To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

lbmaian said:

We already have a Renaissance named Emancipation.

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Boo... Ok, looking at a thesaurus, there's: Freedom, Suffrage, Equality, Egality, Abolition...

Or maybe just Zarayet.

What about naming a ship after the Vega Councillor who got killed by the Syndicate during the Caitian Ratification? Carmichael, I believe. Seems an appropriate time for that.

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Something something too many humans.

charysa said:

Boo... Ok, looking at a thesaurus, there's: Freedom, Suffrage, Equality, Egality, Abolition...

Or maybe just Zarayet.

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I'd rather reserve all those Liberty-esque names for our upcoming Rennies.

edit: Also we already have a Rennie called Suffrage that just commissioned this year

Nervos Belli said:

What about naming a ship after the Vega Councillor who got killed by the Syndicate during the Caitian Ratification? Carmichael, I believe. Seems an appropriate time for that.

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Probably not politically correct... I mean, if we don't have a ship named for Archer or Kirk, why are we naming it after a human politician that just died recently?

charysa said:

Either that or Zarayet, but with the Empress running around, Emancipator or Liberator is a better message to send I think.

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I think naming it Zarayet gives us more legitimacy than it encourages the Orions who would support Hayant. The Orions may have a sordid history, but we aren't about to go around erasing that history - that's not our style. Better to acknowledge that we consider the history of the Orion Empire as part of the history of the Orion people, and also emphasize that it is just history, regardless of relics like Hayant.

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[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier


That seems a nice balance between specialized and generic names.

Sure, why not...

[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora
[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
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[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

I like the bonus but...

Obligatory McCoy

"Dammit Sulu! I'm a Doctor, not an administrator! If I wanted to push paperwork, I'd have gone to filing clerk school, not medical school."

[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

Worth noting that there is a canonical starship called Discovery by TNG S1. It's never seen, but it is referenced.

[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

@OneirosTheWriter, preliminary 2319 EOY audit:

Corrections (that are compatible with 2319 player votes)
- Mining Colony at 29 Baker II [15 (25) br/yr, 1pp/yr, 2rp/yr] was NOT in fact completed in 2318 due to the Gabriel Campaign, and its income was erroneously included in 2318 EOY. Retroactively removing its income for 2318. The fixed 2318 EOY resources are: 1196br 746sr 412pp 433rp
- Standard Starfleet casualties for 2315 Arcadian Crisis accidentally included Explorer Corps casualties, leading to an extraneous E-1 and T-1 casualties. The fixed 2318 EOY Standard Starfleet career casualties are: O-51 E-64 T-53

Assumptions
- Starting off with EOY 2318 (where there are inconsistencies there, using the more detailed info as official source)
- Per historical precedence, member ratifications replace the tech-based affiliation income (currently 0.15 O/E/T) rather than the major affiliation bonus income, even if the ratification crew income change text is ambiguous on the matter.
- Chrystovians, Muuyozoi, and Gretarians are not yet affiliates despite having >= 100 relations (confirmed with Oneiros).
- Leonard McCoy's 0.1 O/E/T bonus doesn't apply until next year (assuming he's voted for in Q4 Rat Race).
- Yan-Ros affiliation bonus of 0.15 O/E/T is still included for this year, despite them merging with the Honiani in Q2 of this year.

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Starting Resources
1196* Bulk Resources
746 Special Resources
412* Political Will
433* Research Points

* Retroactively fixed to exclude the erroneous 29 Baker II mining colony income in 2318.

Starting Personnel Pool
Standard Starfleet: 25 Officer, 33.13 Enlisted, 56.4 Technician
Explorer Corps: 12.75 Officer, 13.5 Enlisted, 11.05 Technician

Expenditure
825 Bulk Industrial Resources
675 Special Industrial Resources
510 Political Will
380 Research Points

Casualties
Standard Starfleet: O-1 E-1 T-1
Explorer Corps: O-0 E-0 T-0

Career Casualties
Standard Starfleet: O-52 E-65 T-54
Explorer Corps: O-7 E-10 T-10

Total Starfleet Ship Losses:
3 Excelsior, 1 Renaissance, 2 Constitution, 2 Constellation, 2 Centaur, 5 Miranda (1 Miranda presumed lost but later recovered), 1 Oberth, 1 Hospital Ship, 2 Cargo Ship

Total Other Allied Ship Losses in Starfleet-led operations and incidents:
1 Miranda, 3 Orah, 3 Stinger

