To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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That was the Treaty of Celos, more or less. The intel report we requested after ghosts & whispers said they considered our political message "indious" and wanted "ambivalent isolationism". It seems like the Treaty of Celos should suit them fine and they aren't actually all that interested in conquering the entire Federation and needing to deal with hundreds of billions of former Federation citizen who they need to keep an eye on, even if that was easy to achieve. They would probably like to take over mining colonies and perhaps some planets with population numbers that are practical to relocate or use as slave labor, but I don't think that's something they would start a risky war over even if they thought they had a moderate advantage. Add to that that the Treaty of Celos doesn't cost them anything anymore at this point while it still restricts the Federation and I don't see why they wouldn't be willing to maintain the current status indefinitely.
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Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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I do wonder if the Treaty might get broken if we discover how badly the Cardassians are oppressing the Bajorans...
Edit: Not by Starfleet, but by the Council.
Edit: Not by Starfleet, but by the Council.
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The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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Name the third Ambassador T'Plana-Hath, after the Vulcan ship that made first contact with Earth.
That makes sense, except....
But hey, that was the bitter feelings of some Cardassian ambassadors in the immediate aftermath. It's possible that after they got home cooler heads had a chance to think and decide that the Treaty of Celos status quo isn't so bad.
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Well, yes, they still hate us, but you generally don't start wars just because you hate the other side. And there isn't really anything for them to "keep to" anymore. The Syndicate is gone as anything near a state level entity, borders outside the GBZ are mostly settled and we aren't doing much exploration in the same areas anymore so there aren't many occasions where they have to restrain themselves from shooting at us, judging from the GBZ they don't really have any great need to shoot at us anyway, and they don't have to spend effort holding the Sydraxians back from conducting a war with us outside the GBZ anymore either.
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Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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For some reason, I'm now picturing the Federation as Plutia. Fluffy, sleepy, want's friends to
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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In honor of the Gaini joining the Federation
[jk][NAME1] Reed Richards
[jk][NAME2] Victor von Doom
[jk][NAME1] Reed Richards
[jk][NAME2] Victor von Doom
We have to provide berths for them.
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The big problem is that this entails admitting to themselves that they're not going to be able to conquer us... not an easy thing for Cardassians to accept.
Especially if the speculation is correct about Cardassian culture, dominance games, and "at your throat or at your feet" behavior.
I think that the level of Star Trek technology makes such total war scenarios a bit more unlikely since by doing so you only encourage the the enemy to resort to ever more drastic and desperate measures which I personally think are almost impossible to defend against. For example if the Orion Syndicate was able to smuggle anti-matter bombs on a major Federation world I would suspect that that the Obsidian Order (Or Federation secret service for that matter) is easily able to copy that feat (and if they decide to go for a shuttle sized bomb the devastation should be far more massive...) and that is one of the more harmless scenarios I can come up with. (Inhabited) planets are terribly vulnerable targets in a universe of Star Trek level technology and (relatively) small scale.
That said as far as I understand it Star Trek has its fair share of massive conflicts and conquest so if you (and the GM) tend to favour that part of cannon more I might well be completely wrong.
There might be inertia in the military establishment that could trigger things even if there isn't really reason to fight. Past humiliations, proving themselves over us, etc
The military needs to be a major political factor that can dictate policy in that case. Which, admittedly, might be a thing in the Cardassian Union. It's certainly something you are likely to see in military dictatorships.
The logisitcs ships are free, so long as we don't build enough to have to start paying pp, because the logistics command, who have a separate budget, is paying for them. We're just allocating the berths for their use. The pp cost of extra ships would likely be us convincing the council to temporarily drop more resources on the logistics command, like a low level cross-departmental version of asking for an Excelsior's worth of resources.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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The Cardassian military is their political leadership. Well them and the Obsidian Order, but they aren't much better.
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The Cardassian government has civilian leadership, the Detapa Council, and military leadership, the Central Command. While the Council has very limited actual power over Central Command, it does have a lot of influence; if I remember rightly, it was the Council that got the Cardassian military to abandon the occupation of Bajor 'voluntarily.'
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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I always figured that they only had influence in the show because of the military's lack of success in the Fed-Cardie war. But I guess it could go either way. Wouldn't surprise me if the civilian government was largely made up of ex-military anyways, given how much esteem the Cardassians have for their soldiers.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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Definitely. Sadly, there is obviously lack of choices from the other races unless we just start making shit up.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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We've made up quite a few explorer names and had fun with them. I see no reason to stop.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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There comes a point in which you have to get ridiculous.How about the USS Make Shit Up.rofl:
Because of this point, I nominate the following:
USS Forgotten Paperwork
USS Make A Good Fist
USS Practice Makes Perfect
USS A Good Old College Try
USS Evil Shapshifter
Bonus points if it can camouflage itself with holograms.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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There's also a time you have to get serious. I could get behind Bungie-esque naming schemes.
Just been reading the 'canon' (because it is all put together guess work from snippets in DS9 and Voyager) Federation/Cardassia War.
23 years from the first attack by Cardassia on a Federation civilian colony (they claimed it was a staging ground for a Starfleet attack on Cardassia) until the Armistice was finally signed.
Both sides had M-class colonies abutting prior to hostilities firing off - we have mining colonies adjacent in the GBZ...
Long term infiltrators used by Cardassia replacing Starfleet Officers.
23 years from the first attack by Cardassia on a Federation civilian colony (they claimed it was a staging ground for a Starfleet attack on Cardassia) until the Armistice was finally signed.
Both sides had M-class colonies abutting prior to hostilities firing off - we have mining colonies adjacent in the GBZ...
Long term infiltrators used by Cardassia replacing Starfleet Officers.