I don't know what you're talking about.
Still think this is pretty awful advice to give, but it probably won't make any difference. I guess we can give bad advice once in a while if it ends up not mattering.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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I don't know what you're talking about.
Still think this is pretty awful advice to give, but it probably won't make any difference. I guess we can give bad advice once in a while if it ends up not mattering.
AKuz
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On the other hand we shouldn't feel scared to walk around our own back yard.
We shouldn't let a small fear prevent us from persuading the morally correct path.
Abd If you are truely worried about undisciplined Member fleets... vote for an all Starfleet deployment. Simple.
Its fine advice. We can and do operate ships and fleets in unclaimed space regularly as standard policy. Furthermore, the Dawiar aren't the ones who determine whether this species gets our protection or not - that is determined by our principles and our reach, not by them. Lastly, the Dawiar have in almost all cases, including when they triggered the war with the Cats, at least tried to talk first - I think first contact was the only exception. They specifically went to challenge the Cardassians for an answer as to why they were maneuvering fleets in Ghosts and Whispers, for example.
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So who decides on the uplift program for our neighbourly prewarps?
If we are going to be sticking around helping them for the next few decades and it's on our border near a cardasian affiliate, we could really help ourselves out by building an outpost or a starbase or both. After the Septs are gone we will still have something to help tie down the border AND to base the uplift program from. And in the short term the additional Defence means less ships pulled from critical sectors.
If we are going to be sticking around helping them for the next few decades and it's on our border near a cardasian affiliate, we could really help ourselves out by building an outpost or a starbase or both. After the Septs are gone we will still have something to help tie down the border AND to base the uplift program from. And in the short term the additional Defence means less ships pulled from critical sectors.
The... fact there was an explicit warning beside the peacekeeper option saying to oppose it to the bitter end would possibly lead to resignation?
Uplifts are something the Federation does not like to do. Too much chance of skewing relationships due to the technological disparity, and the swift technological progress often outstrips the advancement of wisdom.
That said, this is an early space age people. They should be more robust.
Which, notably, was also available with the same wording for the cargo deal.
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More importantly in this case, the Hishmeri have already contacted them. The damage may have already been done, depending on how things went down.
There's also the question of whether the Adaami have a planetary government, and how popular that government is. That, more than anything else, is probably the most important factor to consider when it comes to the prime directive.
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Damage has been done. The question is what can the Federation do to limit the damage and make repairs if possible. This may include an uplift, but does not necessarily.
AKuz
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IIRC during the first contract they tried a show of non violent force by passing close to Sarek.... then slammed into her shields and then backed off going "FUCK. THEY SHOT US WITH SOME OF SPESSWALL WEAPON. RETURN FIRE" to which T'lorel just sort of sat there and took it because the Salwar were zero threat to Sarek. This gave us a chance to start over.
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AKuz
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Honestly. Our relationship with the Daiwar follows a pattern of them misinterpreting us, shooting at us for a bit, then finally coming to a peaceful agreement once we've demonstrated patience and a desire to try again.
I hope someday we can skip the "Shooting at us bit" and go straight to "Peacefull agreement" all the time.
I hope someday we can skip the "Shooting at us bit" and go straight to "Peacefull agreement" all the time.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
AKuz
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"We had to peacefully negotiate with the village to save it"
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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Also us misinterpreting them, shooting at them for a while and them being patient enough to realize it was a misunderstanding. If the Caitians hadn't jumped the gun the war would never have happened because the diplomats would have realized it was a miscommunication within a few days.
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
Winged One
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Here's hoping that explicitly leaving the fleet draw decision to President Kitty doesn't lead to anything stupid.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
AKuz
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When I say "Us" I mean Starfleet. The Caitians weren't even members yet.
lbmaian
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Man you've been a lot more bitter recently...
I'd prefer just communicating that we will try protecting them in the future but won't have official diplomacy until they have warp technology. Which shouldn't take them too long in achieving now that they are very aware that FTL is possible.
What does peacekeeper option have to do with this conversation? I'm talking about opposition to protecting this pre-warp civilization.
I usually argue to the bitter end when I don't like a vote up until the tally is closed, then shrug and immediately put it behind me.
Though I admit, the flood of negativity over those Politics posts made me kind of grouchy.
Thors_Alumni
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Did Oneiros say why he removed the threadmarks?
lbmaian
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Anyway, the leading votes are fine with me. I don't think the Dawiar issue is going to make a huge difference, and it's probably out of our hands anyway - now that we've stated the Starfleet and member fleets can marshal the necessary forces, it's now a matter for the FDS and Council to determine whether to intervene.
Here's my take, adding a comment on our GBZ forces, and removing the redundant "Feasibility of protecting the Ataami".
[X][ADVICE] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations:
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. In particular, reducing GBZ forces below 75C is inadvisable, as those forces are our primary Cardassian deterrent. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets.
-[X] Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere.
-[X] Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
Here's my take, adding a comment on our GBZ forces, and removing the redundant "Feasibility of protecting the Ataami".
[X][ADVICE] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations:
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. In particular, reducing GBZ forces below 75C is inadvisable, as those forces are our primary Cardassian deterrent. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets.
-[X] Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere.
-[X] Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
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@Night_stalker , @tryrar , @Joshrand1982 ... At the moment, the thread is split between two versions of basically the same thing you voted for. The debate is over whether to say :
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
OR...
[][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
The first option (the one I voted for) says it would be best if we could get agreement from the Dawiar to operate this close to their space in defense of the pre-warp Ataami, against the Hishmeri by scaring the Hishmeri away.
The second option (the one I did not vote for) says it is necessary to get Dawiar agreement. That, to summarize, if we do not have their permission, we should not go and send a fleet at all.
I strongly disagree with the second option but am trying to be fair here, just to get your attention since you might want to cast potentially decisive votes between these two options.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
OR...
[][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
The first option (the one I voted for) says it would be best if we could get agreement from the Dawiar to operate this close to their space in defense of the pre-warp Ataami, against the Hishmeri by scaring the Hishmeri away.
The second option (the one I did not vote for) says it is necessary to get Dawiar agreement. That, to summarize, if we do not have their permission, we should not go and send a fleet at all.
I strongly disagree with the second option but am trying to be fair here, just to get your attention since you might want to cast potentially decisive votes between these two options.
KnightDisciple
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.