Ships Lost
USS Sappho, Constellation-A, NCC-1812

Ships Damaged
None

Ships Mothballed
None

Ships Scrapped
None

Ships Laid Down
Renaissance-A, NCC-2629
Renaissance-A, NCC-2630
Renaissance-A, NCC-2631
Centaur-A, NCC-2130
Centaur-A, NCC-2131
Centaur-A, NCC-2132
Centaur-A, NCC-2133
Centaur-A, NCC-2134

Refit - USS Thirishar, Excelsior-A, NCC-2011 (note: actually started last Q4 due to unplanned repairs)
Refit - USS Tarrak, Excelsior-A, NCC-2023 (note: actually started last Q4 due to unplanned repairs)
Refit - USS Atuin, Excelsior-A, NCC-2014
Refit - USS S'harien, Excelsior-A, NCC-2008
Refit - USS Stalwart, Constellation-A, NCC-1807

Comfort, NCC-3504
Cargo Ship, NCC-3720 (Andorian)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3721 (Human)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3722
Cargo Ship, NCC-3723 (Caitian)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3724
Freighter, NCC-3610 (Vulcan)
Freighter, NCC-3611 (Tellarite)
Freighter, NCC-3612 (Human)
Super-Freighter, NCC-3613 (Orion)
Freighter, NCC-3614
Freighter, NCC-3615
Freighter, NCC-3616
Freighter, NCC-3617 (Human)

Ships Crewed
USS Discovery, Excelsior-A, NCC-2027
USS Zarayet, Excelsior-A, NCC-2028
Centaur-A, NCC-2132
Centaur-A, NCC-2133
Centaur-A, NCC-2134

Ships Commissioned
USS Kir'shara, Renaissance, NCC-2620
USS Emancipation, Renaissance, NCC-2621
USS Justice, Renaissance, NCC-2622
USS Suffrage, Renaissance, NCC-2623
USS Triada, Constellation-A, NCC-1826
USS Gerzzi, Constellation-A, NCC-1827

Refit - USS Odyssey, Excelsior-A, NCC-2013
Refit - USS Thirishar, Excelsior-A, NCC-2011
Refit - USS Tarrak, Excelsior-A, NCC-2023
Refit - USS Selaya, Constellation-A, NCC-1803
Refit - USS Docana, Constellation-A, NCC-1810

Freighter, NCC-3603 (Rigellian)
Freighter, NCC-3604
Freighter, NCC-3605 (Human)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3709
Cargo Ship, NCC-3710 (Indorian)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3711 (Indorian)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3712 (Andorian)
Cargo Ship, NCC-3713
Cargo Ship, NCC-3714
Cargo Ship, NCC-3715

Resource Stockpile
BR/yr: 1218 - 35 + 152 = 1335
SR/yr: 883 - 25 + 77 = 935
PP/yr: 150 - 12 + 18 = 156
RP/yr: 251 - 10 + 33 = 274
BR: 1196 - 825 + 56 + 1335 = 1762
SR: 746 - 675 + 15 + 935 = 1021
PP: 412 - 515 + 305 + 156 = 358
RP: 433 - 380 + 165 + 274 = 492

Personnel Pool
Standard Starfleet:
O/yr: 19.15 - 0.3 + 2.75 = 21.6
E/yr: 26.93 + (-0.3 + 4.5) * 1.05 = 31.34
T/yr: 22.95 - 0.3 + 3.5 = 26.15
O: 25 - 15 + 1 + 21.6 = 32.6
E: 33.13 - 17 + 4 + 31.34 = 51.47
T: 56.4 - 16 + 1 + 26.15 = 67.55

Explorer Corps:
O/yr: 4.25 - 0 + 0.5 = 4.75
E/yr: 4.35 + (-0 + 0.5) * 1.1 = 4.9
T/yr: 2.95 - 0 + 0.5 = 3.45
O: 12.75 - 0 + 0 + 4.75 = 17.5
E: 13.5 - 0 + 0 + 4.9 = 18.4
T: 11.05 - 0 + 0 + 3.45 = 14.5

Details in audit ledger spreadsheet: ToBoldlyGo Audit Ledger

edit: fix pp from Central Theater Fleet Deployment update and Q3.M2 CL (net +15pp), add in winning E-A names

[x][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

I though we were going to drop the nonsense alien sounding names?

