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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Gravitas Hunt said:
Is there another round of berth-expanding techs anywhere? Even another 5% on top of the current 10% would allow us to build Excelsiors in 2mt berths, which would negate competition with the Ambassadors. Alternatively, could we knock off 100kt with a refit? Take the chines back off the engineering hull or something?
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To answer my own (first) question, it's the Tier 4 '2330s Construction Techniques'; no idea whether there are plans to start it any time soon, though.
 
[X][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]
[X][WG] A 2v2 with any Ships, including member world ships, (a gaeni tech-cruiser vs. two caitian swarmers)

I want to see if the tech-ship doctrine is as effective against swarms as it looks like it should be. This will be relevant if we have to fight Horizon.
 
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[X][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]
[X][REPORT] Improving the Cardassian Readiness report
[X][WG] Able Archer in Space - Detection and readiness drills along the CBZ. Simulate a multi-pronged Union attack on sensors. Apiata, Indorian, Seyek, and Starfleet scouting assets must scramble and identify, quantify, and tail simulated approaching forces, while other forces rally at hardpoints. The Excelsior and Salnas will be prowling the frontier as two advanced hunter-killer groups on the Union side, engaging scouts while the scouts attempt escape. Once the scouting is judged complete, the full ships will split into sides and practice full force interceptions. 1 Forager, 2 Stinger, 1 Little Queenship, 2 Indoria "Patrol Escort" frigates, 1 Indoria "Frigate" cruiser, 2 Seyek frigates, 1 Seyek cruiser, 2 Excelsior [Excelsior, Salnas], 1 Oberth [T'Mir], 1 Renaissance [Reason]. Cost: 17pp

This right here is exactly what I am talking about.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Push the Apiata to use their Foragers aggressively in the Adrazz
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I think this option should be within the scope of things we can tell our member fleets to do through that sub turn, though the Orion may also need some guidance.
We will probably just vote for "Nothing" again though...

Shame that the Orion seem so unready, chances of them joining the GBZ brawl are low.

I wonder if the Cardassian will plan some attack on the presidents homeworld. It seens like a fitting strategem for someone convinced that the Federations system of government is a weakness.

I really like the Yrillian infiltration war game proposed in the tactics report. We should give that one a shot.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Bear in mind that our future enemies will tend to have bigger guns. If your projections for what the Cardassian cruiser refits will look like are accurate, they're going to be hitting a lot harder than most of the opposition we've faced so far in the Vanguard phases.

I don't remember if we were using the current iteration of the combat engine at Lora III, but the Sydraxians literally do not have any ships with firepower greater than Combat 4.

The Licori had quite a few frigates and light cruisers that were on the weedy side, and a relative handful of cruisers and battleships with C5 or C6- and we took quite a few frigate casualties in battle against the Licori.

By contrast, 5-10 years from now the Cardassians' median threat during the Vanguard is a Jaldun-bis with (by your own predictions) a Combat 5; there will be a considerable number of Kaldar-bis ships that may enter Vanguard phase and (by your predictions) will have Combat 7. The lightest-hitting ships we can expect to face will be 'gun Takaakis' at Combat 4.

Building frigates capable of surviving the Vanguard phase against that threat level is a somewhat different order of problem than building to face an opponent whose typical Combat scores are more like three or four.
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That's not accurate. We took frigate casualties against the Licori because of mines, and in frigates that entered in the Vanguard only. Every Skirmisher escaped with scratch damage save an Oberth.

The idea that we're worried about the Skirmish frigate in the Vanguard phase is not based on any kind of fact. I wouldn't worry about it even if the Kaldar had C7.




[X][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]

[X][REPORT] Improving the Cardassian Readiness report

[][WG] Able Archer in Space - Detection and readiness drills along the CBZ. Simulate a multi-pronged Union attack on sensors. Apiata, Indorian, Seyek, and Starfleet scouting assets must scramble and identify, quantify, and tail simulated approaching forces, while other forces rally at hardpoints. The Excelsior and Salnas will be prowling the frontier as two advanced hunter-killer groups on the Union side, engaging scouts while the scouts attempt escape. Once the scouting is judged complete, the full ships will split into sides and practice full force interceptions. 1 Forager, 2 Stinger, 1 Little Queenship, 2 Indoria "Patrol Escort" frigates, 1 Indoria "Frigate" cruiser, 2 Seyek frigates, 1 Seyek cruiser, 2 Excelsior [Excelsior, Salnas], 1 Oberth [T'Mir], 1 Renaissance [Reason]. Cost: 17pp

It's a very expensive wargame, but it serves a purpose to increase Seyek readiness, motivate the Indorians to begin a refit program, point out places we need improved sensor coverage, and develop Decisive Battle doctrine experience. The political benefits are worth 17pp.

e: I've updated my vote later to a reduced exercise focused on member world preparedness, but Able Archer is still a fine exercise and I'd understand if someone voted for it.
 
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Gotta take off soon, but sneaking in a comment

Lathriss and co have really outdone themselves!
OneirosTheWriter said:
Industry Loop:
Route Penalty = 2x
(+0.1 for Apinae Shipyard)
(-0.1 for Amarkia Critical Industry Expansion)
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I think this is copied from last year and outdated?

Our new route penalty should by incremented from the new shipyard... or maybe that's next year.

Can you also post the detailed loop small and bulk cargo breakdowns?
 
