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Widow Null
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They only have the one. They're not going to go haring off after the Horizon with only one.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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They only have the one. They're not going to go haring off after the Horizon with only one.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X][PRIORITY] Human Interest in the GBZ
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
If it will be in future snakepits, I'd rather just do it then and not spend the pp early. There is little reason to do it so early either.
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
The officer exchange is nice when we need to learn more about a species, and when that species actually has a proper naval structure to learn from. We already know the Orions and it's pretty explicitly stated we don't have anything to learn from them. The Orion's don't have a proper naval structure, and swapping XO's won't help us or them transform their navy. We need to start from the ground up.
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X[INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
If it will be in future snakepits, I'd rather just do it then and not spend the pp early. There is little reason to do it so early either.
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
The officer exchange is nice when we need to learn more about a species, and when that species actually has a proper naval structure to learn from. We already know the Orions and it's pretty explicitly stated we don't have anything to learn from them. The Orion's don't have a proper naval structure, and swapping XO's won't help us or them transform their navy. We need to start from the ground up.
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X[INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
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Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
That's not what I said. We didn't give our really good designs to the Tauni for a reason. We don't know the full story of their rebellion, and even if they were justified in rebelling there almost certainly are Horizon sympathizers still among them. I'm worried that any ship we send them could end up working for the Horizon in a few years, or against us.
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
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- She/Her
It's a previous generation ship.
One going rogue is not a threat to us.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Using my earlier reasoning as a base...
[ ][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ
Andorians have lower income than the Humans and badly need more to catch up with the Renaissance count.
edit: They only have 1 Rennie compared to Human and Tellar 3 Rennies each. And they have the crew reserves necessary for Rennies - they're just bottlenecked on resources.
[ ][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
These near-Excelsior ships are a steal at 8pp each.
- Indoria has a large crew surplus (10.4O 16.4E 15.4T) and they need more ships for defense. They may be building Renaissances, but they don't have an actual capital ship yet.
- Tauni - I trust these guys enough now and they do badly need ships for defense against the Horizonites
- Laio - they sees Excelsior, they wants Excelsior (or close enough to it)
- Risa... They should have the crew for it, but TBH I'm mostly going for this because I want to see the Risan reaction
That should improve our relations with Tauni and Laio further too.
[ ][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
I consider a Cardassian escalation low risk, and for a 10% casualty reduction for 30pp, I'm willing to wait for a later snakepit.
[ ][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
Long-term option is best option.
[ ][BEE] Push (8pp)
Yes, definitely. No brainer for 8pp. They have 8 Foragers, and only have 2 in the GBZ.
[ ][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
Not comfortable with this given its unknowns, but I give it good odds that it's at least competitive with the Indoria shipyard 18pp snakepit option, especially with the discount repair yards are supposed to have.
[ ][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
Indorians have are already building Renaissance cruisers and they have a lot more frigates that need refitting, so it would be better to start on the frigate refits.
Altogether:
[X][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
[ ][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ
Andorians have lower income than the Humans and badly need more to catch up with the Renaissance count.
edit: They only have 1 Rennie compared to Human and Tellar 3 Rennies each. And they have the crew reserves necessary for Rennies - they're just bottlenecked on resources.
[ ][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
These near-Excelsior ships are a steal at 8pp each.
- Indoria has a large crew surplus (10.4O 16.4E 15.4T) and they need more ships for defense. They may be building Renaissances, but they don't have an actual capital ship yet.
- Tauni - I trust these guys enough now and they do badly need ships for defense against the Horizonites
- Laio - they sees Excelsior, they wants Excelsior (or close enough to it)
- Risa... They should have the crew for it, but TBH I'm mostly going for this because I want to see the Risan reaction
That should improve our relations with Tauni and Laio further too.
[ ][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
I consider a Cardassian escalation low risk, and for a 10% casualty reduction for 30pp, I'm willing to wait for a later snakepit.
[ ][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
Long-term option is best option.
[ ][BEE] Push (8pp)
Yes, definitely. No brainer for 8pp. They have 8 Foragers, and only have 2 in the GBZ.
[ ][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
Not comfortable with this given its unknowns, but I give it good odds that it's at least competitive with the Indoria shipyard 18pp snakepit option, especially with the discount repair yards are supposed to have.
[ ][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
Indorians have are already building Renaissance cruisers and they have a lot more frigates that need refitting, so it would be better to start on the frigate refits.
Altogether:
[X][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
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Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
It's a previous generation ship, but it's better than anything we have besides an Excelsior. I agree it's not a world ending threat, but it's not the same as a Soyuz going rogue or something.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
I'd be more worried about the Tauni possibly overplaying their hand if we give them a battleship, and doing something stupid, like starting a war with the Horizon.
In all honesty, I'm not sure arranging for this sale would be... prudent.
In all honesty, I'm not sure arranging for this sale would be... prudent.
- Location
- USA
Looking at priorities
Andorians-short term is almost done, the mid and long term could lead them to the GBZ.
Humans almost done with mid term, also only one to have an Ambassador in their priority so far.
Tellarites want to refit their Excelsior, increase crew and expand which I hope means GBZ.
Betazed is looking to increase their income, Orions have sell berth space along with income increases.
Also @OneirosTheWriter can you add Ked Peddah and Tauni to the current fleets spoiler as both are over 300 now.
Andorians-short term is almost done, the mid and long term could lead them to the GBZ.