[X][MED] Rear Admiral Leonard McCoy

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[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
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[X][NAME1] Arbiter
[X][NAME2] Resolute
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

I'd like to keep McCoy for a while as CMO, as for the names...

Yeah, Discovery is a name I'd rather way for the Amby, so...

I didn't like Timekeeper, so what about Aeon or... hey, do we have a name for the planet of the Guardian of forever?

Chaos Blade said:

I though we were going to drop the nonsense alien sounding names?

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Sure, I'll restart this debate if you want. Arbiter, Resolute, Timekeeper, even Discovery, are all nonsense names to me.

[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

Are we really naming an Excelsior after some random native american tribe? I know it is a canon ship, but the fact some american dude got to choose all the ship names belongs on the big pile of silly canon stuff.


Also, I am totally in favour of cool nonsense alien names as long as they dont have annoying punctuation within the word.

CeBrudras said:

Are we really naming an Excelsior after some random native american tribe? I know it is a canon ship, but the fact some american dude got to choose all the ship names belongs on the big pile of silly canon stuff.


Also, I am totally in favour of cool nonsense alien names as long as they dont have annoying punctuation within the word.

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Lakota could easily be a non-human name as well. With tens of species and hundreds of cultures, there's bound to be naming coincidences.

[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

Simon_Jester said:

The problem is that the Megatortoises are so much drastically slower in warp than the dreadnoughts (plural now) that all one could do would be to park in a system and pray for one of them to show up. Even our fastest ships can't actually keep up with them, except by dangerously overclocking their drives while exploiting the fact that Hayant can't afford to risk wearing out her own engines by using her ships' maximum cruising speed over the long haul.

But at least our Rennies and Excelsiors can move fast enough to reposition noticeably in time to respond to the threat posed by one of the dreadnoughts. A megatortoise can't.

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OneirosTheWriter said:

"I don't get it, how do they expect your Megatortoise to catch them?"

"They don't, they expect her to come to me."

"What, how, why!?"

"They gave me an extra-strength comms buoy and the Orion equivalent of the Shakespearean Insult Generator and told me to do my damnedest."

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The idea was for the Megatortoise to be waiting for the Orion Ascent at a location of our choosing, presumably the location of a Continuation Facility we beat the Ascent to. Just like we did during the last couple updates.

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The current Director of Starfleet Medical, T'Kora is a capable administrator and skilled manager.
Benefit: Increases experience gain for successful responses to medical missions.

[ ][MED] Rear Admiral Chuth bav Shul
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Head of the Infectious Disease Institute, bav Shul's testiness belies a strong sense of compassion.
Benefit: +1 to all plague-related rolls.

They're both so good. I'll see which gains more votes and go with them.

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[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
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[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
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[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:

Sure, I'll restart this debate if you want. Arbiter, Resolute, Timekeeper, even Discovery, are all nonsense names to me.

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That is a ridiculous argument and you know it, They have meaning in the alphabet we use on the hulls of starfleet's ship's as opposed to limited phonetic representations used the same alphabet.
So, anything other than English words, would be silly. Yes, trek does pay homage to people (and peoples), places and what not, and some are alien, but... we aren't using any canon source for that but making those whole cloth.
So, instead of wasting time and energy there, we could use Star names, Planets, adjectives, etc, that are in English

Honestly, the alien sounding names mean nothing, objectively, so you saying a name like Resolute is meaningless is a hoot.

[X][MED] Rear Admiral Leonard McCoy

BTW, I voted Tellarite because we'd had a Vulcan and an Andorian heading the GBZ already, so why not. But who was this Gorac Crogan guy again?

Chaos Blade said:

That is a ridiculous argument and you know it, They have meaning in the alphabet we use on the hulls of starfleet's ship's as opposed to limited phonetic representations used the same alphabet.
So, anything other than English words, would be silly. Yes, trek does pay homage to people (and peoples), places and what not, and some are alien, but... we aren't using any canon source for that but making those whole cloth.
So, instead of wasting time and energy there, we could use Star names, Planets, adjectives, etc, that are in English

Honestly, the alien sounding names mean nothing, objectively, so you saying a name like Resolute is meaningless is a hoot.

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Perhaps we should name our characters with english words and names too. Nancy Karen. Pointy Ear Lady Number Two.

More to the point, in context of the quest, Resolute has no meaning while Salnas has a meaning. Arbiter has no meaning while Zarayet has a meaning.