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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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So, we are letting our dislike of President Kit Kat getting the better of us? guys, again, we got blindsided, if those charges were inside the Republic, and I think they were, we have an Obsidian Order problem somewhere inside our Gabriel Expanse forces, probably in the logistics tail as it is the easier way of getting something inside one of our ships.
We need that issue taken care of before we can go on the offensive, lest we risk opening ourselves to raids while we conduct our counter attack.

I really, Really, want to pummel the cardies over this, but at this point the risk is a tad too high and seem to outstrip any possible advantage
 
Chaos Blade said:
So, we are letting our dislike of President Kit Kat getting the better of us? guys, again, we got blindsided, if those charges were inside the Republic, and I think they were, we have an Obsidian Order problem somewhere inside our Gabriel Expanse forces, probably in the logistics tail as it is the easier way of getting something inside one of our ships.
We need that issue taken care of before we can go on the offensive, lest we risk opening ourselves to raids while we conduct our counter attack.

I really, Really, want to pummel the cardies over this, but at this point the risk is a tad too high and seem to outstrip any possible advantage
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We'll be handling the sabotage matter during the next round of intel meetings in the game.
 
[X][NASH] Instruct Nash digs in and fortifies (30pp to deliver Starbase, minefield, weapon platform, tachyon net construction materials, 10% and 5% chance of ignoring or insubordination)

I am not willing to play into the Konen or the Cardassians hands, we can try to free the POW's after we have an idea how an Obsidian Order saboteur team managed to compromise the Republic, after we had a chance to actually talk to the Presicat and after we could cool down and make our decision not on the basis that it tweaks N'Gir's nose.

So please lets approach this matter with a cool head and the backing of the federations poltical machine and lets not go with the gut reaction.
 
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If it's a trap, it is one of those traps that have to be sprung. Nash's ploy is that by drawing heavy reinforcements, she can overwhelm any preparations. Her attack can be read, but drawing in an entire task force of ships cannot be.
 
It's not about disliking the President this time - it's that even if she imposes unpleasant consequences, Starfleet's priority should always be "what's right for this situation", not "what's most politically expedient". If the commodore we put in charge of the situation says now's the time to attack, and there aren't any other factors she's not aware of to consider (explicitly not including internal politics) it's Starfleet Command's duty to back her to the hilt, and shield her from any blowback from said consequences.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Okay, after some people have asked me questions, it would also be valid to vote for:

[ ][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
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That's after the Councillor elections, right? Chance of Kitty firing Sulu?
 
[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
 
[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
 
Leila Hann said:
If Stesk was president, any objections he had to our offensive would be on strategic or philosophical bases, not political self-interest. Consequently, I would be infinitely more inclined to give a shit.
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How do you know this is not the case with N'Gir? Like serious question here. If Sulu attacks without consulting her it's like, a serious political problem she is unprepared for.

Incumbent parties don't want to be accused of unfairly meddling in the election. She's actually taking a principled stance here.
Hazard said:
Except that for N'Gir's entire presidency her interactions with Starfleet has been about imposing the interests of internal political factions on Starfleet. Not the Federation's values as filtered through the lens of the political party in charge, the way it has been with previous presidents. As far as Starfleet can determine, the question has never been 'will this be good for the Federation' over 'does this make me more likely to get reelected.'

And that is a problem. It divides the political scene, encourages partisanship and polarizes the public. We may not always like Stesk, to highlight one of our most outspoken critics, but Stesk's criticism comes from wanting Starfleet to be the best Starfleet can be, and an example all of the Federation can point towards and say 'that? That is who we are and what we do.'

Besides, you forget a major thing; if Starfleet does nothing to upset the political scene now, she's more likely to get reelected. So the Council's priority is not likely to change
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We actually don't know how she feels about this operation at all because Sulu has taken it upon himself to conduct it without consulting her.

Pretending this is somehow a noble course of action that protects democracy is silly. Maybe we will save those prisoners or something but we are really playing with fire to do so.

It is not the best Starfleet can be to hide things from its president. That's kinda the point of my Stesk comparison. We don't know if Stesk would say yes or not in this case because due to the particular bent of our PC here, not the actions of the President.
 
@OneirosTheWriter Also, I seem to remember something from way in the beginning of the quest, that if the Commander gets fired all our Key Staff would become Old Guard and we'd lose their bonuses. Is that still the case here?
 
Leila Hann said:
Because we've been explicitly told that her objections are because its an election year.
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Okay, after some people have asked me questions, it would also be valid to vote for:

[ ][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
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The new option would be to attack after the election. Assuming Oneiros didn't forget to add it (or perhaps he wants to keep this hidden?), there seems to be no chance of Sulu getting fired for this. Which means Kitty's main (if not only) problem with an offensive in Q1 is that it'd hurt Development's chances in the election.
 
