- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
*Reads entire quest in 1 day*
WALKING THE PATH OF HEAVEN!
but yeah, consider me on board for this quest.
The more likely danger is her doing something like, say, Making a blizzard thats only slightly warmer around us than Liling. And honestly, right now, I'm not sure I mind too much.
Now is she going to coddle us? Fuck no. Especially not after we told her last time we don't exactly like having shit like that dropped on us from nowhere. She acted like she didn't understand, but would make sure to consider it.
Also, people expect Liling to not cripple or kill us.
Remind me what happened at the end of the last battle again? Remind me how much stronger she is now?
Yeah, no. More importantly, even if we survive, somehow without being crippled, she's going to take us for all we're worth. Strong take from the weak, that's her worldview. We'd have no resources, which would mean our growth would nosedive, opening us up to being mugged by pretty much everyone who now has a chance at taking out the Commoner who's doing better than many Nobles.
While I would expect Ling Qi to be suspicious after the fact, she would definitely protect the person she knows over those she doesn't. If she was later turning out to be used only for her strength from the beginning, then she'd cut off contact. But relying on her while still genuinely trying to be her friend? No, she'd be ok with it.
Difference is, one was never actually a friend, while the other was, and wants to be, but also needed help.
WALKING THE PATH OF HEAVEN!
but yeah, consider me on board for this quest.
Umm, that wasn't the main point of the death blizzard
We wanted help with our music, we got help! Halping is great!
The more likely danger is her doing something like, say, Making a blizzard thats only slightly warmer around us than Liling. And honestly, right now, I'm not sure I mind too much.
Now is she going to coddle us? Fuck no. Especially not after we told her last time we don't exactly like having shit like that dropped on us from nowhere. She acted like she didn't understand, but would make sure to consider it.
Also, people expect Liling to not cripple or kill us.
Remind me what happened at the end of the last battle again? Remind me how much stronger she is now?
Yeah, no. More importantly, even if we survive, somehow without being crippled, she's going to take us for all we're worth. Strong take from the weak, that's her worldview. We'd have no resources, which would mean our growth would nosedive, opening us up to being mugged by pretty much everyone who now has a chance at taking out the Commoner who's doing better than many Nobles.
And this pertains to Ling Qi how, exactly?
While I would expect Ling Qi to be suspicious after the fact, she would definitely protect the person she knows over those she doesn't. If she was later turning out to be used only for her strength from the beginning, then she'd cut off contact. But relying on her while still genuinely trying to be her friend? No, she'd be ok with it.
Difference is, one was never actually a friend, while the other was, and wants to be, but also needed help.
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This is the equivalent of a neighborhood kitten that you occasionally feed and play with running up to you while chased by a puppy and both start running around your ankles. You'd be unlikely to just kick them both away no?
- Location
- Cyberspace
How annoying - she's got a "you no sense me" art and can track.
Note that she has a powerful spirit, and her goal her is to either damage Ling Qi's ability to harass her or to administer a lesson (probably more the former than latter; she's annoyingly practical at times). So she will turn it into a two-Green-on-one-Yellow if she needs to.
And the consequences from losing might range from "and don't do that again" to "Ling Qi's a bit hurt" to "... and loses the dress" (most likely from context) to "... and loses a lot else" to "locked up and needing to be rescued" to all kinds of other unpleasant things.
If Ling Qi is looking to gain advantage, Sun Liling will bring out her spirit, I can almost guarantee it. Flying swords, esoteric arts... whatever she has, she's almost certain to use it if she needs to to win.
Ling Qi's hope in fighting is either (a) she's able to disengage, (b) there's an interrupt or (c) Sun Liling ends up being fine with just showing who's boss and demanding Ling Qi promise to not go after her base.
Note that while Sun Liling has declared she's pretty good at tracking, she needed info from Yan Renshu to find Ling Qi... and Ling Qi now gets the anti-tracking benefits as an automatic passive. If she gets a bit of a head start with mist and starts fleeing in an unexpected direction, she could well lose the other girl (it *is* a long trip).
Or Ling Qi could well evade countermeasures against fleeing toward allies - and, of course, she'd have a better chance of alerting said allies and turning it into a group fight.
Actually... not when it comes to Forgotten Vale Melody and music-fueled attacks. The specialty jumps Ling Qi up a bit, I believe...
Note that she has a powerful spirit, and her goal her is to either damage Ling Qi's ability to harass her or to administer a lesson (probably more the former than latter; she's annoyingly practical at times). So she will turn it into a two-Green-on-one-Yellow if she needs to.
And the consequences from losing might range from "and don't do that again" to "Ling Qi's a bit hurt" to "... and loses the dress" (most likely from context) to "... and loses a lot else" to "locked up and needing to be rescued" to all kinds of other unpleasant things.
If Ling Qi is looking to gain advantage, Sun Liling will bring out her spirit, I can almost guarantee it. Flying swords, esoteric arts... whatever she has, she's almost certain to use it if she needs to to win.