[X][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]
[X][REPORT] Improving the Cardassian Readiness report
[X][WG] Able Archer in Space - Detection and readiness drills along the CBZ. Simulate a multi-pronged Union attack on sensors. Apiata, Indorian, Seyek, and Starfleet scouting assets must scramble and identify, quantify, and tail simulated approaching forces, while other forces rally at hardpoints. The Excelsior and Salnas will be prowling the frontier as two advanced hunter-killer groups on the Union side, engaging scouts while the scouts attempt escape. Once the scouting is judged complete, the full ships will split into sides and practice full force interceptions. 1 Forager, 2 Stinger, 1 Little Queenship, 2 Indoria "Patrol Escort" frigates, 1 Indoria "Frigate" cruiser, 2 Seyek frigates, 1 Seyek cruiser, 2 Excelsior [Excelsior, Salnas], 1 Oberth [T'Mir], 1 Renaissance [Reason]. Cost: 17pp
 
[X][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]
[X][REPORT] Improving the Cardassian Readiness report
[X][WG] Able Archer in Space - Detection and readiness drills along the CBZ. Simulate a multi-pronged Union attack on sensors. Apiata, Indorian, Seyek, and Starfleet scouting assets must scramble and identify, quantify, and tail simulated approaching forces, while other forces rally at hardpoints. The Excelsior and Salnas will be prowling the frontier as two advanced hunter-killer groups on the Union side, engaging scouts while the scouts attempt escape. Once the scouting is judged complete, the full ships will split into sides and practice full force interceptions. 1 Forager, 2 Stinger, 1 Little Queenship, 2 Indoria "Patrol Escort" frigates, 1 Indoria "Frigate" cruiser, 2 Seyek frigates, 1 Seyek cruiser, 2 Excelsior [Excelsior, Salnas], 1 Oberth [T'Mir], 1 Renaissance [Reason]. Cost: 17pp
 
[ ][ROLES] A high-presence courier escort
this sounds somewhat interesting but not at all sure we need it

other then that
[x] SynchronizedWritersBlock
sounds about right
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Themis Front
Nature: Smashmouth offence, with forces lined up on both sides for the headlong rush.
Exposure: Rethelia is very near the border.
Logistics Vulnerability: Low

Local Member Readiness
Indoria - Unable to support
Seyek - Have lost their preparedness due to social upheavals and the pandemic that recently ripped through their worlds
Qloath - Ill-prepared

Cardassia
Tolyok
Galundun
Bajor
Gandei
Rethelia
Fiiral
Carnin Quel
Arqueniou
Merfara
-> Ferasa

Suggestions:
* Suggest to the Rethelians that additional defences in Rethelia will be crucial, including reinforced stations around infrastructure.
* Less of a military suggestion, but it would be good to suggest that the FDS help prepare the Seyek for being on the front of an Cardassian-Federation War to help make sure their support is as high as possible.
* Hacitorus will require protection
* Get Seyek a membership as soon as possible
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This is definitely the most important front to focus on. I trust I don't need to explain why.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I don't see a way around it really. We could run the exercise on a backwards CBZ, as in use the space internal instead of the frontier? But that's the reason I'm using computer-simulated forces rather than real task forces.
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I'm just remembering how we all panicked when the Cardassians mobilized for no apparent reason during the Red October crisis, and we were asked by the President if this was war.

Then again, presumably the Cardassians will have enough decent intelligence or monitoring to notice our inner sectors like Tellar and Caitain aren't mobilizing and so it's probably not a prelude to war.
 
Can we adjust able archer in space to include the Caitians? They're on an important front and specifically called out as needing more experience with coordinating with other members.

I'd rather it be a combined Seyek/Indorian/Caitian force than the current Apiata/Indorian/Seyek, which if you think about it doesn't even make sense because the Apiata aren't in the same front as the Seyek anyways.

I'd write one myself but I gotta go :V
 
Iron Wolf said:
Can we adjust able archer in space to include the Caitians? They're on an important front and specifically called out as needing more experience with coordinating with other members.

I'd rather it be a combined Seyek/Indorian/Caitian force than the current Apiata/Indorian/Seyek, which if you think about it doesn't even make sense because the Apiata aren't in the same front as the Seyek anyways.

I'd write one myself but I gotta go :V
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It's scouting drills. The Caitians will be involved in rallying but not really in scouting. Their inclusion over the Apiata makes no sense.
 
Are there any downsides to changing our Roles? from what i can see it costs us nothing.

Great shopping list from this report. I think we should improve it again for next year, then maybe ask for similar on one of the colder fronts the year after.

[X][REPORT] Improving the Cardassian Readiness report

Engineering?
* Adrazzi Gulf - survey for tactical advantage.
* SBZ - survey for tactical advantage.

Snakepit
* Appeal to Council for an investment in pre-building space mines
* Signals for GBZ and Themis Front
* Outpost at Grizzi
* Waystations ?what are these?
* Outpost at Gamma Canidae V

Intelligence
* Create plan to disable the starbase at Kar Akar
* Approve to plan for potential missions to Bajor to disrupt the Cardassians in event of war

MWCO
* Help Indoria with refits
* Push Indoria to upgrade sensors, outposts
* Get Orion battleready
* Push Caitians for outpost at Yashrr

Diplomatic
* Prepare the Seyek for being on the front of an Cardassian-Federation War
 
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