Leila Hann said:
Because we've been explicitly told that her objections are because its an election year.
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We don't know her objections. We can infer it from not getting the firing penalty by waiting, but sans that Sulu just assumes she won't want to be handed an October surprise so is cutting her out of the loop.

Like if y'all wanna take that deep step into political quicksand go right ahead but don't be so light about it.

Random Member said:
The new option would be to attack after the election. Assuming Oneiros didn't forget to add it (or perhaps he wants to keep this hidden?), there seems to be no chance of Sulu getting fired for this. Which means Kitty's main (if not only) problem with an offensive in Q1 is that it'd hurt Development's chances in the election.
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No, you assume she would not be happy because it'd hurt Devs chances. It's probable Stesk or anyone else wouldn't want an offensive to suddenly start either, because it fucks with everyone's campaigning.

It comes with zero chance of firing because we've consulted with her.
 
[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
-[X] Reinforce as follows: Lightning (Centaur-A) from Sol Sector, Husacar (Constitution-B) from Andor Sector, Endurance (Excelsior-A) and Bull (Blooded Centaur-A) from Ferasa Sector, Avandar (Excelsior) from Rigel Sector, Yukikaze (Blooded Centaur-A) from Apinae Sector, Inspire (Oberth) and Calypso (Miranda-A) from RBZ, Thirishar (Blooded Excelsior) and Dynamo (Miranda-A) from KBZ, Spirit (Excelsior-A) and Reason (Renaissance) from CBZ, Zephyr (Blooded Centaur-A) and Gale (Blooded Centaur-A) from SBZ, and Svai (Miranda-A) from LBZ = Total Reinforcements of 2 Excelsior-A, 2 Excelsior (1 Blooded), 1 Constitution-B, 1 Renaissance, 5 Centaur-A (4 Blooded), 3 Miranda-A, and 1 Oberth

This sounds perfect.
 
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[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2(Reinforcements from anywheremany be provided, allows bothsides an extra turn to prepare)
 
Iron Wolf said:
It comes with zero chance of firing because we've consulted with her.
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And what exactly makes you think we won't consult with her if we launch an offensive now? Nash is asking for reinforcements before attacking and it would take atleast a week for those to arrive. You don't think we'd consult with Kitty in that time because....?
 
My issue with dragging out the wait is that it gives Cardassians even more time to prepare. Sure, we will be able to bring in more reinforcements....but so will they.

Initiative often is everything. We're already at disadvantage here, and I'm not convinced that waiting won't make it even worse as Cardassians either press on or grab a few extra percents for their tactical efforts through interrogation.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
(40% chance President summarily fires you for authorising a major attack on the eve of the elections
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What the fuck. This is... disgusting. All the benefit of the doubt people tried to give her after her last colossal fuckup she goes and does this. Seriously considering pushing for SF to come down against her in elections because we can't work with her on military or peacetime problems.

Like, we're actively at war in the GBZ. War is impending. Our ships are getting blown up, their ships are getting blown up, and your response to is doing our jobs is to fire us because we did it before the election? Hell naw.

Speaking of which, strategic considerations. I think we need to start looking at when we want to kick off the broader war. When would we want a war to start, when do we think it will start, and what do we need to do to make our desired timetable happen?
 
[X][NASH] Instruct Nash digs in and fortifies (30pp to deliver Starbase, minefield, weapon platform, tachyon net construction materials, 10% and 5% chance of ignoring or insubordination)

Here are my thoughts, UESPA is putting together a task force to move into the GBZ, that should free our own forces up further in the GBZ. Second since the Republic was sabotaged we need to figure out how that was done and determine if more ships are suffering from this. The Starbase and Tachyon net will help improve our sensor coverage making it harder for them to move in without us seeing. Right now attacking is a reflexive action and what I think the Konen are goading us into.
 
Random Member said:
And what exactly makes you think we won't consult with her if we launch an offensive now? Nash is asking for reinforcements before attacking and it would take atleast a week for those to arrive. You don't think we'd consult with Kitty in that time because....?
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Word from the GM in the discord. I mentioned it a while back.

It's a 40% we get fired but the op goes through because Nash is in the middle of it before the Prez finds out.

[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2(Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows bothsides an extra turn to prepare)
 
I feel more comfortable with giving our forces time to move. I know that it also gives the Cardassians time to reinforce as well, and means that our POW are in Cardassian/Konen hands for several months at minimum.

[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
 
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