Humans almost done with mid term, also only one to have an Ambassador in their priority so far.
Tellarites want to refit their Excelsior, increase crew and expand which I hope means GBZ.
Betazed is looking to increase their income, Orions have sell berth space along with income increases.
Also @OneirosTheWriter can you add Ked Peddah and Tauni to the current fleets spoiler as both are over 300 now.
The Seyek might also appreciate some additional hulls, even if they already possess a decent fleet. An additional C10H10L10 defending Rethelia for 16 pp is a great deal we shouldnt miss out on.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Yeah, that's part of why I'm prioritizing them ahead of the Humans for the GBZ. They're already "Rethinking Priorities" for the mid-term, so this is a convenient opportunity to do so.
Plus, they need to catch up with the Human and Tellarite Renaissance counts - Andorians only have 1 while the latter two have 3 each. Andorians are pretty much bottlenecked by resources rather than crew at this point (crew reserves of 10.4O 12.5E 15.5T).
- Location
- USA
Humans did have get into GBZ as a priority before the Licori war. Plus I am hoping that between Tellar and Andor one of the two will change priorities to the GBZ on their own by the next MWCO so that we can get the 3rd into the GBZ as well. I want those three and Indoria to get a presence there as all three can benefit from increased income
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Humans, Tellarites, Andorians, Orions, and Indorians technically should already be interested in the GBZ:
and this indicates that the Humans already have the highest interest (or at least the most political resources).
Maybe give em a Ked Peddah battleship? They can certainly easily crew it.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
[X][MEDICAL] Make the arrangements (30pp)
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
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- Location
- United Kingdom
[X][MEDICAL] Make the arrangements (30pp)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
Jenny
anonymous user
- Location
- maryland
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- She/Her
If we're looking for 'prudent' peoples to give the Ked Paddah ships to, it'd be the Indorians and Vulcans first... not that Vulcan really needs/wants them?
If we wanted to troll the Ked Paddah something fierce instead, we'd go with the Lamarck and especially the Gaeni.
If we wanted to troll the Ked Paddah something fierce instead, we'd go with the Lamarck and especially the Gaeni.
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Alastor Mobius Toth
***** ***
- Location
- Neon Ghetto
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
I feel that to truly rebuild and rebrand the Orion space service we're going to have to work our way from the ground, and that involves moulding potential candidates up to Federation's standard. These people can than form the core around which new Orion service can coalescence.
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
Bee prepared little bee.
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
Shouldn't be really a question. Build the Indorian Line!
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
The ship side of things has escalated to the point where it's no longer comprehensible to me, so I'll trust the people saying that Indorians should focus on this first, especially since they're capable of building Renaissances in the cruiser department anyway.
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
I feel that to truly rebuild and rebrand the Orion space service we're going to have to work our way from the ground, and that involves moulding potential candidates up to Federation's standard. These people can than form the core around which new Orion service can coalescence.
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
Bee prepared little bee.
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
Shouldn't be really a question. Build the Indorian Line!
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
The ship side of things has escalated to the point where it's no longer comprehensible to me, so I'll trust the people saying that Indorians should focus on this first, especially since they're capable of building Renaissances in the cruiser department anyway.
[X][PRIORITY] Human Interest in the GBZ
[X][KP] One ship to be transferred to Laio and one ship to Tauni (16 pp)
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
[X][KP] One ship to be transferred to Laio and one ship to Tauni (16 pp)
[X][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
- Location
- Central Standard Time
Well, considering how powerful a warp core is...
Not yet.
Are we really going to turn down two perfectly fine battleships for the cheap price of 8pp each?
As I said, the two of them are almost a starbase worth of stats without any build time the Seyek could park around Rethelia and activate with emergency crew if Cardassia is at the gates.
If we give them to Tellar they would by themselves almost be enough to form their GBZ Force.
I really think turning them down would be a waste.
As I said, the two of them are almost a starbase worth of stats without any build time the Seyek could park around Rethelia and activate with emergency crew if Cardassia is at the gates.
If we give them to Tellar they would by themselves almost be enough to form their GBZ Force.
I really think turning them down would be a waste.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Give 'em to the Risans. Probably better that their ships don't have any sharp edges that they could hurt themselves on.
Or the Yan-Ros. I have a feeling that they need ships that're more... resilient... than usual. If only because of all the "Hold my beer and watch this".
Or the Yan-Ros. I have a feeling that they need ships that're more... resilient... than usual. If only because of all the "Hold my beer and watch this".
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
If we were short on technicians, retiring Oberths could make sense, because they're not very survivable platforms in combat and aren't likely to pass any checks except Science checks.
Since we don't have a technician shortage, I don't think this is a problem.
Leslie:
"Just you remember, there was a time when those ships were impressive. Packed all the punch of an Andorian battlecruiser, on a smaller, nimbler platform. Of course, there's a reason the Andorians gave up on those battlecruisers..."
[Shakes his head, looking glum]
"I'm going to miss the Soyuzes."
"Sounds more like Michel. I wouldn't have said 'stygian depths' even if you gave me an hour to think of a good way to say it. Not part of my bureaucratese dictionary."Ol' Leslie?
The Risans aren't Pakleds. The only reason they keep getting into trouble we have to bail them out of is because they're utterly inexperienced with dangerous predators and planetary conditions, because Risa is a paradise and almost all other planets in the galaxy are death worlds by their standard.
Do you expect the ships to be over-boldly handled, or heavily experimented on?