessary for achieving the first level in that art".

This doesn't seem so outrageous.
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Hmm, I would support it IF it's valid. Let's ask -

@yrsillar, would @Kian's idea here work and be valid?
 
drake_azathoth said:
...It debuffs, degrades armor, and creates low-light conditions we can use SCS in. Only unlike FVM it does so silently and without occupyng our hands.

This was the first art for FVM at first level in contrast.

'Mist of the Vale: o
Cost 3
The users melody causes a light mist to roll forth from their flute. The mist is filled with deceptive shadows and sounds, and weakens the light within to low light. The mist can spread up to a twenty meter radius centered the user. All single target techniques targeted at the user suffer a two dice penalty. The user gains a two die bonus at stealth attempts within the mist. The user may spend an additional two qi to extend these benefits to a single ally. This technique persist as long as the user continues to play and up to three turns afterward.'
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If there's a sweet short range archery art we could easily go all poison cloud Legolas-fu on people.

Fundamentally my problem is that music is a much sweeter theme. Mechanically though AE slots in a lot better.
 
drake_azathoth said:
...It debuffs, degrades armor, and creates low-light conditions we can use SCS in. Only unlike FVM it does so silently and without occupyng our hands.
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It also fails to play well with FVM, interrupting Flute play and requiring additional Qi to insulate allies when we've already paid once with FVM. And it operates on a Mastery that don't use basically anywhere else, while getting all of ZERO bonuses from our other arts and passives.

TheLastOne said:
I would suggest we keep using it until it's time to sunset our yellow techniques. We don't need to aggressively change our game-plan, just lets things that don't synergize fall by the wayside over time.
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But to be clear, your idea is to start phasing FVM out of our build, albeit not necessarily aggressively. Correct?
 
Thor's Twin said:
A couple of reasons.
1) The job provides sect points, which we need for either tutoring or getting 3rd level archive arts.
2) I would rather wait closer to the time of the competition so that we could steal either more valuable components or a whole working piece of art.
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When are you actually intending to have the breakthrough attempts though? We want it sooner rather than later (and if someone says breakthrough bonuses I will scream post a rant about the misinterpretation of them), and given the fact that the fourth argent art possibly does give Ling Qi a bonus I assume the thread would want to find it before the breakthrough attempt and thus Ling Qi best shot is to help Fu Xiang.
 
Frankly, I'd rather see if it's viable to make the flute more combat capable.

Comparing FVM to FSA is kind of like comparing FZ or TRF to FSA.

Not really in the same category.
 
SITB said:
When are you actually intending to have the breakthrough attempts though? We want it sooner rather than later (and if someone says breakthrough bonuses I will scream post a rant about the misinterpretation of them), and given the fact that the fourth argent art possibly does give Ling Qi a bonus I assume the thread would want to find it before the breakthrough attempt and thus Ling Qi best shot is to help Fu Xiang.
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The intention of a breakthrough attempt, to my understanding, is in week 37/38/39. Somewhere in there.

As for the information that a fourth art completes the set and gives a bonus, I'm not convinced that the bonus is based on the breakthrough but rather having all four equipped at the same time. That's what the language seemed to indicate to me at least. Especially since there was no context for the language in terms of breaking through for the bonus.
 
Asael said:
Frankly, I'd rather see if it's viable to make the flute more combat capable.

Comparing FVM to FSA is kind of like comparing FZ or TRF to FSA.

Not really in the same category.
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It isn't a question of making the flute more capable - it is a question of narrowing our build.

I personally like music quite a bit, but I respect a proposal to drop it entirely on the grounds that we aren't actually doing much of it, and the less things we do the better of we are going to be.
 
PrimalShadow said:
It isn't a question of making the flute more capable - it is a question of narrowing our build.

I personally like music quite a bit, but I respect a proposal to drop it entirely on the grounds that we aren't actually doing much of it, and the less things we do the better of we are going to be.
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The Flute is literally Ling Qi's go to in every fight. It's the bow we hardly ever use.
 
SITB said:
When are you actually intending to have the breakthrough attempts though? We want it sooner rather than later (and if someone says breakthrough bonuses I will scream post a rant about the misinterpretation of them), and given the fact that the fourth argent art possibly does give Ling Qi a bonus I assume the thread would want to find it before the breakthrough attempt and thus Ling Qi best shot is to help Fu Xiang.
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We are planning on breakthrough week 37/38.

So, here is the plan I want. It is aimed at getting FSA5/FZ5 the week after the upcoming one and getting TRF4 back on track for 3 actions via a tutor that week. It is also getting AS equipped.

The reason I am not training AE is because we are actually close enough to AE2 we will get it via a stealth roll, and we can't actually get AE3 before breakthrough. Basically, training AE before breakthrough should only happen if we get caught in breakthrough hell.