Ling Qi's hope in fighting is either (a) she's able to disengage, (b) there's an interrupt or (c) Sun Liling ends up being fine with just showing who's boss and demanding Ling Qi promise to not go after her base.
Note that while Sun Liling has declared she's pretty good at tracking, she needed info from Yan Renshu to find Ling Qi... and Ling Qi now gets the anti-tracking benefits as an automatic passive. If she gets a bit of a head start with mist and starts fleeing in an unexpected direction, she could well lose the other girl (it *is* a long trip).
Or Ling Qi could well evade countermeasures against fleeing toward allies - and, of course, she'd have a better chance of alerting said allies and turning it into a group fight.
Actually... not when it comes to Forgotten Vale Melody and music-fueled attacks. The specialty jumps Ling Qi up a bit, I believe...
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One strategy I don't know if we've considered is just using Crescent's Grace to run down the cliffside. They'll definitely be prepared for us to fly, they've seen that, but I'm not 100% sold on the idea that they will be prepared for us to run. Crescent's Grace is a really good movement art. Makes us even faster, adds six defensive dice, ignores 90 degree angles and terrain penalties, which means ice and snow and suchlike and also lets us cross water.
That's crazy, and it's not the kind of movement ability they'd expect- remember, one level ago it was only useful for 45 degree angles, not sheer vertical cliffs.
If we can last a turn, we can activate 'Formless Shade' and find some crevices to move through that they won't be able to follow us through so easily or track us so well. Sun Liling also sucks at being subtle and there is a good chance if we even get close to the main area that somebody is going to come riding to our rescue.
'One With Shadow' isn't going to cut it, as it is cancelled by taking damage.
[X] Take a dive off the cliff and head for the safety of your allies. You can't honestly believe that Sun Liling doesn't have some countermeasures for this though.
-[X] Rather than using your gown to try to fly as they'd expect, activate 'Crescent's Grace' and run/jump down the cliff at speed. Take advantage of the cover on the cliff to limit the directions you can be attacked.
That's crazy, and it's not the kind of movement ability they'd expect- remember, one level ago it was only useful for 45 degree angles, not sheer vertical cliffs.
If we can last a turn, we can activate 'Formless Shade' and find some crevices to move through that they won't be able to follow us through so easily or track us so well. Sun Liling also sucks at being subtle and there is a good chance if we even get close to the main area that somebody is going to come riding to our rescue.
'One With Shadow' isn't going to cut it, as it is cancelled by taking damage.
[X] Take a dive off the cliff and head for the safety of your allies. You can't honestly believe that Sun Liling doesn't have some countermeasures for this though.
-[X] Rather than using your gown to try to fly as they'd expect, activate 'Crescent's Grace' and run/jump down the cliff at speed. Take advantage of the cover on the cliff to limit the directions you can be attacked.
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Using her own net arrows against her would be hilarious and also a pretty decent insult. I suspect she has something to break out, but our archery is our best offensive pool, and it'll slow her.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
- Location
- USoA
Because escalation is one of SV favorite pastimes.
- Location
- my house
Really? If I saw one of my sort of friends being chased by an enemy I wouldn't be mad at them for asking for my help. That just seems really backwards to me
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Im still amazed people think she isn't going to help us when that literally something she's never done.
The music thing? We explicitly wanted her to help us improve, it's just what she did was unexpected and pushed on Qi's main Berserk Button
If she recognises that we want help to escape from a fucking sociopathic blood knight, she's most likely going to do just that, not stand by or say 'No fuc u', especially since we've never insulted her before.
This problem, much like the two other main occasions it's happened in this quest, could probably be averted if we explicitly ask her and give that choice to her.
The music thing? We explicitly wanted her to help us improve, it's just what she did was unexpected and pushed on Qi's main Berserk Button
If she recognises that we want help to escape from a fucking sociopathic blood knight, she's most likely going to do just that, not stand by or say 'No fuc u', especially since we've never insulted her before.
Pretty much this. While Ling may be slightly on edge afterwards, that would only be the case if she'd felt there had been no choice and it had been forced onto her.
This problem, much like the two other main occasions it's happened in this quest, could probably be averted if we explicitly ask her and give that choice to her.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
So basically what you are saying is because you are a terrible friend everyone else should be one too ?
Also, there's other possible results than all or nothing. Zequing could for exemple play arbitrator for a duel between the two of them, which would significantly raise Ling Qi's chances in a fight.
- Location
- Cyberspace
Ummm... blowing up a major sect is the kind of thing that gets Shao hunted down by the Empire. He's not the only White cultivator out there... and it's nowhere near his territory, to boot.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
- Location
- The Kei Klub
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Addressing all of you at the same time by saying this: First, all of you are underestimating our combat ability greatly. And, even if you aren't this should be a lesson to make sure that we're able to hold our own.
Second, we should absolutely stop fucking running to someone's skirt to defend us, regardless of losing or not. If we lose the dress, it's worth it to actually stand on our own two.
