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Omniatrix said:
Finally, I do think that we should bring up that we were probably created by a wish if it seems like it will help build rapport. Frankly, there really isn't any other plausible explanation. Amnesia like we have is not a thing that just happens. There are no meguca in Mitakihara that could pull of the kind of bizarre soul or mind magic it would take to make us. And we have specialized knowledge of magical girls that almost no one that isn't a meguca should know. And we're a foreigner in a Japanese city. And we had unusual potential that allowed us to make a wish that can be very beneficial to a huge range of magical girls in a variety of ways. And, and, and. That's all justifications we can admit to if anyone asks. The broadness of wishes is helpful here too - it's possible that a wish made by some girl made in Guadalajara was what created us, if this time and place was the best choice to initiate some global change - which is, in fact, one of our goals anyway. We don't need to admit that we know exactly what wish, made by who, created us.
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To be honest, the fact it's Mura who's speaking against it is enough to give me doubts. :p

To be fair, we probably don't need to pull the "I'm also magic" card, not until Hijiri snaps, rofls all over the place and gives her Evil Speech.

I think, were we talking in private, it would be easier to choose to reveal this. The fact that everyone else will listen kind of complicates things. We've told Mami some about what we guess about our origin, but not quite that we believe we were created by a Wish.
 
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JarringToaster said:
Now here's a thing that's suspect. Kanna was created long before Yuuri (Airi) contracted, so there's no way she would have known the connection between Niko and Kanna by herself. The probability of Yuuri just running into Kanna and making the connection between the two is extremely low, and the idea of Kyuubey just telling Yuuri about Kanna's circumstances is also low considering he doesn't seem to tell Magical Girls about other Magical Girls to the extent of their wishes on a whim, even considering the "you didn't ask" part of him. Kanna was told the circumstances of her existence by Kyuubey likely because she was the direct result of Niko's wish.

But the thing here that's suspicious is that it wasn't Kyuubey who told her that information, it was Yuuri.

Next is the big question. Why is she a Magical Girl? In canon, she only became a Magical Girl when she was told about her artificial nature, but the testimony she gave states that it was Yuuri who told her that. So if she's telling the truth, she either interacted with Kyuubey earlier (risking him telling her about her nature right off the bat) and became a Magical Girl, or ran into Yuuri who then told her about her being artificial, and then became a Magical Girl. However, the second situation contradicts her desire to leave and find a peaceful life, as she wouldn't likely become a Magical Girl if she specifically wanted to avoid drama.

From here, I'm going to give the conclusion that makes the most sense. She's lying. Her finding out her origins is likely similar to how she found out in Kazumi Magica. She's not working under Yuuri. She's probably working with Yuuri or using her as both of their revenge schemes coincide with each other. Since she's caught, she's deflecting all the blame onto Yuuri so that the Pleiades focus their efforts on her so she can find some way out of this current situation.
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I'll point out that, while Yuuri finding out about her origins doesn't make sense if they only talk once, it's far more likely if she talks to her or investigates her targets over a period of quite some time. Anri has every reason to keep an eye on the Saints and since it looks like they were in somewhat closer contact with Hijiri than in canon it's more likely that she could trace from the Saints to Hijiri.
 
JarringToaster said:
...the idea of Kyuubey just telling Yuuri about Kanna's circumstances is also low considering he doesn't seem to tell Magical Girls about other Magical Girls to the extent of their wishes on a whim...
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On a whim? No. But if he's deliberately trying to stir things up?

Keep in mind that for all that he tries to pretend that he's a neutral party, Kyubey has an agenda, and it's contrary to our own goals. He wants magical girls to fight among themselves and witch out. This wouldn't be the first time that he whispered some misinformation in someone's ear to try to get them to start shit with us.
 
Should we ask Hijiri if she's been trailing and spying on Niko?

(Without directly mentioning that one time. It could be a trick question! :V )
 
The Narrator said:
On a whim? No. But if he's deliberately trying to stir things up?