[X] Plan Meridians are Dorks.
-[X] market pills: relevant ones
-[X] rare pills : none
-[X] Overflow: Physical

I will notify Yrsillar the costs/etc of pills for any plans. I think that the pills of market are making things a bit too obtuse, and it's better if someone just tells Yrs what relevant ones we take and how much they cost after the plans are made. We aren't lacking money.

-[X] Grinning Moon blessing : FZ
Because we want to keep Highsun for actually difficult meridians… unless people feel really uncomfortable with this.

Major actions
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[X] Meridian : arm
--[X] Share Growing Caverns for Su Ling and Li Suyin after getting Meizhen's OK. Ask them to keep an eye out for Wood sites if possible.

Because we really want that wood site, and Li Suyin is Earth/Water, and Su Ling Mountain

-[X] Take a job
--[X] Passion Fruit Collection

Odds of getting Wood site, and 35 sect points. Also, meta-wise, we know Yan Renshu is being busy because of Meizhen, making it harder on him for stopping us. It won't last long.

-[X] Train with Meizhen
--[X] TRF
--[X] Meizhen held something back in your last conversation. Press her on it, it seemed that she had some idea that might allow them to stay together
--[X] Has she found any wood site? If so, is she looking for any sites in particular for trade for knowing its location?
Keeping us on track for TRF4

-[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[X] FSA
--[X] Use Windblown Snowfield for FSA site.
So we can get FSA5 next week.

-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] Meridian : spine
--[X] Spend a little time with your 'bodyguards. You should at least know what they can do in a fight
So we can equip FSA5 next turn.

Minor actions
-[X] Spend further time around Cai Renxiang, try to get into her head a little, and see what the girl is really like
-[X] Xiulan's family apparently wants to talk to you, you should probably see to that
-[X] Spend some time with Zeqing, you should try to better understand the snow woman, so that you don't end up offending her

I think Zeqing is necessary as we brought Sun Liling to her last time, Meizhen is necessary so we understand what's going on, Cai is necesarry if we want to build our relationship, our retainers are necessary if we want to see them as people, and Xiulan is necessary because we haven't seen her for more than a month now.
 
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[X] Plan AE is Forbidden
-[X] Resources
--[X] Purchased and used: Vigorous Sapling (2rs); 2nd level wood pill (6rs); Channel Cleansing Pill (2rs); Heavy Rains Pill (10rs), Bear Marrow Elixir (4rs), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10rs), White Hart Elixir (6rs), Steady Growth Pill (8rs), Sturdy Oak Pill (18rs)
--[X] Used from Inventory: Highsun Pill, 3 Red Spirit Stones; 1 Yellow Spirit Stone (Total cost: 69rs, 1ys, 1 Highsun Pill)
--[X] Overflow to physical
--[X] EPC Bonus to Fleeting Zypher
-[X] Main Actions
--[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
---[X] Thousand Ring Fortress
---[X] Work on formations with Li Suyin, working on a project with your friend will be fun
--[X] Take a job
---[X] Passion Fruit Collection
--[X] Train with Meizhen
---[X] Arm Meridian
---[X] Meizhen held something back in your last conversation. Press her on it, it seemed that she had some idea that might allow them to stay together
--[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
---[X] Arm Meridian
--[X] Cultivate on your own
---[X] Spine Meridian
-[X] Minor Actions
--[X] Spend a little time with your 'bodyguards. You should at least know what they can do in a fight
--[X] Xiulan's family apparently wants to talk to you, you should probably see to that
--[X] Spend some time with Zeqing, you should try to better understand the snow woman, so that you don't end up offending her


Swapped AE for another Meridian, and added Highsun Pill.
 
Alectai said:
Can we make sure whatever plan wins, we at least make sure we're doing the Cai and Bai Embrodiery Session?
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A couple of people have brought up and I agree with the thought that we let them have their own thing.

Meizhan needs friends besides her roomie and her sleeve snek. And frankly, Cai needs friends too, not just minions.

It's good for the both of them. No need for us to shove our way in.

On a side note;

TheLastOne said:
I don't think that would work; accessing the archives is in line with hiring a tutor, so you probably can expect to get an art from a tutor. I was thinking of using a favor from Cai here. We've earned a couple, and she's the most connected outer sect discipline at this point.
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Yeah, I'd agree with this. Poke Cai find out if she's got any leads on the fourth Argent Art seems like a good idea.

Originally, I wanted all four because I'm a completionist, now I want them all because of possible bonuses.

Our only other option is to dedicate an action or two to exploring for trial sites and hope.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Which is why it is a bit of a surprising decision - but not necessarily a wrong one. Feel free to talk it out with @TheLastOne.
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My issue with going stealth archer (other than liking music more) - which I agree is viable - is that I see it as less well suited to Support. Music is fantastic for a Support. Stealth Archer is much more solo burst dps, with the main support arts we might take being something like Driving Zephyr.
 
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