To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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[X][SHIP1NAME] USS Ambassador
[X][SHIP1CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][SHIP2NAME] USS Enterprise
[X][SHIP2CREW] Explorer Corps
If we want to crew our next wave of Ambassadors, are we going to have the option to retire current Explorer Corps ships so we can shuffle some of their crews onto newer ships?
Also, do we have any idea who we want to captain the USS Ambassador at this time?
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The way I read the situation is that this war is the result of us managing to peace both of them so well that they couldn't use us as a target for aggession anymore leaving only each other. Their cultures and relationship forced the rest
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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We have 2 2.5mt berths and enough 2s + upcoming 20% berth capacity increase tech to refit as many Excelsiors as we will need to. Especially since the refit won't be available until 2328-9 or so.
Amby refits can hopefully be timed with production waves so we can finish a production wave, slide in some returning FYMs for refit, and send them out again.
Over time, we'll grow to fill the berths, and they can always work on auxiliaries if needed. Repair space is about to stop being a problem given the upcoming tech that will let us use outposts and Starbases to do repairs.
We don't even have the tech to build berths or ships that large (should be getting it from the Honiani tho). I wouldn't worry about it, since we won't need a berth for the Galaxy until the end of the 2330s at the earliest, and we'll only need one to start with (for the prototype). Prototyping takes long enough we'll be able to add the larger berths during that time.
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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Time to get ready for a massive sophontitarian effort in the shattered empires.
Akik
A user feeling validated
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My understanding is that our completely accidental "blowfish strategy" of becoming too large to easily swallow succeeded.
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"The Federation? That's just a puffed-up blowfish. <poke>"
"... Judging by the bite marks, it looks more like a huge white one ..."
NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
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Well, duh:
[X][SHIP1NAME] USS Ambassador
[X][SHIP1CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][SHIP2NAME] USS Enterprise
[X][SHIP2CREW] Explorer Corps
That's a fine trolling, @OneirosTheWriter
[X][SHIP1NAME] USS Ambassador
[X][SHIP1CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][SHIP2NAME] USS Enterprise
[X][SHIP2CREW] Explorer Corps
That's a fine trolling, @OneirosTheWriter
Night
Widow Null
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IT'S THE POI!
[X][SHIP1NAME] USS Ambassador
[X][SHIP1CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][SHIP2NAME] USS Enterprise
[X][SHIP2CREW] Explorer Corps
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- Actually pretty lost
I know @OneirosTheWriter doesn't want to model the other sides of the Klingons and the Romulans, but the fact that they each saw the other as their least risky prospect for rapid expansion says some very alarming things about their other neighbours.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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Has the SDB looked at 5mt+ explorer designs? If the Honiani really do give us the 4000kt Shipyard Berth tech, then the 5000kt Shipyard Berth tech will open up and it's a 0 / 80 tech, so it's technically possible to have it researched by those early 2330s. (And since there's no ship tech for bigger scale Explorers at all, I'm not saying it's a good idea to go all in on an oversized Explorer, but I am curious just how many stats can be stuffed in a ship bigger than the canon Galaxy. (Though with tech that's maybe just-a-little-bit too early.)
There's nothing in the tech tree for scale of Explorers, unlike Frigates or Cruisers, so I'm led to believe that we just need bigger shipyard berths to build bigger Explorers.
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Or partially uncrewed.
AKuz
Been Better
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Or unable to get fuel, spare parts, or food.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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In short, no, larger ships are not cost-effective.
To expand on that... due to how costs scale up as ship size goes up (particularly in crew costs) larger hull sizes are probably not worthwhile with the technologies we have access to. At present it's debatable that a 4mt hull is an improvement over the Amby's 3.1mt. 5mt would be a bloated whale with tremendous crew costs and likely only modest stat improvement over a 3400kt ship (the next step up from the Amby's hull).
This may change, as Oneiros did mention that we may unlock a new category of parts specific to larger ships, but at present it's not worth it to build larger ships. And we won't be wanting a new model Explorer until the late 30s/early 40s anyway.
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Peace Conference
Romulan Senator: Give us back our territory!
Klingon "Diplomat": No! We gained it in honorable battle!
Romulan:
Klingon:
Sulu: How about a compromise.
Romulan: ... go ahead.
Sulu: The Klingon's return the captured Romulan territory.
Klingon: And what do we get in return?
Sulu: We cede you the Enio Subsector in the Expanse.
Klingon: ...The Enio subsector?
Sulu: Yes, we'll leave all the infrastructure in place, even give you a bit of help setting it up.
Romulan: ...This seems odd.
Klingon: isn't that a freefire zone between you and the cowardly Cardassians?
Sulu: I've even heard they're planning an attack
Romulan:
Later:
Cardassian: Minions! Er, I mean, Valued allies! Today we begin our offensive in Enio, to drive the enemy back and claim our glorious destiny! This time we cannot fail!
Ashalla Pact: Huzzah!
Cardassian: Onwards to... wait, why do I heard chanting?
Klingons: Glory! Honor! Glory! Honor! Glory! Honor! Glory! Honor!
Ashalla Pact:
Federation: :lol
Harmony: *Furious Notetaking*
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It's funny how the dice go sometimes. If the Klingons hadn't managed to smash their way to the edge of Romulus this year, the Romulans would have won the war this year or the next.
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Is UP berth 3 really able to refit three centaurs in one year?
And I was expecting to be voting on the unnamed shipyards?
If we run out of EC, we just transfer crew from an EC Excelsior, then crew the Excelsior with regular crew. When we run out of regular crew to do that, we decommission older ships.
So basically there is a huge pool of EC crew available for the Ambassadors.
And I was expecting to be voting on the unnamed shipyards?
If we run out of EC, we just transfer crew from an EC Excelsior, then crew the Excelsior with regular crew. When we run out of regular crew to do that, we decommission older ships.
So basically there is a huge pool of EC crew available for the Ambassadors.
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[X][SHIP1NAME] USS Ambassador
[X][SHIP1CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][SHIP2NAME] USS Enterprise
[X][SHIP2CREW] Explorer Corps
I mean, obviously.
[X][SHIP1CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][SHIP2NAME] USS Enterprise
[X][SHIP2CREW] Explorer Corps
I mean, obviously.
Night
Widow Null
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This will wreck their capacity for offensive action, but for in-system defensive maneuvering it's not as big a deal, particularly since the BoPs are capable of atmospheric entry to help with local reprovisioning (and you can crack comet water for fusion reaction mass). The Klingons can't push the war home but they can probably still manage decent defensive stands. As it stands there's nothing preventing them from holding what they've taken, which isn't exactly the same thing as "verge of collapse"