Last, Zequing likes us, but she does not think like us. She is not likely to help us and going up to her is just going to cause her to drop us by forcing her to see us as weak.
And, she is the type of spirit that disdains weakness, if you haven't noticed. And, that was 100% part of the lesson we learned last time as well. Do you not remember her being all, "If he dies, he dies." with us when we questioned her?
Do you not remember that being part of what shook Ling up, and why she was so against going back up there, because she felt Zequing didn't care if she killed us trying to make her stronger?
Also, we haven't been back in a week. We have no idea how Zequing herself would feel about us and our reaction. She could be dismissaful of us for treating her help this way after almost two weeks of stewing on your actions.
Note: One reason I favor 'run down the cliff' on balance is that getting to Zeqing at all is gonna be tough. It says right in the vote that it's a long way.
- Location
- Reno
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] ...Stay and fight. If she wants a duel she can have one. You aren't weak anymore.
- Location
- Cyberspace
The benefit of Zeqing being around isn't just that she might stop the fight (this is assuming Ling Qi isn't able to elude Sun Liling on the way - which she might be able to do). It's that she might well intervene to prevent things going "too far" (like crippling Ling Qi, bringing out a spirit to make it two-on-one or stripping her down).
EDIT: And, as people have pointed out, Yan Renshu is almost certainly willing to cripple or kill Ling Qi personally if there's nobody witnessing.
Not casting a vote myself since while I don't like Ling Qi accepting the duel - Zhengui, even if he were able to match Sun Liling's spirit, isn't here... no witnesses... etc etc - I'm neutral on which tactic is better.
Mountains is less likely to be expected, so fewer countermeasures in play. Sun Liling might say she's good at tracking, but Ling Qi is pretty good at anti-tracking... and is quite fast and sneaky, so losing a pursuer (and then taking a roundabout way back later) is viable. Zeqing might be able to/willing to either protect Ling Qi from some of the potential consequences of a lose or even the playing field in some respect, but I'm actually more hinging on Ling Qi's sneakery.
Down the cliff is more expected (although using SCS instead of flight probably less so) but is heading towards allies. It'd be more a race than a hunt early on, but given some cover and Ling Qi has a shot at evasion. The commotion is liable to attract attention, however, which is probably in Ling Qi's interest.
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- Location
- Earth
The Elders only care about people breaking the rules in certain circumstances, yes. However, I think what people are forgetting is that we might actually count as one of those circumstances because of Jiao. Sure, he'd probably let us be beaten up, looted to our small-clothes and possibly left tied up; it would be a lesson in not biting off more than you can chew and what losing feels like. Crippling us however would badly affect our chances in the tournament, which he (or at least Xin) would want to prevent.
Having said this, I still don't want to fight Sun.
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
Having said this, I still don't want to fight Sun.
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
- Location
- Canada
[X] Take a dive off the cliff and head for the safety of your allies. You can't honestly believe that Sun Liling doesn't have some countermeasures for this though.
-[X] Rather than using your gown to try to fly as they'd expect, activate 'Crescent's Grace' and run/jump down the cliff at speed. Take advantage of the cover on the cliff to limit the directions you can be attacked.
-[X] Rather than using your gown to try to fly as they'd expect, activate 'Crescent's Grace' and run/jump down the cliff at speed. Take advantage of the cover on the cliff to limit the directions you can be attacked.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
- Location
- The Kei Klub
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Another benefit of staying to fight is right there in the wording of the vote. "We're not weak anymore."
I feel like if we keep running we'll never stand and fight. Ever. And, honestly, that's incredibly disheartening for this quest and for Ling Qi as a person.
- Location
- USA
So @yrsillar , two things:
1) Probably the extra successes go towards AC 2, so we should be at 13/30 for AC2
2) We were told that the Black Pool 1/4 successes go towards spiritual cultivation couldn't be overflowed to physical cultivation, but I for one assumed that they would overflow to qi anyway. In this quest there hasn't been any way to totally lose successes, at least as far as I know. They've always overflowed somewhere, at least to qi. I totally understand that the spiritual cultivation at peak overflowing to physical is a little cheesy, but going towards qi doesn't seem that way at all to me. Qi is supposed to be the big sink that you just throw tons of successes towards in this system; each success is cheap to get but each success does much less for you then any other thing you can cultivate. Of course it's obviously your decision, just wanted to ask about it.
- Location
- North Carolina
So if we don't stand and fight here, we'll never stand and fight? Despite having done so in the past? Meizhen's ambush, Thunderdomes 1, 2, and 3, the Trial fight with the Giant, all of that becomes undone with this single decision?
...Are you forgetting the numerous times that Ling Qi decided to go out with her homie Gu Xiulan and start some shit with anyone she cared to, upperclassmen included? Or her numerous decisions to plunge head-first into situations that would likely mean a fight with superior foes? There's a difference between being brave and being stupid- outside of a shonen anime, when you decide to bring a knife to a gunfight to prove your bravery, it doesn't end well.
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