Keep in mind that for all that he tries to pretend that he's a neutral party, Kyubey has an agenda, and it's contrary to our own goals. He wants magical girls to fight among themselves and witch out. This wouldn't be the first time that he whispered some misinformation in someone's ear to try to get them to start shit with us.
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Yes, but does he ever directly tells Magical Girls about the circumstances of other Magical Girls' wishes? It's an odd question, but I don't think he ever actually does that. He'll spread information, but I don't think he ever goes, "this is her wish" unless the girl was directly effected by it, like in the case of Kanna, Airi, and Madoka.
 
JarringToaster said:
Yes, but does he ever directly tells Magical Girls about the circumstances of other Magical Girls' wishes? It's an odd question, but I don't think he ever actually does that. He'll spread information, but I don't think he ever goes, "this is her wish" unless the girl was directly effected by it, like in the case of Kanna, Airi, and Madoka.
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He told us that Kirika's power was antimagic even though we didn't actually ask.
 
[X] Inform the Pleiades that Yuuri was also involved, using Hijiri as a puppet, and suggest resuming the search. Hopefully this will allow us to conduct the interview with just the present crew.
[X] Tell Hijiri that we went after her because she helped attack them and steal things, and then attacked us. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Yuuri manipulated her. We want to stop her from messingwith others.
[X] Reassure Hijiri that no-one thinks less of her for being created by a wish, certainly not us, since we were very likely created by a wish.
[X] Telepathically bring up Sayaka'sparents to Sayaka. You're going to be searching for a while yet, which means she needs an explanation for how/why she vanished out of bed.
-[X] Unless she thinks she can get a clone back into bed using her copied MOF, anyway.
 
So regarding Anri, what I think happened is that she was looking for Yuuri's Grief Seed. In the manga she was there when the Saints fought Yuuri's witch, so she would know. Even if she didn't get a good look, she definitely would of gotten the relevant information from Kyubey. Honestly, if she was just there to raid useful stuff, a lot more would be missing. Really though, nothing quite says "broken" like obsessively trying to retrieve your friend's soul from her killers.
 
I think we should let Niko spill Niko's secrets, ileven if it means we need to brace for impact when she arrives.

We're uniquely suited, with Mami's help of course, to calming Kazumi and if not then keeping her from doing something she'll regret. And we should focus on that, because otherwise we'll have a lot of hurt feelings and emotional fallout from breaking trust and walking all over Kazumi's authority.

We don't need to be a doormat and just let them beat Hijiri up, but we should at least give them some part of the reigns, even if we keep a hand on ourselves.

Not calm != Hulkazusa SMASH!
 
Kkutlord said:
So regarding Anri, what I think happened is that she was looking for Yuuri's Grief Seed. In the manga she was there when the Saints fought Yuuri's witch, so she would know. Even if she didn't get a good look, she definitely would of gotten the relevant information from Kyubey. Honestly, if she was just there to raid useful stuff, a lot more would be missing. Really though, nothing quite says "broken" like obsessively trying to retrieve your friend's soul from her killers.
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Mmm... If she was, then it's unlikely she'd find it, since the Seed would either be carried by one of the Pleiades, or have been given to KB by this point.

Niko didn't say anything about anything she was carrying being messed up with, I think.

Agh, Airi, why the hell are you a walking Witchbomb.
 
Kkutlord said:
So regarding Anri, what I think happened is that she was looking for Yuuri's Grief Seed. In the manga she was there when the Saints fought Yuuri's witch, so she would know. Even if she didn't get a good look, she definitely would of gotten the relevant information from Kyubey. Honestly, if she was just there to raid useful stuff, a lot more would be missing. Really though, nothing quite says "broken" like obsessively trying to retrieve your friend's soul from her killers.
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So, uh...

Odds that the clear seed came from the witch that used to be Yuuri?
 
So, why so trusting of the girl who surprise attacked with her finishing moves, exactly?

Not to mention, scared or not, she isn't innocent.
 
Phigment said:
So, uh...

Odds that the clear seed came from the witch that used to be Yuuri?
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Usually? Very very low.

Dramatically? HUE HUE HUE.

GiftOfLove said:
So, why so trusting of the girl who surprise attacked with her finishing moves, exactly?

Not to mention, scared or not, she isn't innocent.
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Do keep in mind we've got her surrounded, Sayaka's got Anti Magic ready, and we've got reinforcements in coming.

(And personally, I took out my vote line about offering to undo the restraints, just in case, even though I don't think those matter all that much.)

We need to treat her stated issues as legitimate issues, because if she's saying the truth, the she is innocent, she hasn't hurt anybody, and while she did commit theft, she did it in desperation, and already offered to give back what she stole, even if only because we caught her.

If she's lying, we still got her surrounded.

Whatever the case, Hijiri is in a shitty situation. She's not acting out out of Evulz, but out of anguish.

We (us and the Pleiades) are in control. We can set things right if we try.
 
I think we should get our hands on Yuuri before we release Hijiri though.

Also being scared and desperate doesn't make theft legal or right. Only understandable.
 
On the one hand, I doubt the Clear Seed is Yuuri purely because that'd be awfully convenient. However, I am the kind of person who would do that for the tearjerker factor. Plus, after reflecting a little about the Soujus and Meguca Synchronization... I began wondering if a Magical Girl could synchronize with a Witch. Thus, I would love to see even Sabrina be surprised should Weird Stuff begin happening around Anri and the Clear Seed.

Though back to the subject, I'm kind of surprised Sabrina hasn't considered pulling a Souju yet and try synchronizing her soul with Mami. Presumably that invasiveness problem would be less of an issue, plus they both know Mami's magic can extend her range. In fact, learning how to interfere with or control other bodies sounds useful- But I doubt Sabrina would do much there other than learn how to control bodies she crafted and to keep gemless Meguca fresh.
 
I mean, the Asunaro Nutjobs DID have to go specifically hunt down a witch in order to have a seed to give Sabrina, as I recall.

So it wouldn't be that complicated to think that the mystery girl was stalking Yuuri's witch already, and the Pleiades dropped in, ganked the witch, and took her grief seed. Other girl starts tracking the Pleiades to get the seed back, follows Niko to the meetup, follows her back to her lab, whacks Niko on the head, grabs the clear seed, and R-U-N-N-O-F-T.

Doesn't explain Hijiri's involvement, but it's a skeleton.
 
Phigment said:
I mean, the Asunaro Nutjobs DID have to go specifically hunt down a witch in order to have a seed to give Sabrina, as I recall.

So it wouldn't be that complicated to think that the mystery girl was stalking Yuuri's witch already, and the Pleiades dropped in, ganked the witch, and took her grief seed. Other girl starts tracking the Pleiades to get the seed back, follows Niko to the meetup, follows her back to her lab, whacks Niko on the head, grabs the clear seed, and R-U-N-N-O-F-T.

Doesn't explain Hijiri's involvement, but it's a skeleton.
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No, they just had to call Niko to bring one of hers to us.
 
Well ... as I figure it, the sorta-good news is, if Yuuri is out there, stroking an artifact that gives her functionally infinite magic and plotting to eat our eyeballs, that means we presently have much, much bigger problems than Hijiri. Our immediate priority is to make this plain to all involved, convince them not to do anything too terminally goddamn stupid right now, and they can sort their respective issues out over tea, biscuits and nonfatal stabbings later. Or not at all. Whichever.

The bad news is, if I were a meguca who'd irrevocably flipped her shit and was bent on revenge -
(fairly immediate revenge, I mean, as opposed to the 'chill on a beach sipping something age-inappropriate for six months waiting for the heat to die down, then reopen festivities with a magically augmented Molotov cocktail through somebody's window at 3am' variety)
- and I had a reasonably good idea of what was going on (which isn't certain), I'd judge my point of relative superiority to be right about now. My expendable goon-decoy has been neutralized without killing anybody (I'd bet she was expecting Hijiri to at least mess somebody up; her powerset seems pretty scary), and my opponents will soon all be in one place. Once that happens, I'm badly outgunned, and only going to more outmatched as my opponents augment their defenses.
So. I'd try to gank one of the relatively vulnerable search teams on the stealthy-like before we can regroup, and wing it from there, ideally mauling another group before I'm forced to disengage.

Hm. What I'm trying to get at here is, we need to avoid getting too distracted by the mook, and we need to be sure that foremost in everyone's mind is that fact that, as of now, we're probably being actively hunted by someone completely snakefucking insane.
 
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